Is this statiscally possible in a lottery? - page 2.

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Quote from: bocyaj on October 03, 2022, 03:52:58 PM

Lottery winning is based on the random pluck and it will happen with huge.The winning of all the lottery game will be the new random pluck,it will make some one happy for their rest of the life.It also stolen the property of many of the unlucky person.So playing lottery in any way should play with more caution with more strategy to win the most of the game,you had engaged in.Playing lottery in offline,it was purely based on your luck.

Yes, it was pure luck but people are not that dumb not to know if some irregularities are happening.

It's clear that there was an intent of manipulating the number of winners.

That was the need for investigation and if PCSO can do everything to show it's legit, then ok.

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Quote from: strunberg on October 03, 2022, 06:27:00 PM

Quote from: bocyaj on October 03, 2022, 03:52:58 PM

Lottery winning is based on the random pluck and it will happen with huge.The winning of all the lottery game will be the new random pluck,it will make some one happy for their rest of the life.It also stolen the property of many of the unlucky person.So playing lottery in any way should play with more caution with more strategy to win the most of the game,you had engaged in.Playing lottery in offline,it was purely based on your luck.

its purely based on our luck , statistic was not neccessary for us. in each occasion we play , even we dont know will lose or win. everyone has same position in table , so use our money wisely to avoid huge lose till finally we regret with this condition. online or offline was same , it based on random pluck and machine algorithm.

I have searched out about 6/55 Lotto winning odds.
You can form 28,989,675 combinations from numbers 1 to 55 wherein each combination comprises 6 unique non-repeating numbers in no particular order.

https://lottotips888.blogspot.com/p/grand-lotto-655.html

So it is 28 million combination and 433 bettors had hit up these numbers
on a certain time or draw? Just like the rest which i do have suspicions on this one.

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Quote from: bocyaj on October 03, 2022, 03:52:58 PM

Lottery winning is based on the random pluck and it will happen with huge.The winning of all the lottery game will be the new random pluck,it will make some one happy for their rest of the life.It also stolen the property of many of the unlucky person.So playing lottery in any way should play with more caution with more strategy to win the most of the game,you had engaged in.Playing lottery in offline,it was purely based on your luck.

its purely based on our luck , statistic was not neccessary for us. in each occasion we play , even we dont know will lose or win. everyone has same position in table , so use our money wisely to avoid huge lose till finally we regret with this condition. online or offline was same , it based on random pluck and machine algorithm.

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Quote from: STT on October 03, 2022, 04:02:00 PM

A lottery run by government equates to a kind of tax, it cannot be called a positive especially but it does relieve the alternate forms of taxation where the poorest people are deprived of their scarce resources. We have to hope that lottery money raises money from those with money spare ie. an optional luxury tax with a hefty cashback factor & so the economy is not altered negatively as can happen in some tax regimes where workers are punished by overly large government and its spending, waste, etc.

Those 433 winners are said to have 500k if I am not mistaken, I think lottery here is not taxable, I mean they are not subject for tax. The reason why people like to win the jackpot because it is tax free exempted to this kind of tax, I am thinking, if all of the 433 winners uses their money in small span of time, it will not affect the economy right? I am also thinking that 433 is not real, there will be some fake people included, as we all know government can still manipulate the output.

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A lottery run by government equates to a kind of tax, it cannot be called a positive especially but it does relieve the alternate forms of taxation where the poorest people are deprived of their scarce resources. We have to hope that lottery money raises money from those with money spare ie. an optional luxury tax with a hefty cashback factor & so the economy is not altered negatively as can happen in some tax regimes where workers are punished by overly large government and its spending, waste, etc.

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Quote from: crzy on October 02, 2022, 04:16:46 PM

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Incredible result for winners, just guess the multipliers of 9 and bingo!
It proves the point about patterns in random series in case of lottery result not rigged. Anyways, I am sure for next round players will go for multipliers of all numbers 🙂

They have been betting on the same number since then, and having that huge winners is rare probably but it’s still possible. Now, they are investigating this one and I’m sure this is correct since those winners will surely contest and probably, claim the reward right away. Though the lotto that is being managed by the government seems suspicious sometimes, many says they are just choosing someone to be the winner but in reality, there is none this is why many don’t believe on this.

I am sure the lawsuit may happen if the investigation team declares the lottery results are rigged somehow. The winners have to fight for their rights and take the prize since the stress and dopamine they have experienced during this period shouldn't be wasted due to the patterns of randomness. Each pattern has some randomness and every randomness have infinite patterns inside it, we just can't calculate each possibility one by one. Hopefully, the lottery company or government will not refuse to pay the winners, otherwise, it will be a huge trust issue for the next lottery rounds/big wins,IMHO.

Really hard to say if its rigged, if we do consider on how many winners then it would be impossible that they would really be leaking out those numbers in those numbers of people who do make out bets.
But honestly this is my first time on seeing a lottery jackpot winner which is on having 400+ which we do usually know or see that it would rather be 1 winner or 2 or max of 3 based on my
experience but this one? turns out to be more 400 which is truly unbelievable or just simply this is first time in history on having these lots of winners.
For sure there would be some investigation to be made up if there are lots of complaints or questions or doubts about the transparency of this lottery.

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Lottery winning is based on the random pluck and it will happen with huge.The winning of all the lottery game will be the new random pluck,it will make some one happy for their rest of the life.It also stolen the property of many of the unlucky person.So playing lottery in any way should play with more caution with more strategy to win the most of the game,you had engaged in.Playing lottery in offline,it was purely based on your luck.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 03, 2022, 08:41:08 AM

Quote from: gunhell16 on October 03, 2022, 07:52:23 AM

And from my perspective and opinion, I think that's okay, because at least a lot of people benefited from the winning amount in the lottery draw because the only people who often benefit from the winning prize in the lottery are only 1, 2, or 3 people. That's better because at least a lot of people have been helped, this is just my opinion.

You may have a point here mate but rigging this game to help the economy will just leave a bad taste to the agency handling this, i mean who would trust if they are the ones scamming their own game? This should be investigated and hope they can explain to the citizens why it happened and convinced us that no rigging has happened to this game because this would create a negative effect on our economy if people won't buy lotto anymore as proceeds/revenues from this game have helped a lot on running our economy.

I don't even know if this will help the economy especially that we may not be sure whether those winners are real and are all of them isn't associated from the PCSO itself.

Also, Due to the issue at hand regarding this draw, the PCSO have released the region as to where the winners are located and most of them are on the same city or near to that city. Who's to say that those are from their agency to cash it out for themselves. Whatever the decision is on the investigation, I will never accept that this is not rigged.

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Among the list of winners, there's a winner who owns 2 winning ticket which is unreasonable since if you want to maximize you winning chances, a person will buy more tickets that doesn't have any same combination.

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Quote from: Eternad on October 03, 2022, 08:18:11 AM

The draw is being done televised, there’s no way it will be rigged since all balls is being weigh before it place on the cage.

Do you think that anything telecast live on Public television can't be rigged? Technology has evolved too much that your eyes can be fooled and you would never know what actually happened.

I still stick to my logic that lotteries are made for gambling houses to make money and they are for the people to invest and forget about their money as they will never win substantial money from lotteries.

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Basically it depends on what the way selectors have selected this lottery. Is it computerized or manual this is the important thing. If it open to all during lottery selection time then no question is conflicted in anyone's mind. Moreover, the numbers that appear are also raised in many questions. If the lottery is created in such a dispute, then the authority will lose the lottery buyers in the future.

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It is difficult to win the lottery, if there is a phrase that comes close to being lucky, it is winning the lottery. Wink

People tend to believe and play the lottery for the obvious fact, they win the first prize... So, hey! this is difficult, improbable; then they, the people's always to Saying, "it doesn't matter, today, it's my turn..."

OP: At winners is where you can thinkbwhat there is the trap, on the ticket, that paper, or the holder of such a valuable ticket to wealth is in a certain way where the trap can occur.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on October 01, 2022, 06:59:14 PM

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

The thing that they haven't draw it live will have suspicion already considering for years they have done that thing everyday. They should explain it to the masses since that will just ruin their credibility that they built for years. We may not know the possibility of it but a one in a million chance could always happen on anything.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on October 03, 2022, 07:52:23 AM

And from my perspective and opinion, I think that's okay, because at least a lot of people benefited from the winning amount in the lottery draw because the only people who often benefit from the winning prize in the lottery are only 1, 2, or 3 people. That's better because at least a lot of people have been helped, this is just my opinion.

You may have a point here mate but rigging this game to help the economy will just leave a bad taste to the agency handling this, i mean who would trust if they are the ones scamming their own game? This should be investigated and hope they can explain to the citizens why it happened and convinced us that no rigging has happened to this game because this would create a negative effect on our economy if people won't buy lotto anymore as proceeds/revenues from this game have helped a lot on running our economy.

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Quote from: Eternad on October 03, 2022, 08:18:11 AM

Quote from: crwth on October 03, 2022, 08:02:27 AM

It’s impressive that it has become a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. It’s probably really rare, but maybe it’s just really what shows in the results. If they were to rig it or something, that would’ve been a scam by a group of people, making them a lot of money out of nowhere.

if it even was rigged, they should be punished.

This was already explained on the news recently by the PCSO gen manager. The winning number combination is only appear once and most of the winners that being interviewed was betting this combination for a long time and the winning bets has pattern so it’s really possible that many players will if they are thinking on same logic.

The draw is being done televised, there’s no way it will be rigged since all balls is being weigh before it place on the cage.

It's not really the probability of the number that should be tackled here this is a lottery and anything is possible in a lottery, it should be on transparency and correctness on how they held the drawing if it was done like all the past drawings and there is nothing wrong and there's no manipulation then people should accept the results as it is, and besides the experts have explained that it's possible to have this numbers of winners.

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Quote from: crwth on October 03, 2022, 08:02:27 AM

It’s impressive that it has become a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. It’s probably really rare, but maybe it’s just really what shows in the results. If they were to rig it or something, that would’ve been a scam by a group of people, making them a lot of money out of nowhere.

if it even was rigged, they should be punished.

This was already explained on the news recently by the PCSO gen manager. The winning number combination is only appear once and most of the winners that being interviewed was betting this combination for a long time and the winning bets has pattern so it’s really possible that many players will if they are thinking on same logic.

The draw is being done televised, there’s no way it will be rigged since all balls is being weigh before it place on the cage.

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So this is the reason why I am seeing a lot of memes about PCSO. Cheesy

Questions like "Did this happen before?" will come out. If not, then it's possible that it would happen at least once per decade or maybe longer.

About the lottery in the Philippines being rigged, well I have been skeptical about the results even back then like it's always avoiding having a winner.
My grandfather never missed a game before, and that's what opened my mind that it's just a waste of money.

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It’s impressive that it has become a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. a pattern with results that are divisible by nine. It’s probably really rare, but maybe it’s just really what shows in the results. If they were to rig it or something, that would’ve been a scam by a group of people, making them a lot of money out of nowhere.

if it even was rigged, they should be punished.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on October 01, 2022, 06:59:14 PM

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

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I did read this in the news, because in the history of the lottery here in the Philippines, only now have there been so many winners in that matter, the total winners are 433, and the second issue that other government officials have questioned is why each number drawn has a total number of 9? If you look at it, the lottery draw is unusual, which motivated other politicians that there was manipulation happened.

And from my perspective and opinion, I think that's okay, because at least a lot of people benefited from the winning amount in the lottery draw because the only people who often benefit from the winning prize in the lottery are only 1, 2, or 3 people. That's better because at least a lot of people have been helped, this is just my opinion.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 03, 2022, 03:08:15 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on October 03, 2022, 12:24:49 AM

You will find the probability of getting a single such a number is D/N = 6/55 , therefore the probability of getting such numbers six times in a row is = (6/55)⁶. Which is at around ~0,00000168.

Which means you have an about ~1 in 600k chance but its still possible.

Your math is wrong.

You have odds of 6/55 when drawing the first number only. Since the numbers drawn are not returned to the pool and cannot be drawn a second time, then after you have drawn the first number there are no longer 6 possibilities you can choose, but 5. Similarly, there are not 55 balls to choose from, but 54. So the odds for the second ball are not 6/55, but 5/54. The same logic applies for all future balls. So instead of (6/55)⁶, the actual equation will be (6/55)*(5/54)*(4/53)*(3/52)*(2/51)*(1/50). So the odds are ~1 in 29 million.

AH yes.

I completely forgot that lotteries do not use the same numbers over again. That was completely wrong math due to my forgetting of how lotteries work. Tongue

Of course in that case you would be right. The odds of getting 6 numbers all divisible by 9 are way lower than expected and almost unrealistic to achieve. But that just again goes to prove that this was no accident. There definitely was something fishy going on here. Everything was premeditated and I am guessing some relative/friend who got the winnings numbers decided to tell another relative/friend. If they do a bit of analytic research on the network, they might find something interesting.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on October 03, 2022, 12:24:49 AM

You will find the probability of getting a single such a number is D/N = 6/55 , therefore the probability of getting such numbers six times in a row is = (6/55)⁶. Which is at around ~0,00000168.

Which means you have an about ~1 in 600k chance but its still possible.

Your math is wrong.

You have odds of 6/55 when drawing the first number only. Since the numbers drawn are not returned to the pool and cannot be drawn a second time, then after you have drawn the first number there are no longer 6 possibilities you can choose, but 5. Similarly, there are not 55 balls to choose from, but 54. So the odds for the second ball are not 6/55, but 5/54. The same logic applies for all future balls. So instead of (6/55)⁶, the actual equation will be (6/55)*(5/54)*(4/53)*(3/52)*(2/51)*(1/50). So the odds are ~1 in 29 million.

See my earlier post in this thread for a full explanation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61047255

Quote from: robelneo on October 03, 2022, 02:48:28 AM

And this is the explanation of one an OCTA Research on the probability

The last paragraph of the image you have shared sums it up nicely. If we were seeing 433 winners on a truly random selection of balls, then that would be evidence of something gone wrong or some foul play. But we are not seeing that. Instead, we are seeing 433 winners on a very obvious pattern which has been selected more than average simply by virtue of it being a very obvious pattern.

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