Is there a difference between buying shares in the stock exchange and gambling? - page 8.

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Quote from: bitart on November 15, 2015, 05:44:30 PM

Stock market is a 0 ending game, if someone wins that means that someone loses also. If you think that the price is reasonable to buy yourself in and you expect the price to go up, someone at the same moment thinks that the price will go down and it's high time to sell. After it, one of them will win and the other has missed the opportunity to win, so it's a loss for him.

Stock market is not a 0 ending game. It is positive sum game. The reason for that is most companies make profit, this money will be paid to investors. The trading cost, tax will reduce the return to investors.

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I personally don't think there is that much of a difference. In the end you are risking your money to gain money. I think the people who say differently problem won some cash from the market and assume its safe, it isn't.

No one said any investment is 100% safe, but at the least with stock shares you're placing money on something other than just odds on a payout table.
The only way those two investments can be considered to have even chances of making a profit is if you have no knowledge about stock market and shares you are investing in.

Even with "knowledge" of the stock market you still have risk. If it was possible to have knowledge everyone would be doing it and everyone would be rich. The bottom line is you are guessing and hoping for the best.

Stock market is a 0 ending game, if someone wins that means that someone loses also. If you think that the price is reasonable to buy yourself in and you expect the price to go up, someone at the same moment thinks that the price will go down and it's high time to sell. After it, one of them will win and the other has missed the opportunity to win, so it's a loss for him.

Yes, you are right. In stock market if the price of the particular stock is increased then it will be a profit for the shareholders and at the same time if someone has opted for derivatives (call option-Put Options), and placed trade on put option then it will be really huge loss for them.

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Quote from: Erza on November 20, 2015, 01:00:02 AM

I dont know if you can buy all just one crptocoin and pump it like usual then sell it like it just piece of cake here. Lets say that you can buy all of the X coin then you need to attract people to pump it too follow your stream. If not you will lose this thing and you can't get any profit from it

There are these kinds of pump every day for some coins. But the rise is not sustainable, as it is just a pump and dump. There is intrinsic value of the coins. These coins are just for pump and dump, there is no active development of the coin. There are many people fall into victim.

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Quote from: fullypak on November 19, 2015, 09:54:11 PM

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Quote from: knightkon on November 14, 2015, 09:48:31 PM

Buying shares of stock is just another form of gambling disguised as investing.

If you are using a short term strategy like day trading then you are not investing anything . Some people buy stock for long term but sometimes people buy it for short term

Short term trading or day trading is equal to gambling so one have a more chances to lose their complete money in these things because most of the time need only luck to win. So if one want to make a money from share market then they must invest in some good companies and wait for few years to grow their business and your share prices.

Yes in short term people are just guessing the price can move either up or down so winning will be based on just by luck so for short term share market investment is not good.

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Quote from: bitart on November 19, 2015, 04:16:21 PM

Are there any cryptocoins that has a steady exchange rate compared to fiat (not likely BTC which is too volatile)
I'm thinking about if it's possible to exchange BTC to some different cryptocoin when BTC's price is high and after buy back the BTC if it goes down (and it can be really short term, e.g. daytrade or mid or longer term as well).
I just want to avoid to exchane BTC to fiat and back too many times, because of the cost and the time of buying BTC officially for fiat. Is there any cryptocoin with not so volatile price?

I dont know if you can buy all just one crptocoin and pump it like usual then sell it like it just piece of cake here. Lets say that you can buy all of the X coin then you need to attract people to pump it too follow your stream. If not you will lose this thing and you can't get any profit from it

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Quote from: erwin45hacked on November 14, 2015, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: knightkon on November 14, 2015, 09:48:31 PM

Buying shares of stock is just another form of gambling disguised as investing.

If you are using a short term strategy like day trading then you are not investing anything . Some people buy stock for long term but sometimes people buy it for short term

Short term trading or day trading is equal to gambling so one have a more chances to lose their complete money in these things because most of the time need only luck to win. So if one want to make a money from share market then they must invest in some good companies and wait for few years to grow their business and your share prices.

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Quote from: knightkon on November 14, 2015, 09:48:31 PM

Buying shares of stock is just another form of gambling disguised as investing. The only difference is that you can do some research into your purchase to determine if that is a good idea to make the purchase. The only real difference is that you can look into your "investment" to see if you think you are making a good bet.

Even then, with research you are still only guessing that the price goes up, or that you are buying at a low price, it is just a form of gambling

I think you don't the meaning of share market investment that's why you telling that investing in share market is guessing game. But real scenario is your buying a business if you don't understand the company business then don't invest in that company. So as per me share market investment for long term is totally different from gambling.

So I am guessing you are extremely rich from this, like millions because if you are able to do this you should have no problem repeating it. No?

I dont think you need to be rich to buy some stocks or share? You can buy little by little right? Because this is long term investment so if you buy that many too in the end you will sell it too to get some profit. It has nothing to do with you become rich then you can buying stocks

You only need to be rich in order to move the market in the way you want it to go, for this you need really much money. But if you want to drive the market you don't need to buy or sell shares in big but need to manipulate the news and the press

But if you want to trade on forex market, that's impossible, forex market is way too big to manipulate anything

Yes it is true, you can manipulate the market price if you have a lot of cash but I dont think everyone will have this power to change the market like they want. Most people not daring to make some manipulation on bitcoin because of the price is too volatile

Are there any cryptocoins that has a steady exchange rate compared to fiat (not likely BTC which is too volatile)
I'm thinking about if it's possible to exchange BTC to some different cryptocoin when BTC's price is high and after buy back the BTC if it goes down (and it can be really short term, e.g. daytrade or mid or longer term as well).
I just want to avoid to exchane BTC to fiat and back too many times, because of the cost and the time of buying BTC officially for fiat. Is there any cryptocoin with not so volatile price?

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Quote from: erwin45hacked on November 14, 2015, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: knightkon on November 14, 2015, 09:48:31 PM

Buying shares of stock is just another form of gambling disguised as investing.

If you are using a short term strategy like day trading then you are not investing anything . Some people buy stock for long term but sometimes people buy it for short term

That is very true. If any one investing money in share market for short term/day trading means is equal to gambling and they can win money only based on pure luck no analysis will work out in day trading. So in this case there is not difference between investing in share market or gambling but share markets will give good profits for long term.

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