Is there a difference between buying shares in the stock exchange and gambling? - page 16.

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Quote from: futurebit640 on October 27, 2015, 02:42:32 AM

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Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

That's right, the system is really different, in stock you can analyze it and make a decision also make a profit, although the profit is not much as you want, but you can still earn profit.
In gambling, you just play with your feeling, it's make a lose.

If you choose a right stocks then the profits also very high over the time but choosing right stock at right time is the most difficult part in stock markets. If any one planning for long tern then stock market is different from gambling but if one planning for day trading then gambling and day trading not much difference both need a luck and no calculations will work out.

LoL you're wrong to understand what i said. I means and what i'm understand about buying shares is this investment plan for long term and people who want to invest is need do a research first about the market, it's make a possibility to earn more profit if you can analyze the market(this doesn't have with gambling).

You said about trading a day, it's means forex isn't? Well if you can analyze the market for today, you can earn profit today, otherwise, if you just take a position without analyze, it's not different with you do a gamble.

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Quote from: fullypak on October 28, 2015, 02:48:17 AM

If any one plan to do day trading then it is almost same as gambling because one need to be lucky to win money in gambling and similarly to win day trades one should be very lucky otherwise traders will most likely lose their money. But if any one plan to invest money in shares for long term perspective then it is different from gambling. Investors can make good money in share market in long term.

Day trading can also be very profitable and no, it is not like gambling if you know what you are doing. As said, it takes patience.
You can daytrade on news and make decent returns doing so. The opportunities might not come as often but if you keep an eye on many markets, then it is doable pretty much daily.

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If any one plan to do day trading then it is almost same as gambling because one need to be lucky to win money in gambling and similarly to win day trades one should be very lucky otherwise traders will most likely lose their money. But if any one plan to invest money in shares for long term perspective then it is different from gambling. Investors can make good money in share market in long term.

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To be honest, odds of you profiting from the market vs odds from your profiting from gambling (even with the lowest 1% house-edge), the trading has a much brighter outcome for you.

The more patient you are in trading the more you will gain from it and not make mistakes like stress-selling and buying cause "i might miss the jump", but the more you gamble on dice sites the higher your chances of losing cause the house-edge will catch up to you at some point. (Unless you switch client-seeds constantly, but that's not going to help you in the long run either)

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Quote from: darkangel11 on October 27, 2015, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: bitart on October 27, 2015, 06:17:51 PM

But it is so simple, like you have to buy at the lowest and don't sell until the highest

If you buy shares, there are several techniques to choose stock and term. If you regulate your risk, investing in stock is less risky than to gamble.

If it's so easy then why so many people fail?
Next question: what if you buy low and it keeps going down? Wait or sell? What if you wait and it never recovers?
Trading is like playing cards, where unlike with dice or slots you actually have to make decisions.

There is a smiley at the end of that sentence.
Of course it's not easy to trade but with risk management (diversification, using stop-loss techniques, etc) you can manage your trades, just need to stick to your rules.
If a stock you have bought start to go down, you have the stop which will automatically terminate your position, so you don't need to think about it at all. You have to think the trade over before you open the position, decide what are the stop loss and take profit prices and set them accordingly. So if the prices moves to any of the directions, you have already a solution set, and you don't need to worry.
Setting stop depends on what amount of loss you can accept in one trade (usually 1% of your capital) take profit depemd on how much you want to win on that stock.

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Quote from: bitart on October 27, 2015, 06:17:51 PM

But it is so simple, like you have to buy at the lowest and don't sell until the highest

If you buy shares, there are several techniques to choose stock and term. If you regulate your risk, investing in stock is less risky than to gamble.

Yes that is correct because stock price will not go to zero in one day or instantly like in gambling so one will have some time to react and take some of their money from stocks.

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Quote from: bitart on October 27, 2015, 06:17:51 PM

But it is so simple, like you have to buy at the lowest and don't sell until the highest

If you buy shares, there are several techniques to choose stock and term. If you regulate your risk, investing in stock is less risky than to gamble.

If it's so easy then why so many people fail?
Next question: what if you buy low and it keeps going down? Wait or sell? What if you wait and it never recovers?
Trading is like playing cards, where unlike with dice or slots you actually have to make decisions.

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Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

Yes i agree with you,on stock you can protect your money by using trading tools,stop looses,in gambling no,if you can gamble for fun with some small money ,that is ok no problem,but gample with bigger money you can loose very fast

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But it is so simple, like you have to buy at the lowest and don't sell until the highest

If you buy shares, there are several techniques to choose stock and term. If you regulate your risk, investing in stock is less risky than to gamble.

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Quote from: futurebit640 on October 27, 2015, 02:42:32 AM

Quote from: ikydesu on October 27, 2015, 02:24:51 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

That's right, the system is really different, in stock you can analyze it and make a decision also make a profit, although the profit is not much as you want, but you can still earn profit.
In gambling, you just play with your feeling, it's make a lose.

If you choose a right stocks then the profits also very high over the time but choosing right stock at right time is the most difficult part in stock markets. If any one planning for long tern then stock market is different from gambling but if one planning for day trading then gambling and day trading not much difference both need a luck and no calculations will work out.

"choosing right stock at right time is the most difficult part in stock markets." I can never pick the right time to buy and sell. So the profit is small.

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Quote from: ikydesu on October 27, 2015, 02:24:51 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

That's right, the system is really different, in stock you can analyze it and make a decision also make a profit, although the profit is not much as you want, but you can still earn profit.
In gambling, you just play with your feeling, it's make a lose.

If you choose a right stocks then the profits also very high over the time but choosing right stock at right time is the most difficult part in stock markets. If any one planning for long tern then stock market is different from gambling but if one planning for day trading then gambling and day trading not much difference both need a luck and no calculations will work out.

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Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

That's right, the system is really different, in stock you can analyze it and make a decision also make a profit, although the profit is not much as you want, but you can still earn profit.
In gambling, you just play with your feeling, it's make a lose.

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Both can be considered forms of gambling to an extent. Since we're talking about making a profit here - I'm going to ignore -EV games like dice.

The stock market foremost I would consider is more regulated than the gambling industry - specifically sports betting and poker. IMO sports games are more likely to have a fix - but for all I know there has been a lot of insider trading done which hasn't been caught. Both can be profitable - but both require a good analysis of historical trends alongside an effective way of making predictions (usually a mathematical model).

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Well you can gamble with informed chances. Stock exchanges have laws on stuff like inside trading, which is the same as having a 'hot tip' on a horse or a football team from a 'source'.

I think the best traders understand their market well and have a feel for the market's psychology.

Dice gambling is a bit different from sportsbook betting or stock trading in that regard. All involved elements of risk, too.

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Quote from: Eastwind on October 26, 2015, 09:37:26 AM

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Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

It is the same actually buying stocks is always a gamble because few months ago even the shares of apple inc went down and make some speculator lost some amount. The different with gambling is that you can take profit when you feel you get enough and exit if you think you lose enough

When you invest in shares, you can also take profit by selling. You need to do a lot of research on investment. If you do not want to invest directly, you can buy a index track fund. This will rise in every 20 year period.

Consider it the same as trading bitcoin, when it drops you will not lose everything but only lose some of it and in long term it is an investment. You dont need to do alot of research because it will be use less as well, just try to get the one that has the best reputation there like bluechip shares

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Investing in share market is nothing but your trust the business model and put your money for them to grow their business and later your expecting some profits from them but in this process you may lose your money if company didn't perform as per your expectation. But in gambling when you put money you need mostly luck to make money out of it so I prefer to invest money in share market than gambling.

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Quote from: Eastwind on October 26, 2015, 09:37:26 AM

Quote from: cazkooo on October 26, 2015, 07:38:10 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

It is the same actually buying stocks is always a gamble because few months ago even the shares of apple inc went down and make some speculator lost some amount. The different with gambling is that you can take profit when you feel you get enough and exit if you think you lose enough

When you invest in shares, you can also take profit by selling. You need to do a lot of research on investment. If you do not want to invest directly, you can buy a index track fund. This will rise in every 20 year period.

Or, to be similar a bit to gambling, there is the day trade method, you buy some stocks in the morning and sell before closing. It's a kind of gambling. If the prices goes up, you win, if down, you don't.
It's also not necessary to hold for the whole day, if you feel that you had win enough, you can close your position earlier and realize your profit (or sometimes loss).

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Quote from: cazkooo on October 26, 2015, 07:38:10 AM

Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

It is the same actually buying stocks is always a gamble because few months ago even the shares of apple inc went down and make some speculator lost some amount. The different with gambling is that you can take profit when you feel you get enough and exit if you think you lose enough

When you invest in shares, you can also take profit by selling. You need to do a lot of research on investment. If you do not want to invest directly, you can buy a index track fund. This will rise in every 20 year period.

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Quote from: MinerHQ on October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 PM

I think stock exchange one can make money in the long run but in gambling most likely every one will lose money. What you guys think?

It is the same actually buying stocks is always a gamble because few months ago even the shares of apple inc went down and make some speculator lost some amount. The different with gambling is that you can take profit when you feel you get enough and exit if you think you lose enough

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Quote from: Nobitcoin on October 26, 2015, 02:11:46 AM

Gambling is straight up based on luck whilst trading in stocks require background knowledge of the market and how likely the price will rise or drop.

I think it is hard for newbie to start doing some investment, wrong pick you will be busted but with gambling although you are not in luck you can still earn it but not that much

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