I'd like to turn that one upside down if I may.
In Eastern cultures, a valid religion is considered as scientifically verifiable with regard the specific changes in the person... and especially with regard to the direct experience of having a better life. The second may not sound like science, but to the person who has undergone the change, it becomes the absolute truth.
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Religion of scientist is science. They believe that the Earth and other planets were made by big bang and human came from apes. 
Science is the religion for people who don't believe God.
They are most people that depend on scientific proofs rather than putting faith to God.
They are most people that depend on scientific proofs rather than putting faith to God.
Correct, except for one major point. Scientific theory is something that is not know to be true. If it were known to be true, it would be science fact, not science theory. Yet, many scientists treat some of the science theory to be truth when nobody knows. So it is that nobody really knows that most of them depend on scientific proofs.
i do not think that science is a religion because science is always a subject or field that need to b explored. but science has its limitation and its rules but religion has also its rules but not like science and its also has limitation different from science. but in religion you have to believe in some aspects that have no explation we just have to admit them. but science wants every thing to explore.
Big Bang is so flawed and lacking that the whole universe would be mush if it had happened according to BB theory. Yet scientists want us to believe it is true. So they get the media to advertise that it is true when nobody knows that it is true, and that anyone can see that it is extremely lacking in explanation. Sounds a lot like a lot of religions.
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice
Did you notice who I was replying to? He barely understands when I speak his language.
Wait a sec -- a few posts ago you claim I speak english as a second language.
Here you claim that I barely understand when you speak my language, and yet you only ever post in English.
English can not be my second language and my first language at the same time.
This is a clearly self contradictory statement. It's the sort of error in logic that I'm often pointing out to you. If you want to be taken seriously, you should be more careful when posting.
See? This helps to prove that English is your second language. If you had understood English better, you would have understood the context in which I was using the words "understands" and "his language," and not even said what you said in your post.
So, what is my language then?
You finally got me. And the funny part is that you double-got me, because here I am answering you again, in English.
Science is the religion for people who don't believe God.
They are most people that depend on scientific proofs rather than putting faith to God.
They are most people that depend on scientific proofs rather than putting faith to God.
i do not think that science is a religion because science is always a subject or field that need to b explored. but science has its limitation and its rules but religion has also its rules but not like science and its also has limitation different from science. but in religion you have to believe in some aspects that have no explation we just have to admit them. but science wants every thing to explore.
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice
Did you notice who I was replying to? He barely understands when I speak his language.
Wait a sec -- a few posts ago you claim I speak english as a second language.
Here you claim that I barely understand when you speak my language, and yet you only ever post in English.
English can not be my second language and my first language at the same time.
This is a clearly self contradictory statement. It's the sort of error in logic that I'm often pointing out to you. If you want to be taken seriously, you should be more careful when posting.
See? This helps to prove that English is your second language. If you had understood English better, you would have understood the context in which I was using the words "understands" and "his language," and not even said what you said in your post.
So, what is my language then?
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice
Did you notice who I was replying to? He barely understands when I speak his language.
Wait a sec -- a few posts ago you claim I speak english as a second language.
Here you claim that I barely understand when you speak my language, and yet you only ever post in English.
English can not be my second language and my first language at the same time.
This is a clearly self contradictory statement. It's the sort of error in logic that I'm often pointing out to you. If you want to be taken seriously, you should be more careful when posting.
See? This helps to prove that English is your second language. If you had understood English better, you would have understood the context in which I was using the words "understands" and "his language," and not even said what you said in your post.
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice
Did you notice who I was replying to? He barely understands when I speak his language.
Wait a sec -- a few posts ago you claim I speak english as a second language.
Here you claim that I barely understand when you speak my language, and yet you only ever post in English.
English can not be my second language and my first language at the same time.
This is a clearly self contradictory statement. It's the sort of error in logic that I'm often pointing out to you. If you want to be taken seriously, you should be more careful when posting.
That still does not explain how something can make itself, inserting a "god" is even more ludicrous because there is no evidence for a god. It is more logical to conclude the universe has made itself and like us is alive, we and everything in it are expressions of the living whole. Like it we make ourselves (we evolve both physically and consciously) through our conscious choices that are influenced by our environment and those choices in turn influence our future.
This is why IMHO The most succinct definition is :-
This is why IMHO The most succinct definition is :-
Quote
Universe is the aggregate of all humanity's consciously apprehended and communicated non simultaneous and only partially overlapping experiences. - Buckminster Fuller
To say it simply, we don't really have a concept for how something can make itself if it can. Such a concept is not part of our universe. This doesn't mean that there is not something outside of the universe. All it means is that it would be so different that even the word "different" wouldn't apply.
Proof for God
Everything operates by the fundamental law of cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. This means that even your synapses in your brain fire because of things that made them fire. We don't have free will scientifically speaking. The thing that looks like free will is programming through cause and effect. This is scientific law.
Complexity is worldwide. All the scientists, and almost everyone else, know it. The things that we see about the rest of the universe show complexity as well. So far, the complexity is beyond our understanding. Whatever caused this complexity must have been more complex.
Entropy is universal. Entropy is scientific. This means that there must have been a beginning of everything. If there was no beginning, that is, if everything had always been, entropy suggests that everything would have dispersed and diffused long ago, so that there would be no complexity whatever.
In other words, Something caused a beginning time. That something caused all the complexity. That Something was far more complex than anything that we understand - consider how deeply complex cause and effect is and how it is withstanding entropy's dissolution. That Something fits our definition of "God."
We see no evidence in the universe of anything making itself without something else causing it.
There is no scientific evidence that we grow in any way without cause and effect making us grow the way we do. In other words, everything, even our maturing, and our intelligence, and our thinking, are all pre-programmed.
That's not a proof with any scientific evidence. That means it's not a scientific proof. In fact, in absence of any experimental evidence, it's just illogical armchair philosophy consisting of self contradictory statements and which redefines common terms while inventing others (eg your previously posted "Complex universe law").
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
So you're giving up on "scientific evidence" of god's existence, then?
I dont think we should relate everything with the religion. Science offer us reasoning, logic and facts where as religion offers none of these.
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
It's only natural when you see another human that needs help that instinct makes you try to reach out and help them. BADlogic doesn't want to be helped.
I know it's difficult, but please, just ignore this bumbling clown when he starts rambling on about freewill. He dishonestly takes every position in the argument so you have zero chance of winning. See here:
We don't even have free will.
Even the giving of free will to mankind...
We MAY have free will
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice
Did you notice who I was replying to? He barely understands when I speak his language. Let's take this a step at a time, so that he (and you, too?) can understand.
You feel that you can make choices. Sometimes you do make choices. The fact that those choices are programmed into the universe for you, doesn't detract from the fact that you feel that you make choices. Choose God, and the choice will have been programmed into the universe for you.
Your god is a very poor programmer and cant seem to make up his/her mind let alone ours, your "god" clearly is not capable of tying its shoelaces let alone creating the universe. If "god" wanted us to believe in it it would simply be so, if it wants us to choose the choice is ours, If it wants to create the illusion of choice its a very deceptive and scammy god, definitely not worth following.
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice
Did you notice who I was replying to? He barely understands when I speak his language. Let's take this a step at a time, so that he (and you, too?) can understand.
You feel that you can make choices. Sometimes you do make choices. The fact that those choices are programmed into the universe for you, doesn't detract from the fact that you feel that you make choices. Choose God, and the choice will have been programmed into the universe for you.
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
You have just been arguing that there there is no such thing as free will/choice
That still does not explain how something can make itself, inserting a "god" is even more ludicrous because there is no evidence for a god. It is more logical to conclude the universe has made itself and like us is alive, we and everything in it are expressions of the living whole. Like it we make ourselves (we evolve both physically and consciously) through our conscious choices that are influenced by our environment and those choices in turn influence our future.
This is why IMHO The most succinct definition is :-
This is why IMHO The most succinct definition is :-
Quote
Universe is the aggregate of all humanity's consciously apprehended and communicated non simultaneous and only partially overlapping experiences. - Buckminster Fuller
To say it simply, we don't really have a concept for how something can make itself if it can. Such a concept is not part of our universe. This doesn't mean that there is not something outside of the universe. All it means is that it would be so different that even the word "different" wouldn't apply.
Proof for God
Everything operates by the fundamental law of cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. This means that even your synapses in your brain fire because of things that made them fire. We don't have free will scientifically speaking. The thing that looks like free will is programming through cause and effect. This is scientific law.
Complexity is worldwide. All the scientists, and almost everyone else, know it. The things that we see about the rest of the universe show complexity as well. So far, the complexity is beyond our understanding. Whatever caused this complexity must have been more complex.
Entropy is universal. Entropy is scientific. This means that there must have been a beginning of everything. If there was no beginning, that is, if everything had always been, entropy suggests that everything would have dispersed and diffused long ago, so that there would be no complexity whatever.
In other words, Something caused a beginning time. That something caused all the complexity. That Something was far more complex than anything that we understand - consider how deeply complex cause and effect is and how it is withstanding entropy's dissolution. That Something fits our definition of "God."
We see no evidence in the universe of anything making itself without something else causing it.
There is no scientific evidence that we grow in any way without cause and effect making us grow the way we do. In other words, everything, even our maturing, and our intelligence, and our thinking, are all pre-programmed.
That's not a proof with any scientific evidence. That means it's not a scientific proof. In fact, in absence of any experimental evidence, it's just illogical armchair philosophy consisting of self contradictory statements and which redefines common terms while inventing others (eg your previously posted "Complex universe law").
Do you see how blessed you are? Neither God, nor even I, am forcing you to see the evidence and proof so that you just have to believe.
The thing that we are doing is giving and showing you all kinds of places you can go to, and all kinds of topics that you can search on, so that you can see the evidence and proof for your self.
The choice is yours for now. However, at the judgment you will no longer have a choice regarding realizing that God exists. You will be forced to understand that God exists. You will be forced by the strength of Spirit that God is, to face Him Spirit to spirit. At that time there will be no doubt on your part. As you do not believe in Him now, so you will not believe in Him then. You will know.
Words are reasonably easy for both of us in this life. So, they don't mean much. At the time of the resurrection and the final judgment, you will remember how I warned you.
That still does not explain how something can make itself, inserting a "god" is even more ludicrous because there is no evidence for a god. It is more logical to conclude the universe has made itself and like us is alive, we and everything in it are expressions of the living whole. Like it we make ourselves (we evolve both physically and consciously) through our conscious choices that are influenced by our environment and those choices in turn influence our future.
This is why IMHO The most succinct definition is :-
This is why IMHO The most succinct definition is :-
Quote
Universe is the aggregate of all humanity's consciously apprehended and communicated non simultaneous and only partially overlapping experiences. - Buckminster Fuller
To say it simply, we don't really have a concept for how something can make itself if it can. Such a concept is not part of our universe. This doesn't mean that there is not something outside of the universe. All it means is that it would be so different that even the word "different" wouldn't apply.
Proof for God
Everything operates by the fundamental law of cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. This means that even your synapses in your brain fire because of things that made them fire. We don't have free will scientifically speaking. The thing that looks like free will is programming through cause and effect. This is scientific law.
Complexity is worldwide. All the scientists, and almost everyone else, know it. The things that we see about the rest of the universe show complexity as well. So far, the complexity is beyond our understanding. Whatever caused this complexity must have been more complex.
Entropy is universal. Entropy is scientific. This means that there must have been a beginning of everything. If there was no beginning, that is, if everything had always been, entropy suggests that everything would have dispersed and diffused long ago, so that there would be no complexity whatever.
In other words, Something caused a beginning time. That something caused all the complexity. That Something was far more complex than anything that we understand - consider how deeply complex cause and effect is and how it is withstanding entropy's dissolution. That Something fits our definition of "God."
We see no evidence in the universe of anything making itself without something else causing it.
There is no scientific evidence that we grow in any way without cause and effect making us grow the way we do. In other words, everything, even our maturing, and our intelligence, and our thinking, are all pre-programmed.
That's not a proof with any scientific evidence. That means it's not a scientific proof. In fact, in absence of any experimental evidence, it's just illogical armchair philosophy consisting of self contradictory statements and which redefines common terms while inventing others (eg your previously posted "Complex universe law").
If the universe is infinite, is cause and effect not random?
Why wouldn't there be an infinity of cause and effect? After all, that is the only thing that we have found so far. Cause and effect seems to be penetrating throughout the whole earth and the few things that we can view in the cosmos. We have not found any pure random for a fact.Single sex species are an evolutionary expression.
Is there such a thing as a single sex species outside of a few microbes? You don't see any single-sex jiggle hogs in the grasslands, or bangle bears in the woods, or bimble birds flying around in the skies. They are all male and female. If evolution existed, there would be some of these single sex "things" right in the back yard.Why would nature stick to double sex? It is inefficient and illogical.
Why should god be separate from the universe?
We have found nothing that makes itself. Entropy shows us that the universe had a beginning. Before there was the universe, there was the Thing that made (created) it. God had to be outside of the universe to have made it... to have given it a beginning.
Let's say you build a garage. Before you build it, there is no garage, right? Then you build the garage. While you are building it, you are inside of it part of the time to build it. You are outside of it part of the time to build it. Once it is finished, you can walk inside or outside of it... provided you left a door for yourself, that is.
Same said for God in the universe. We don't have evidence of it being any other way.
If the universe is infinite, is cause and effect not random?
Single sex species are an evolutionary expression.
Why should god be separate from the universe?
Single sex species are an evolutionary expression.
Why should god be separate from the universe?
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