Technically anything and everything is statistically possible isn't it? I'm not familiar with this lottery in particular, and it would come as no surprise to me if lottery's were cheating like this, but I think it's entirely possible, although of course unlikely.
This is why I don't play the lotto. "You can't win if you don't play" I get that, but I just don't trust it overall.
Topic: Is this statiscally possible in a lottery? (Read 633 times)
The possibilities are always there, but the odds are contradictory.
Plus, the suspicion became even stronger when the report about 1 bettor with 2 jackpot winning tickets surfaced in the internet.
https://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2022/10/3/one-bettor-owned-two-winning-tickets-PCSO-grand-lotto.html
Though you can always do it even with 3 or more tickets, but that doesn't really make sense because you yourself knew there could only be 1 or 2 person in the country that has the same combination as you.
Your initiative would always prefer to bet on a different combination for you to increase the probability of winning with 2 tickets in a different combinations.
Well, investigation will be conducted for this as this news became viral, and I guess only the lottery outlets where these 433 jackpot winners placed their bets could solve this issue with an accurate data and evidence.
Plus, the suspicion became even stronger when the report about 1 bettor with 2 jackpot winning tickets surfaced in the internet.
https://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2022/10/3/one-bettor-owned-two-winning-tickets-PCSO-grand-lotto.html
Though you can always do it even with 3 or more tickets, but that doesn't really make sense because you yourself knew there could only be 1 or 2 person in the country that has the same combination as you.
Your initiative would always prefer to bet on a different combination for you to increase the probability of winning with 2 tickets in a different combinations.
Well, investigation will be conducted for this as this news became viral, and I guess only the lottery outlets where these 433 jackpot winners placed their bets could solve this issue with an accurate data and evidence.
I wonder when the organizers of the lottery will guess to publish statistics on the combinations on which the largest number of people bet money? I think someone bets on 1,2,3,4,5,6 and someone on 3,13,23,33,43,53, etc. Obviously, if they prove that many people bet on certain combinations of numbers, then the result of this lottery draw will not raise questions even for those who do not understand anything about statistics. Or the organizers do not have the opportunity to obtain such data?
It is certainly possible. The processing of such statistical data in today's IT age is no problem at all.
Do you have live TV coverage of your state lottery? If so, they almost always announce after each draw whether the jackpot has been drawn and how many winners there are in that round. That means that the computer processes all winning combinations of paid tickets at the moment when all the numbers are drawn.
I wonder when the organizers of the lottery will guess to publish statistics on the combinations on which the largest number of people bet money? I think someone bets on 1,2,3,4,5,6 and someone on 3,13,23,33,43,53, etc. Obviously, if they prove that many people bet on certain combinations of numbers, then the result of this lottery draw will not raise questions even for those who do not understand anything about statistics. Or the organizers do not have the opportunity to obtain such data?
Statistically speaking, when it comes to possibility, yes the winning numbers are possible although obviously chances to hit that set of numbers are really difficult. It's an even more high chance to be struck by lightning compared to hitting numbers 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54.
I feel sad for the real bettor who trusts that numbers. Maybe when the numbers was picked, that bettor is now rejoicing for a big win but surprisingly, there are other 432 winners that will be part of the share on the jackpot.
You know what's sadder? That is if the bettor trust that number for a long time and then switch out to a new number thinking that its a bad number and boom it suddenly came out one day but I think this is becoming a mainstream for a lottery bettor and some will just move on easily.I feel sad for the real bettor who trusts that numbers. Maybe when the numbers was picked, that bettor is now rejoicing for a big win but surprisingly, there are other 432 winners that will be part of the share on the jackpot.
Lottery bettors know that it's also possible for other people to win so the first thing that they will do is to check out the number of winners before saying that they win the full amount but it's not even full as there are huge taxes that will be deducted through it. This the disadvantage of those government based lotteries because they can get too much cut for our winnings but I think this isn't experienced in crypto lotteries.
A delusional explanation, if in the last paragraph they didn’t mention that people like to bet on beautiful numbers, then this whole explanation could be safely thrown into the trash. The penultimate paragraph is completely superfluous - I got the impression that this explanation was written only to demonstrate their own mathematical skills.
I wonder, those who still doubt the honesty of this lottery, how do they explain the phenomenal number of winners? As "a simple and imperceptible way for anyone" to steal the winnings among "your people"? Seriously?
I wonder, those who still doubt the honesty of this lottery, how do they explain the phenomenal number of winners? As "a simple and imperceptible way for anyone" to steal the winnings among "your people"? Seriously?
Well there was a 1 in 29 million chance that those exact numbers fell out by pure coincidence. But that probability would go up if you consider all the relevant lotteries in the world. So somewhere, at some point in time, a lottery would definitely spit out those exact numbers.
All those winners were superstitious gamblers who just bet on the multiples of 9 every time then sounds like a good explanation.
But what about other "beautiful numbers"? Why have we not seen this happen before? That might be a better question to ask ourselves before we start high-roading a guy with a PhD.
Its obviously possible but its so unlikely that it feels rigged. I don't what exactly they were aiming at. But its known that some machines may be rigged with hot and cold balls (I am not very sure tho)
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
It's as likely as any other combination.
It just feels wrong because of how humans perceive statistics.
For example, if you throw a dice one time and it's a 6, that doesn't change the fact that the next roll has 1/6 chances of being another 6. If there's a second 6 in a row that also doesn't change the fact the next roll still has 1/6 chances of being a 6, but at that moment lots of people would think that it's way less probable to have another 6 than the actual probability, which is 1/6.
I agree with you. Each new roll does not depend on the previous one, so I do not exclude the fact that the combination could well be accidental.
Even if the lottery is run by the government, it makes no sense for them to manipulate the results, because that would lead to a reduction in lottery sales, if not a scandal. Lottery owners make a lot of money even without faking the results. Therefore, I personally think that they are not interested in cheating.
The probability of getting two same rolls in a row is a perspective of a starting point. If you have not rolled the dice yet, then the probability of you getting both rolls with the same number is (1/6)*(1/6) = 1/36 (about 2.77%). The "endpoint" probability is what is important here. I think that might be the thing you guys are confused by. In other words, you could flip a coin and try to get heads 100 times in a row. It would not be as easy as getting heads twice in a row, would it?
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And this is the explanation of one an OCTA Research on the probability
Its better to have an investigation on this because its possibility that something like this will come out in the future, we never know its a lottery and luck and probability do happen every once in a blue moon
And this is the explanation of one an OCTA Research on the probability
Its better to have an investigation on this because its possibility that something like this will come out in the future, we never know its a lottery and luck and probability do happen every once in a blue moon
A delusional explanation, if in the last paragraph they didn’t mention that people like to bet on beautiful numbers, then this whole explanation could be safely thrown into the trash. The penultimate paragraph is completely superfluous - I got the impression that this explanation was written only to demonstrate their own mathematical skills.
I wonder, those who still doubt the honesty of this lottery, how do they explain the phenomenal number of winners? As "a simple and imperceptible way for anyone" to steal the winnings among "your people"? Seriously?
Its obviously possible but its so unlikely that it feels rigged. I don't what exactly they were aiming at. But its known that some machines may be rigged with hot and cold balls (I am not very sure tho)
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
It's as likely as any other combination.
It just feels wrong because of how humans perceive statistics.
For example, if you throw a dice one time and it's a 6, that doesn't change the fact that the next roll has 1/6 chances of being another 6. If there's a second 6 in a row that also doesn't change the fact the next roll still has 1/6 chances of being a 6, but at that moment lots of people would think that it's way less probable to have another 6 than the actual probability, which is 1/6.
I agree with you. Each new roll does not depend on the previous one, so I do not exclude the fact that the combination could well be accidental.
Even if the lottery is run by the government, it makes no sense for them to manipulate the results, because that would lead to a reduction in lottery sales, if not a scandal. Lottery owners make a lot of money even without faking the results. Therefore, I personally think that they are not interested in cheating.
Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?
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I would say it's just a mere coincidence, the lottery results are completely random and I don't think the results are prefixed because the randomness keep the lottery results based on completely luck based which keep engaging more and more people because they think they can hit the jackpot one day.Image Source:
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Lottery company will not go into the loss at any situations since they sell more tickets than the actual prize money so why they are going to fix the results before the draw which is like ruining their duck which gives golden egg everytime.
I might have to believe of what you are saying is true if you show different ticket with the same as divisible with 9 or something. Although, we don't have a proof that they could manipulate the results but if there's a proof then what you have said might be true. But is it really rigged or can be manipulated when the prize would reach that high? It is a direct scam from the people if proven that they could rigged the game and that would create a chaos to all the citizens betting on a lottery ticket.
The chances of such occurrence to happen within the span of a human lifetime is so astronomically low it may as well be zero. A statistician and a physicist on Facebook created a rundown of the numbers and how low the chances are of the said denominations to come up in the draw, as well as the huge amount of winners to boot. This may as well be rigged or controlled in some way or another by the ones who facilitate our local lottery, granted that the same organization had received much flak in the past few decades due to their ties with corruption. (The gambling organization that set this lottery up is controlled by the central government of the Philippines, and much of the tax that they cut from the winners are returned to the government funding for "facilitation of projects of good governance".
The number that came out were are all divisible by nine.
There is a thing called coincidence that can happen.There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?
I am not used to the lottery system, but I will say anything is possible. People talk a lot and will always have something to say when something doesn't go in their favor, It is a human nature that some of them possess. 
And from my perspective and opinion, I think that's okay, because at least a lot of people benefited from the winning amount in the lottery draw because the only people who often benefit from the winning prize in the lottery are only 1, 2, or 3 people. That's better because at least a lot of people have been helped, this is just my opinion.
You may have a point here mate but rigging this game to help the economy will just leave a bad taste to the agency handling this, i mean who would trust if they are the ones scamming their own game? This should be investigated and hope they can explain to the citizens why it happened and convinced us that no rigging has happened to this game because this would create a negative effect on our economy if people won't buy lotto anymore as proceeds/revenues from this game have helped a lot on running our economy.
Also, Due to the issue at hand regarding this draw, the PCSO have released the region as to where the winners are located and most of them are on the same city or near to that city. Who's to say that those are from their agency to cash it out for themselves. Whatever the decision is on the investigation, I will never accept that this is not rigged.
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Among the list of winners, there's a winner who owns 2 winning ticket which is unreasonable since if you want to maximize you winning chances, a person will buy more tickets that doesn't have any same combination.
Yup, I also don't believe that this will help the economy.
After seeing some users sharing their skills/knowledge on statistics, I do believe now that the result was rigged so the government must do something to sanction/punish those responsible for this.
A single person having two winning tickets is a clear manifestation that this whole thing is a setup. Not so long ago, I and my colleagues at work agreed that each one of us would buy a lotto ticket and if ever one of us wins, the winnings will be shared with our group of 15. We do that because we think by doing so increases our chance of winning but after two years of betting, nothing fortunate has happened to our plan and now I saw the news that one person has two winning tickets, that insane.
Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?
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It's possible to win the lottery although the probability is really low most especially if the number of balls to be drawn is higher.
I've seen the news too and most people really feel that the result was rigged because there are numerous speculations about winning the lottery every time saying that the bettor who won also belongs to one of their staffs. We can't really blame the people to be doubtful if they witnessed unfair and corrupted upbringing in their environment. We can only educate them.
According to a statistician, it is indeed possible to have a winning numbers with multiple of 9 , and having many winners all at the same time, although the chance is really slim which corresponds to 1 in almost 29 million. Perhaps this is what the people are clamoring to be manipulated because of the almost close to impossible odds, but it could really happen. Unless the streamed draw is recorded, then that would be cheating. However, there is also no proof that the draw isn't live because they always do it live in accordance to the rule of transparency. I suppose the 433 people are just so lucky because the odds were on their favor during that day.
Its obviously possible but its so unlikely that it feels rigged. I don't what exactly they were aiming at. But its known that some machines may be rigged with hot and cold balls (I am not very sure tho)
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
It's as likely as any other combination.
It just feels wrong because of how humans perceive statistics.
For example, if you throw a dice one time and it's a 6, that doesn't change the fact that the next roll has 1/6 chances of being another 6. If there's a second 6 in a row that also doesn't change the fact the next roll still has 1/6 chances of being a 6, but at that moment lots of people would think that it's way less probable to have another 6 than the actual probability, which is 1/6.
Its obviously possible but its so unlikely that it feels rigged. I don't what exactly they were aiming at. But its known that some machines may be rigged with hot and cold balls (I am not very sure tho)
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
But I read in another thread that there were like more than 4 hundred winners. That's too much. Never experienced something like this before. But I think that may be proof its not rigged. 400 winners can't be exploit/rig/fixing.
Lottery winning is based on the random pluck and it will happen with huge.The winning of all the lottery game will be the new random pluck,it will make some one happy for their rest of the life.It also stolen the property of many of the unlucky person.So playing lottery in any way should play with more caution with more strategy to win the most of the game,you had engaged in.Playing lottery in offline,it was purely based on your luck.
its purely based on our luck , statistic was not neccessary for us. in each occasion we play , even we dont know will lose or win. everyone has same position in table , so use our money wisely to avoid huge lose till finally we regret with this condition. online or offline was same , it based on random pluck and machine algorithm.So maybe you don't need to use stats, but if you stick with it, it's up to you.
But you have to think that if the gambling game depends on luck, it will be difficult to win.
And it's better that we only play the lottery when we have free time and never play it too long because it can make you spend more money.
This is could be possible although sometimes seems to real to be false and at this point those who don't believe such score would appear will likely think is a manipulated result or rigged result. I actually have little experience with lotto playing few months ago i went to the local shop to know if i could gain little knowledge on how it work properly.
Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?
This is something new and a record in the Philippine lottery draw, that is why there is so much suspicious so much speculation and so many questions, there's a call in the philippine senate to investigate the results I think the investigation and inquiry are better to fully understand it happen and the probability that it can happen and will happen in the future and also to clean the agency from corruption and mismanagement, so we'll see in the senate inquiry on the results of the investigation, until now its still big news in the Philippines.
They now released the place where those jackpot winners placed their bet. If we looked at those places, really adds some another doubt for me that there are places where multiple winners were established. It's really hard to imagine.
I will try to post that image later as I just encounter it while browsing my news feed.
I will try to post that image later as I just encounter it while browsing my news feed.
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