Is stealing Bitcoin illegal? - page 6.

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Quote from: ObscureBean on October 17, 2016, 01:33:12 AM

Quote from: Fatamorgana on October 16, 2016, 10:11:23 AM

I never exactly understood how people justify stealing. Its really sad, its become part of American culture from politics to your everyday craigslist scammer. Its ridiculous.

What about if you come across a wad of 100 dollar bills by the side of the road and nobody's there to see you pick it up? Grin

Technically that would be stealing wouldn't it? Are you gonna tell me that you would try to find the owner and return it? Would you really put yourself through the hassle, not to mention that you'd probably get a 100 people claiming they're the owner. No way you could be sure you've returned to its rightful owner. There you go, I've justified stealing for you Grin

Well, the "right" thing to do here is surrender the money to the authorities or to a tv or radio station and have them look for the rightful owner. But as you say, for some (or most) it would be too much of a hassle to do such things when the easier thing to do is just put it in your pocket.

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Quote from: bitbunnny on October 17, 2016, 01:16:15 AM

Stealing is always stealing, so yes, it's illegal. If you have posed different question, like is it illegal to.keep the coins that ended up in your wallet accidentaly then maybe we could argue about it. And it's not just question of illegal or not but also question of morality.

Illegal in other things where law has existed but with bitcoin it cannot be legally considered as property and as an asset so you cannot call it illegal, the act alone is illegal but when it comes to bitcoin it is a different story and needs a proper rebuttal on the laws.

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Quote from: Fatamorgana on October 16, 2016, 10:11:23 AM

I never exactly understood how people justify stealing. Its really sad, its become part of American culture from politics to your everyday craigslist scammer. Its ridiculous.

What about if you come across a wad of 100 dollar bills by the side of the road and nobody's there to see you pick it up? Grin

Technically that would be stealing wouldn't it? Are you gonna tell me that you would try to find the owner and return it? Would you really put yourself through the hassle, not to mention that you'd probably get a 100 people claiming they're the owner. No way you could be sure you've returned to its rightful owner. There you go, I've justified stealing for you Grin

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Stealing is always stealing, so yes, it's illegal. If you have posed different question, like is it illegal to.keep the coins that ended up in your wallet accidentaly then maybe we could argue about it. And it's not just question of illegal or not but also question of morality.

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Quote from: hua_hui on October 16, 2016, 09:36:01 PM

Depend on how you steal the bitcoin, it may be legal and illegal. For example, if a person withdraw money from ATM and leave the bag at one corner, you go and take it up and later the two of you get into disputed over the ownership of the bag. The law may rule the later as the owner as there is no proof that either one own the money. This has happen before in my country.

Well, if you do not know that inside that bag you will be in trouble of not getting the right justice, what will happen is that when you will complain to the authorities, they will investigate both of you and no way you cannot justify yourself to prove your ownership, this is not a good example IMO as there is no challenge at all.

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Quote from: hua_hui on October 16, 2016, 09:36:01 PM

Depend on how you steal the bitcoin, it may be legal and illegal. For example, if a person withdraw money from ATM and leave the bag at one corner, you go and take it up and later the two of you get into disputed over the ownership of the bag. The law may rule the later as the owner as there is no proof that either one own the money. This has happen before in my country.

It's not that he 'legally' stole the item. It's just that CCTV doesn't exist in your country and the people are so foolish to the extent that since there's no 'proof' at hand, the latter is the owner. A simple identity card would've put the guy on jail for stealing the owner's bag but let's assume that the thief has removed all of those. Then maybe just a single eye witness would've helped. I don't understand how did that happen to your country, honestly.

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Depend on how you steal the bitcoin, it may be legal and illegal. For example, if a person withdraw money from ATM and leave the bag at one corner, you go and take it up and later the two of you get into disputed over the ownership of the bag. The law may rule the later as the owner as there is no proof that either one own the money. This has happen before in my country.

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Quote from: Alanay on July 16, 2016, 05:32:05 PM

Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

P.S.
you would not generate a new address for yourself that is already in existence, plus you would need the 2nd miracle of figuring out the key AND if you could do that 2nd thing...
There are plenty of wallet addresses to perform that one on: pick a loaded one, and go on with your bad self ;-)

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Quote from: Reid on October 16, 2016, 01:40:58 AM

The answer is so obvious here. Of course it is illegal. It is stealing, if this happen to you then you will see it at my own perspective. There is no legal stealing. Even Robin Hood is wrong in what he did.

yeah you are right that its illegal to steal bitcoin from other and i think everything stealing is illegal and bitcoin is a type of currency so we can can not steal it from other person and they can be punished if someone steal it from other.

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As described by most users, whether it is bitcoin or something else, stealing is always not legal as well can't justify when you take it without the owners permission. Users who tried to justify realize only when they belongings' gets stolen.

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I never exactly understood how people justify stealing. Its really sad, its become part of American culture from politics to your everyday craigslist scammer. Its ridiculous.

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the situation you had mentioned is legal to get and use bitcoin received from randomly generated bitcoin address. but if you generate and use already existing bitcoin address then it's crime in my point of view.

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If seomeone stole your bitcoins, would you be mad? If you thought this question before you created this thread you would have found the answer by yourself.

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Quote from: Dr.Osh on October 16, 2016, 06:02:54 AM

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Quote from: Kalder699 on October 15, 2016, 08:54:59 PM

There is just one thing i can say.Anything that does not belong to you that you take away is considered as stealing wether it is physical or virtual

Yes but what more important is it is all about business matter. Stealing in the sense of making wise by someone like winning in the gambling, profiting in investing and trading off good in trading makes good way of stealing. But when you say hacking or fooling someone it is not acceptable it is bad stealing. Therefore there is two way of stealing.

I agree, take away something doesn't belong to you is stealing, an illegal activity and could get you into the jail. You should consider about being a victim of bitcoin stolen before want to take other people has.

It could be a sin but not illegal, when we say of illegal there should be a basis. The point here is we are talking the law aspect when bitcoin was not regulated by law and is not recognize as a currency or asset, that is my point and every lawyer who will read this will agree with me.

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In your situation it's not illegal to get bitcoin in randomly generated bitcoin address. But generating an existing address and getting bitcoin from the old address is illegal cause the address already have owner and v you have no right to take others bitcoin.

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Quote from: Prettygirl01315 on October 15, 2016, 09:23:09 PM

Quote from: Kalder699 on October 15, 2016, 08:54:59 PM

There is just one thing i can say.Anything that does not belong to you that you take away is considered as stealing wether it is physical or virtual

Yes but what more important is it is all about business matter. Stealing in the sense of making wise by someone like winning in the gambling, profiting in investing and trading off good in trading makes good way of stealing. But when you say hacking or fooling someone it is not acceptable it is bad stealing. Therefore there is two way of stealing.

I agree, take away something doesn't belong to you is stealing, an illegal activity and could get you into the jail. You should consider about being a victim of bitcoin stolen before want to take other people has.

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no, if you get bitcoin in that sense then it's ok to take those bitcoin. because it's not your mistake to get those bitcoin. you got by luck and obviously you can take it. i think your title is not correct. because it's not stealing but it getting bitcoin by luck.

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Quote from: Reid on October 16, 2016, 01:40:58 AM

The answer is so obvious here. Of course it is illegal. It is stealing, if this happen to you then you will see it at my own perspective. There is no legal stealing. Even Robin Hood is wrong in what he did.

Stealing is stealing no matter how big or small the amount is. You are right even robin hood did good deeds but still its considered stealing and its very illegal. In the case of OP he didnt intend to generate new address with a bitcoin on it but the have no choice at all but to get those bitcoin rather than to keep and lost.

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Not illegal, are Governments provide the legal aspects, the EU already did that! Wink

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The answer is so obvious here. Of course it is illegal. It is stealing, if this happen to you then you will see it at my own perspective. There is no legal stealing. Even Robin Hood is wrong in what he did.

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