Is the government can really make a way to end poverty or it depends on us?

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Quote from: glendall on November 19, 2023, 08:29:06 AM

Actually, the fault is not 100% the government's fault, it all goes back to the people themselves, they are enthusiastic about changing their lives or just hope for help from the government to change their lives,
So if you want to get out of the poverty line, work harder and try to create jobs, so you can get out of the poverty zone.

I agree. Each person's awareness and responsibility is to strive to overcome poverty, that is the duty of every person. That should not be blamed 100% on the government. Even though they have problems of corruption, appropriation of people's property..., and that is also the fault of the government and also comes from people. 1/3 of the world's population is still in difficulty and poverty. That is the reality. The bad thing is that policies to solve poverty only achieve bad results, the gap between rich and poor increases.

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Quote from: siniminomorocomunisakito on November 19, 2023, 08:46:32 AM

I think that's the point "e also need to act on our own if we want to have a good life." Now. If the effect of dependence becomes greater, laziness will come and changes in fate will always take place.

On the other hand, the government, if there are people who want and have the intention to move forward, there will always be programs that will be launched in terms of development. but it's up to you if you want to take it or reject it,

Having a good life is everyone's desire, but if we expect it from other people, of course this will not be good for us and also very few people want to help us easily, so it would be better for us to try on our own to have a good life without relying on it with other people.
The government has indeed provided programs for people who want to develop themselves, but there are some people who make it difficult to get these programs, so there are some people who are lazy about choosing these programs.

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Quote from: glendall on November 19, 2023, 08:29:06 AM

Actually, the fault is not 100% the government's fault, it all goes back to the people themselves, they are enthusiastic about changing their lives or just hope for help from the government to change their lives,
So if you want to get out of the poverty line, work harder and try to create jobs, so you can get out of the poverty zone.

Yes, basically we should not depend on other people including help from the government, although yes there is some help from the government but it is very rare and maybe only at certain times. The rest of course is the problem of each individual, it makes no sense if they want to get out of the poverty zone but only rely or hope for help from others such as the government. Therefore yes as you said that the government will not be able to change your life 100% but maybe they can only help at certain times to give you help.

The point is not to put too much hope in the help of others, especially to change your life, it seems unreasonable. Of course, there is no other way unless you work harder or add more work to increase your income, that's the only way that makes sense and that can guarantee a change in your life. So try to think more realistically.

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Quote from: demonica on November 19, 2023, 07:42:18 AM

For me, ending poverty feels like it's close to being impossible. Cause having different social status balances the economy. Also aside from that, I've never heard of any country having no records of poverty so I feel there will always be included in this class. It will just depend on the population or the percentage of people in the lower class for every country. A good governance can reduce poverty in its nation but I kinda doubt that they can completely "end" it even if other rich people would help trying to resolve this long ongoing issue of poverty.

And for us individually, we can't fully rely on the government to help us get out of poverty. We also need to act on our own if we want to have a good life.

I think that's the point "e also need to act on our own if we want to have a good life." Now. If the effect of dependence becomes greater, laziness will come and changes in fate will always take place.

On the other hand, the government, if there are people who want and have the intention to move forward, there will always be programs that will be launched in terms of development. but it's up to you if you want to take it or reject it,

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Actually, the fault is not 100% the government's fault, it all goes back to the people themselves, they are enthusiastic about changing their lives or just hope for help from the government to change their lives,
So if you want to get out of the poverty line, work harder and try to create jobs, so you can get out of the poverty zone.

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For me, ending poverty feels like it's close to being impossible. Cause having different social status balances the economy. Also aside from that, I've never heard of any country having no records of poverty so I feel there will always be included in this class. It will just depend on the population or the percentage of people in the lower class for every country. A good governance can reduce poverty in its nation but I kinda doubt that they can completely "end" it even if other rich people would help trying to resolve this long ongoing issue of poverty.

And for us individually, we can't fully rely on the government to help us get out of poverty. We also need to act on our own if we want to have a good life.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on November 17, 2023, 07:39:58 AM

I agree with you, It's true that it's not a government responsibility for us to become successful in life and to end a poverty but they are the one who can do or implement such things just to help us to overcome the poverty in our society. I mean, we are the one who makes our future so better to work hard for ourself so we can achieve more and do not depend everything in the government.

The truth is poverty is natural and can not be completely get rid of, although, it can be reduced to barest minimum with certain actions of government and the individuals as well. Actually, the government can play a role in helping to alleviate poverty but individuals should also take responsibility for their own success. Of course, I know that not everyone has equal opportunities and there are systemic barriers that can make it difficult to break the cycle of poverty but it's also important to focus on what you can do to improve your own situation. However, whatever the case maybe, government has a greater role to play for the citizens. It's not possible to provide everyone with job but at least they can protect and make the environment convenient for them in order to succeed in whatever they choose to do.

We cannot separate the individual and the government in solving or reducing poverty. The government plays a very important role in this and the individual also has a role to play. The government must be able to provide facilities that will support its people, and the people must also work hard to use the facilities properly. They have policies, and those policies can be one way to encourage poverty to be reduced.
To blame each other in my opinion is not appropriate at all, because after all this will not be separated from both, both from the government and from the individual himself.

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Quote from: AnonBitCoiner on November 19, 2023, 03:49:05 AM

Depending for everything on government means that we are not able to take step for ourselves. All responsibilities should not be put on government because our financial systems are not in their hand. Every person will make their financial system better by themselves because if we set without doing nothing then we will become useless. If a person cannot earn for himself and for his family then I think keeping hope from government is also not better for him. Earning and completing our needs are just our job not of government. Government will just keep check on country's conditions now its up to us that we are willing to live a wealthy life or a life in which we are depended on government for everything.

I agree with you, we have full responsibility for our financial condition and we must be able to manage it well so that whatever income we have we can still meet our needs.
In my opinion, it would be better for us to work on our own to be able to meet the needs we need and do whatever work we can as long as we don't violate the rules in our place of residence.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on November 17, 2023, 07:39:58 AM

I agree with you, It's true that it's not a government responsibility for us to become successful in life and to end a poverty but they are the one who can do or implement such things just to help us to overcome the poverty in our society. I mean, we are the one who makes our future so better to work hard for ourself so we can achieve more and do not depend everything in the government.

Depending for everything on government means that we are not able to take step for ourselves. All responsibilities should not be put on government because our financial systems are not in their hand. Every person will make their financial system better by themselves because if we set without doing nothing then we will become useless. If a person cannot earn for himself and for his family then I think keeping hope from government is also not better for him. Earning and completing our needs are just our job not of government. Government will just keep check on country's conditions now its up to us that we are willing to live a wealthy life or a life in which we are depended on government for everything.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on November 17, 2023, 07:39:58 AM

I agree with you, It's true that it's not a government responsibility for us to become successful in life and to end a poverty but they are the one who can do or implement such things just to help us to overcome the poverty in our society. I mean, we are the one who makes our future so better to work hard for ourself so we can achieve more and do not depend everything in the government.

The truth is poverty is natural and can not be completely get rid of, although, it can be reduced to barest minimum with certain actions of government and the individuals as well. Actually, the government can play a role in helping to alleviate poverty but individuals should also take responsibility for their own success. Of course, I know that not everyone has equal opportunities and there are systemic barriers that can make it difficult to break the cycle of poverty but it's also important to focus on what you can do to improve your own situation. However, whatever the case maybe, government has a greater role to play for the citizens. It's not possible to provide everyone with job but at least they can protect and make the environment convenient for them in order to succeed in whatever they choose to do.

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Quote from: martinex on November 17, 2023, 10:55:49 PM

Everyone everywhere has a role in developing the country. It is true that along the way there will definitely be pros and cons to policies and programs aimed at reducing poverty from the government, but this is a common thing and most people will instead blame the government if the issue fails and does not go according to target. what have been tried as you said.

So, this is where the sense and awareness of individuals and society is important to work together to make it a success so that the problem is reduced to the bottom and does not become a new problem without a solution.

Yep, a single effort by the government alone will never succeed in eradicating poverty in a country unless the people of that country come forward. However, the government can take various steps in poverty alleviation such as new initiatives and programs where the public has to come forward to implement those programs and initiatives and fully support the government.

The government of a country can continue its efforts by implementing various initiatives such as financial assistance, food assistance, construction of roads, infrastructure facilities. However, with this effort of the government, the common people must have to support. They have to be supported by the people of the country in various steps of the government.

Everyone should come from the individual level and not just wait for government help. If these types of work can be done properly by both the government and the people, then it will be easy to eradicate this poverty.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on November 17, 2023, 07:39:58 AM

Quote from: Ludmilla_rose1995 on November 17, 2023, 07:02:11 AM

only we are fully responsible for our lives, I will never depend my life on the government, it's better for me to work hard myself so that my future is better than now, the government is just administration, they are not a group of people who can make a lot jobs, especially if they fail to attract investors for investment. let's fight for our own lives, the government only cares about their own stomachs.

I agree with you, It's true that it's not a government responsibility for us to become successful in life and to end a poverty but they are the one who can do or implement such things just to help us to overcome the poverty in our society. I mean, we are the one who makes our future so better to work hard for ourself so we can achieve more and do not depend everything in the government.

The government is only limited to helping reduce poverty by creating jobs, stabilizing the purchase value of basic necessities so that it matches the salaries received by people at the end of each month. However, the government's role will not be effective if the person concerned does not try to change his life for the better.
Our future is in our hands, everyone has a responsibility towards a better future. Relying on the government is just a waste of time, without efforts to change lives for the better, the role of government will not function for a long time.

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Everyone everywhere has a role in developing the country. It is true that along the way there will definitely be pros and cons to policies and programs aimed at reducing poverty from the government, but this is a common thing and most people will instead blame the government if the issue fails and does not go according to target. what have been tried as you said.

So, this is where the sense and awareness of individuals and society is important to work together to make it a success so that the problem is reduced to the bottom and does not become a new problem without a solution.

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Quote from: barisbilgili on November 16, 2023, 10:59:11 PM

Quote from: CageMabok on November 16, 2023, 10:06:44 AM

A more appropriate step to overcome this is to work in a job sector that can bring in more income. For example, businesses at the medium and small levels must also have sources of income from two different directions even though they have to do two jobs that are not the same. Because as long as this work can help us overcome poverty slowly, I think it is very good to do it without having to join the government system with a monthly salary through certain agencies.

It is everyone's responsibility to be able to earn income to meet the needs they need because if we expect the government to be able to overcome poverty, that is wrong in my opinion, because it is important for us to have several sources of income to be able to meet our own needs, I agree not to hope for a job with the government because the salary we get from the government is very small and cannot necessarily meet our needs for a month and if we can work and earn our own income it will certainly be more satisfying.

You're actually right cause I see no reason waiting for the government to increase workers salaries, some leaders are very selfish and they will not care about the masses neither will they pay attention. I see no need protesting. But despite the hard work and everything a poor economy will still be attributed to bad government and poor leadership. Nowadays salary earners no longer live fine due to the price of things the inflation and other things, even business people are also complaining the price of food in the market, people who engage themselves in different kinds of work will still complain cause after working so hard you find yourself spending money on low value things with high price. my concern is not about the work or the job my major concern is the inflation, even if most people can work hard to fit this standard of living, not everyone can do so for example the pensioners, and government should be blamed for the poor economy and inflation.

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Quote from: Ludmilla_rose1995 on November 17, 2023, 07:02:11 AM

Quote from: rhodelmabanal on March 23, 2023, 07:47:42 AM

In my country i observed so many people doing rally and blame the government why the basic needs price rise and the salary is still very low and not enough for daily expenses, is this the effect of the Ukraine and russia war that makes the gas or crude oil so high at price and they pass the gas expenses to the product and it ends to very high price of the basic needs that make us very poor, I see government has a move to resolve the problem but many people are still blaming the government.

only we are fully responsible for our lives, I will never depend my life on the government, it's better for me to work hard myself so that my future is better than now, the government is just administration, they are not a group of people who can make a lot jobs, especially if they fail to attract investors for investment. let's fight for our own lives, the government only cares about their own stomachs.

I agree with you, It's true that it's not a government responsibility for us to become successful in life and to end a poverty but they are the one who can do or implement such things just to help us to overcome the poverty in our society. I mean, we are the one who makes our future so better to work hard for ourself so we can achieve more and do not depend everything in the government.

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Quote from: rhodelmabanal on March 23, 2023, 07:47:42 AM

In my country i observed so many people doing rally and blame the government why the basic needs price rise and the salary is still very low and not enough for daily expenses, is this the effect of the Ukraine and russia war that makes the gas or crude oil so high at price and they pass the gas expenses to the product and it ends to very high price of the basic needs that make us very poor, I see government has a move to resolve the problem but many people are still blaming the government.

only we are fully responsible for our lives, I will never depend my life on the government, it's better for me to work hard myself so that my future is better than now, the government is just administration, they are not a group of people who can make a lot jobs, especially if they fail to attract investors for investment. let's fight for our own lives, the government only cares about their own stomachs.

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Quote from: CageMabok on November 16, 2023, 10:06:44 AM

A more appropriate step to overcome this is to work in a job sector that can bring in more income. For example, businesses at the medium and small levels must also have sources of income from two different directions even though they have to do two jobs that are not the same. Because as long as this work can help us overcome poverty slowly, I think it is very good to do it without having to join the government system with a monthly salary through certain agencies.

It is everyone's responsibility to be able to earn income to meet the needs they need because if we expect the government to be able to overcome poverty, that is wrong in my opinion, because it is important for us to have several sources of income to be able to meet our own needs, I agree not to hope for a job with the government because the salary we get from the government is very small and cannot necessarily meet our needs for a month and if we can work and earn our own income it will certainly be more satisfying.

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No matter how the government of a country tries to provide jobs for its citizens. There is no way poverty will be eradicated from the country. Government will only provide the best they can, and their citizens will then use what their government has provided and given to them, to turn it to their advantage to change their status quo of being rich.

In a country, no government has decided to make a particular citizen rich. What they all do is provide an open opportunity for each of their citizens to choose from, it will now be left for their citizens to make use of it to their advantage to succeed in life(whether to be rich or poor)

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Quote from: rhodelmabanal on March 23, 2023, 07:47:42 AM

In my country i observed so many people doing rally and blame the government why the basic needs price rise and the salary is still very low and not enough for daily expenses, is this the effect of the Ukraine and russia war that makes the gas or crude oil so high at price and they pass the gas expenses to the product and it ends to very high price of the basic needs that make us very poor, I see government has a move to resolve the problem but many people are still blaming the government.

Governments bear the responsibility for any problems in the country. I'm not sure about your country, but in mine, when prices of goods rise, the government bears the blame. For example, if fuel prices rise, the prices of all goods and necessities will rise, leaving us with no one to blame but ourselves. Is the government to blame for the poor's struggle to make ends meet by raising fuel prices, which stop the majority of people from eating three meals a day. I cannot see anyone being at fault for blaming the government for anything because things are so expensive, salaries are insufficient to meet our needs financially before you receive them, and the budget you create will go over your salary. The government, in my opinion, only cares about themselves and doesn't seem to care about how the people and how they survive in the country.

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Quote from: reagansimms on September 29, 2023, 07:38:05 AM

When the role of the government cannot be expected or the welfare of the people cannot be handled by the government, each individual must rely on themselves to get out of poverty. Not all people receive government assistance, there are those whose personal data is manipulated by relevant officials to divert aid to other parties, there are also those who escape government monitoring.
When prices of basic commodities continue to increase but your income is still limited, you must have side income to maintain financial stability. Never hope or depend on the government for the problems you are facing, you must rely on yourself to overcome the inflationary pressure that is occurring in your country.

The government cannot bear all the poverty of its people and that is what we have to understand, and the problem of social assistance from the government for the poor is often not on target and this problem will continue to occur. Because those who are recorded as poor and over time become rich or middle class, still get it and there are also individuals who manipulate officials who prioritize large families and local communities, resulting in aid being misdirected and not rotating.
So it's best not to expect too much from government assistance because the things I mentioned often happen. And in this case we must be able to learn to be independent to be able to meet our needs by increasing our income and having a side job or additional income and also saving on expenses that we have to incur in the current situation. Because that way we will get used to it, and when the economy recovers we will be able to save for important needs, from our habits due to work or side income and this must continue to be done so that we can continue to live peacefully.

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