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legendary
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October 08, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
Not at all. You are just co-owner of the private key of that address and hence also co-owner of the funds sitting in that address.
hero member
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October 08, 2016, 12:13:13 PM
Everyone knows, steeling is an illegal act. In this case, you're not stealing others bitcoin by using some illegal activity like hacking. Its just a flaw in bitcoin, still maths overrides this flaw.
full member
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October 08, 2016, 11:20:43 AM
I think it is legal. because it was not deliberate. that is the weakness of bitcoin. it is hard to see who the sender bitcoin.

Stealing is not legal but in the case of op that he just receive the bitcoins by accident then that is going to be legal and it is the senders negligence that he had sent it to op's address by mistake. But if you intend to steal someones bitcoin with bad intention then that is going to be an illegal act and if there is a law about cyber crime maybe you can be charged.
Stealing is an illegal act yes. One works hard and earns the bitcoins, but the other takes away from him/her by any source available, either physically or online. Really unbearable dude. This is not a good act. Stealing of anything is illegal. It can be any currency or any valued item. Lets not encourage this using any source. 
legendary
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October 07, 2016, 11:56:38 AM

that is to say in the case of OP, I think there is no act of stealing, though he got it because of a bug, and it certainly was not intentional. I think it was lucky he got bitcoin for free. because in this case, we will hardly find its owner.

just left the bitcoin there, create another key and that's it, you don't need to find the owner to say anything... that's it.
or well, YOLO, spend all and gg.

Since it was there without OP doing something fishy, OP has the possession of the coins now and coins can be used on whatever things OP wants.

But anyways like OP said, that kind of scenario really has low odds to happened.
legendary
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October 07, 2016, 11:41:01 AM
I think it is legal. because it was not deliberate. that is the weakness of bitcoin. it is hard to see who the sender bitcoin.
hero member
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October 07, 2016, 11:28:49 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

stealing is stealing

no matter what

you need to work hard and harder to reap what you want to earn. don't make any cheating, because cheater never wins

Exactly: stealing is stealing.
At least in my country. I think it somehow depends on the definition that's written in the law, so I can only say what is the fact in my country.
And here the law says that if you take something from somebody against his will away in order to keep it, it's thef and therefore illegal.
No matter if the other person had the right to have the thing or not.
So no matter if bitcoins are declared to be illegal or not, stealing them still is illegal.
legendary
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October 07, 2016, 09:41:03 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

stealing is stealing

no matter what

you need to work hard and harder to reap what you want to earn. don't make any cheating, because cheater never wins

It is really wrong to take what is not yours in the law of GOD everything that you take that is not yours is wrong in the eyes of our lord but in the nature of human beings this is just a mere coincidence of finders keepers act! that means if a person would see something then take it and nobody is claiming it then it is not wrong to them, but in the bible if you take something that is not yours then there is a guilt in your heart you will need to give a guilt offering to the Lord!
sr. member
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October 07, 2016, 09:13:25 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.

stealing is stealing

no matter what

you need to work hard and harder to reap what you want to earn. don't make any cheating, because cheater never wins
hero member
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October 07, 2016, 09:10:52 AM
I dont think you can get caucht by stealing bitcoins do you know why because bitcoins are not from you they are from everyone who has bitcoins because they are not on your name.

If you use the stolen bitcoin and people can link the spending with you, then you will be caught. It is better to mix it.
Its much more better if you will back than stolen bitcoin from the people who you stole because spending that bitcoin without any permission of the owner is a sin and if they caught you maybe the trust that you both build will be destroy it is much better if you don't do it for the sake of friendship Tongue
hero member
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October 07, 2016, 08:30:21 AM
The only thing I can say about your question op is that stealing bitcoin is always illegal and never will be legal but if by some miracle you happen to generate a new address that belongs to somebody else and has a lot of bitcoin, it ain't your fault and it will be a legal reason. The one in fault if that happens is the system of bitcoin, thus will make it semi legal for you but if you happen to come across one, I only suggest that you leave it that way since maybe those bitcoins are hard earned ones.  Smiley
sr. member
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October 07, 2016, 08:20:03 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.

You are taking advantage from a bug, obviously it's not the right thing, it's not your money!
It's like someone drop a real wallet on the floor and you take it.

Will one day this problem will be fixed? We never know.
Yes i can never be a good thing if you are taking some thing which does not belong to you.Yes it is stealing and stealing can never be a legal activity.
And with bitcoin having really a good value in the market,then stealing bitcoins is 100% an illegal activity,no matter how you doing it.
that is to say in the case of OP, I think there is no act of stealing, though he got it because of a bug, and it certainly was not intentional. I think it was lucky he got bitcoin for free. because in this case, we will hardly find its owner.
How could the new address be repeated? Bitcoin code allows this?
sr. member
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October 07, 2016, 08:11:25 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.

You are taking advantage from a bug, obviously it's not the right thing, it's not your money!
It's like someone drop a real wallet on the floor and you take it.

Will one day this problem will be fixed? We never know.
Yes i can never be a good thing if you are taking some thing which does not belong to you.Yes it is stealing and stealing can never be a legal activity.
And with bitcoin having really a good value in the market,then stealing bitcoins is 100% an illegal activity,no matter how you doing it.
that is to say in the case of OP, I think there is no act of stealing, though he got it because of a bug, and it certainly was not intentional. I think it was lucky he got bitcoin for free. because in this case, we will hardly find its owner.

just left the bitcoin there, create another key and that's it, you don't need to find the owner to say anything... that's it.
or well, YOLO, spend all and gg.
legendary
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October 07, 2016, 08:07:14 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.

You are taking advantage from a bug, obviously it's not the right thing, it's not your money!
It's like someone drop a real wallet on the floor and you take it.

Will one day this problem will be fixed? We never know.
Yes i can never be a good thing if you are taking some thing which does not belong to you.Yes it is stealing and stealing can never be a legal activity.
And with bitcoin having really a good value in the market,then stealing bitcoins is 100% an illegal activity,no matter how you doing it.
that is to say in the case of OP, I think there is no act of stealing, though he got it because of a bug, and it certainly was not intentional. I think it was lucky he got bitcoin for free. because in this case, we will hardly find its owner.
sr. member
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October 07, 2016, 07:38:29 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.

You are taking advantage from a bug, obviously it's not the right thing, it's not your money!
It's like someone drop a real wallet on the floor and you take it.

Will one day this problem will be fixed? We never know.
Yes i can never be a good thing if you are taking some thing which does not belong to you.Yes it is stealing and stealing can never be a legal activity.
And with bitcoin having really a good value in the market,then stealing bitcoins is 100% an illegal activity,no matter how you doing it.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
October 07, 2016, 07:23:26 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.

You are taking advantage from a bug, obviously it's not the right thing, it's not your money!
It's like someone drop a real wallet on the floor and you take it.

Will one day this problem will be fixed? We never know.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1011
October 07, 2016, 07:19:01 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.

my thoughts too , and its hard to locate and know where it came from or who is the real owner of btc.

No, it is still stealing. The question is not who is the owner of the address, but who is the owner of the BTC. As many, many people have already said, the BTC was put into that address  by someone and that person is the owner until they decide to transfer the funds to someone else either by sending them on or transferring ownership of the address containing them.

All of you crooks who think otherwise, the same thing could be said of a house, car etc. If I go to the locksmith and have him make some random keys, and I try them on some random cars and houses and one of them matches (which has a lot better odds than the bitcoin example btw), does that make me the owner of said car/house? No, of course not. You may own the key but not to the contents or object it unlocks.
hero member
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October 07, 2016, 05:31:15 AM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.

my thoughts too , and its hard to locate and know where it came from or who is the real owner of btc.
legendary
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October 06, 2016, 01:48:39 PM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.
Yeah its just a system fault and we can not consider it as stealing.. you are lucky if you had them.. but i think its impossible to happen i never heard it here before maybe they are receive some bitcoins from  unknown someone.
hero member
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October 06, 2016, 01:42:38 PM
Let's say I generate a new address and by some miracle it has Bitcoin already in it belonging to somebody else. Is it legal to just take it? I understand those odds are very low, no need to lecture me, I'm just interested.
well i wouldnt really consider it stealing, because you created your own address and someone just happened to use it before you. its a fault in the bitcoin system, not considered stealing imo.
legendary
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October 06, 2016, 01:40:43 PM
yes it is illigal but if you are not caught then i do not think anyone can find you atleast not from bitcoin directly. you can only be traced if you have done any mistakes or you forget to clear your footprints
Indirectly, you are supporting and suggesting how not to be caught. It is not fair. We need to feel our responsibility to return any accidentally received bitcoins. It must be one of basic human behavior, we need to teach that to our next generations so that they will have a clear crime free future for better peace of mind.
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