Is this statiscally possible in a lottery? - page 3.

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This is the actual video of the live lottery draw, before the draw, they weigh each ball by random representatives from various sectors of society the lottery agency has been doing this for so many years it's up to you to check for any irregularities but an investigation is coming to see if there are irregularities, this is highly controversial and we are all left speculating.

https://youtu.be/tuNqBT9ubMk?t=1078

And this is the explanation of one an OCTA Research on the probability

Its better to have an investigation on this because its possibility that something like this will come out in the future, we never know its a lottery and luck and probability do happen every once in a blue moon

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Can't say this was fixed because there are lot of possibilities in the mathematical scenario which I can't figure out but have been explained above.This is mere coincidence in my opinion that all the number are divisible by 9 as they pick out random numbers and if this was fixed they know who holds the lottery but this might not be the case.What was the total winning amount from this lottery exactly after deduction if any?

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Quote from: xSkylarx on October 01, 2022, 07:59:14 PM

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

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Well lets see what the mathematics have to say about that...

Since we have a one or two digit answer, we can safely assume that there is a set of integers from 1-55 which are also divisible by 9.

Let D={n|n ∈ N : (n = positive integer up to a maximum possible number of 55 which is also divisible by 9.)}
You will find the probability of getting a single such a number is D/N = 6/55 , therefore the probability of getting such numbers six times in a row is = (6/55)⁶. Which is at around ~0,00000168.

Which means you have an about ~1 in 600k chance but its still possible.

One might say that people are freaking out over a cool coincidence. But 433 winners?. Oh cmon. Someone spilled the winning numbers, it seems like.

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Look, I confess this is something unusual, being able to hit 6 numbers in a total of 55 is unlikely, but there are chances of this happening, I have no doubt, even if it is something extremely low.

Regarding integrity/reputability with lotteries, I don't know, I confess that I'm suspicious, I'm not saying that all lotteries have frauds, but until today I haven't met anyone from my friends or relatives who won millions in lottery, the most that ever happened was someone from my friends network earned enough money to buy a simple motorcycle.

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Quote from: dothebeats on October 02, 2022, 07:51:57 PM

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 02, 2022, 09:46:11 AM

It is not unusual to be suspicious of the way people are being cheated at every level. And the image the OP is sharing here is spot on that it is divisible by 9. But here the matter of lottery selection should be kept in mind in which process lottery selection is being done. If all were not divisible by this 9 then there would be no doubt in anyone's mind. But I think it doesn't matter. Those are the lucky ones who got those numbers.

They say that Filipino bettors are playful when it comes to betting and no wonder why there are 433 lottery winners in one day. Maybe those people have been betting with the same winning combination for a long time. It may sound suspicious but anything unexpected can happen in gambling. If the powerhouse has not been honest, then it will also be unfair to millions of bettors who put their hope on them.

Also, the department overseeing the lottery is known to have been plagued by lots of controversies, and I'm not even shocked if ever that turns out to be the case.

There was transparency in lottery few years ago, currently many people are questioning about that transparency. And I wouldn't be surprised because these things happen. Maybe not what the OP mentioned. People who believe in fortune are interested in playing this lottery and often feel anxious about various things. But I personally not interested in lottery where many casino games are available.

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 02, 2022, 07:54:41 PM

Statistically speaking, when it comes to possibility, yes the winning numbers are possible although obviously chances to hit that set of numbers are really difficult. It's an even more high chance to be struck by lightning compared to hitting numbers 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54.

I feel sad for the real bettor who trusts that numbers. Maybe when the numbers was picked, that bettor is now rejoicing for a big win but surprisingly, there are other 432 winners that will be part of the share on the jackpot.

Yeah, that's why it's usually a better idea to not bet on "nice" numbers, like "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6", because they have the same probability of happening, but more people will be playing those types of numbers so your prize will be divided.

Also it's better to play numbers higher than 31 because people usually play birthdays

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Statistically speaking, when it comes to possibility, yes the winning numbers are possible although obviously chances to hit that set of numbers are really difficult. It's an even more high chance to be struck by lightning compared to hitting numbers 9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54.

I feel sad for the real bettor who trusts that numbers. Maybe when the numbers was picked, that bettor is now rejoicing for a big win but surprisingly, there are other 432 winners that will be part of the share on the jackpot.

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Quote from: Cling18 on October 02, 2022, 11:39:12 AM

Quote from: BobK71 on October 02, 2022, 09:46:11 AM

It is not unusual to be suspicious of the way people are being cheated at every level. And the image the OP is sharing here is spot on that it is divisible by 9. But here the matter of lottery selection should be kept in mind in which process lottery selection is being done. If all were not divisible by this 9 then there would be no doubt in anyone's mind. But I think it doesn't matter. Those are the lucky ones who got those numbers.

They say that Filipino bettors are playful when it comes to betting and no wonder why there are 433 lottery winners in one day. Maybe those people have been betting with the same winning combination for a long time. It may sound suspicious but anything unexpected can happen in gambling. If the powerhouse has not been honest, then it will also be unfair to millions of bettors who put their hope on them.

Highly unlikely. Most lotto bettors take care of their numbers very well, and most of them include birthdays of their loved ones, special numbers that signify luck, and other significant numbers on their lives. I have never met someone in my life that bet these kinds of numbers with a known pattern. They know that it's already a waste of money so they would just bet on what they feel is lucky, not some stupid patterns that requires an extreme amount of luck. Also, the department overseeing the lottery is known to have been plagued by lots of controversies, and I'm not even shocked if ever that turns out to be the case.

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The first time I saw our lottery was being questioned massively by the community here and even caught the attention of one of the Senators here who want PCSO, the government branch that holds the national lottery, to give their explanation about what happened.

Can't believe PCSO released an early statement that those 433 winners really take care of that rare number of picks for long that is divisible by 9.

That's what the community here get when they want a private approach for jackpot winners not knowing it is easy to manipulate and add more winners since winners' identity can't be shown to the public due to some risks.

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Lottery itself out of luck. Here reaching specific number that gets divisible by 9 is not a big deal. There is chances of reaching it. Everything happens out of random choice. I'm not into the discussion whether it is rigged or not, but if it was rigged the authority will never go for such a number. Already they knew well we are getting into controversy with such number Selection, so surely they would've avoided it.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on October 02, 2022, 05:18:01 PM

It is possible but to have this pattern from 9x1 to 9x6 results plus this is Philippines. I'm not embarrassing my own country here but I think something is fishy with this one. It's rare to even have a three jackpot winner then now we have 433. Lmao. Given there's also an allegations of corruption in this agency. Now, i'm having a doubt and won't bet with this lottery.

There had been an allegation of corruption in this department for a long time but they are proven wrong due to lack of evidence. I wonder who are these 433 winners of the mega jackpot Grin

. I never doubt that the result of this game is often rigged but it is sad that there is no valid proof of the rigged part. Anyway, having a representative of the government doesn't mean it can't be rigged, all it takes is money to turn their eyes blind.

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Talk about the probability or possibility of having 433 winners for a 6D lottery in a single draw hehe. I don't think they would change the weight of the ball to rig the result or manipulate the Math behind each draw. I would think of this as just an anomaly until there are more evidence that suggests it isn't.

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All numbers are equal would be the standard take on probability calculations for comparing any kind of consideration in terms of likelihood. There are many different numbers like dates that could occur, some very famous recognized dates are no less likely then just random appearing insignificant arrangement. The only thing that might be possible to say is the idea of repetition, so if only single digit numbers appear one week then maybe it becomes more likely double digit numbers appear in future, averaged over time that might be easier to say as its only a slight effect.

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Quote from: goaldigger on October 02, 2022, 05:52:23 PM

Quote from: Shinpako09 on October 02, 2022, 05:18:01 PM

It is possible but to have this pattern from 9x1 to 9x6 results plus this is Philippines. I'm not embarrassing my own country here but I think something is fishy with this one. It's rare to even have a three jackpot winner then now we have 433. Lmao. Given there's also an allegations of corruption in this agency. Now, i'm having a doubt and won't bet with this lottery.

Corruption is the main reason why many doesn’t believe on this one, imagine having that volume of winners in lottery, it looks like a well planned scenario. Well, they claim it to be true and fair so let’s give the benefit of the doubt and beside, they are going to investigate this one and hopefully they find nothing because if there’s a malicious transaction with that, probably they will lose the trust of the public and the bettors itself.

Corruption issues are still with them, they can make someone a winner but it's hard to know if this is true or not. Commission on Audit should look into this, or other government agencies to address the possible corruption. Many analysis says that this is too impossible to happen, but it happened. I'm also having a doubt with this one, I can't figure it out if those winners really have the same numbers in mind and place a bet in the same day. Grin

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on October 02, 2022, 05:18:01 PM

It is possible but to have this pattern from 9x1 to 9x6 results plus this is Philippines. I'm not embarrassing my own country here but I think something is fishy with this one. It's rare to even have a three jackpot winner then now we have 433. Lmao. Given there's also an allegations of corruption in this agency. Now, i'm having a doubt and won't bet with this lottery.

Corruption is the main reason why many doesn’t believe on this one, imagine having that volume of winners in lottery, it looks like a well planned scenario. Well, they claim it to be true and fair so let’s give the benefit of the doubt and beside, they are going to investigate this one and hopefully they find nothing because if there’s a malicious transaction with that, probably they will lose the trust of the public and the bettors itself.

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Quote from: Darker45 on October 01, 2022, 09:40:52 PM

I can't say whether this lottery or at least this particular draw is rigged or not although there have already been many talks about it. But I guess the pattern of the winning numbers is simply a coincidence. If this is indeed rigged, those who chose the winning combination should have picked random numbers. Picking a winning combination such as this would only ignite suspicion. If players doubt, they might not play anymore. That means a loss in revenue.

Another surprising thing about this is that there are 433 winners of the jackpot. Normally, there's only 1 or 2 of them. Sometimes none at all.

If this game is rigged or not, only the PCSO knows the truth. And this speculation is not new to us anymore. But most likely, since they always show transparency by having live draws, mostly these jackpot winners have only chosen their numbers randomly and they are just lucky enough to hit the winning combinations. Those 433 winners in one day might also be surprised knowing they’re too many of them who will share the jackpot prize.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on October 01, 2022, 07:59:14 PM

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0xogg6pv17aDJe94MQCYAaNiUdDpxnQFczyrY4Gaaf91BMhmarBtnx8p8iXWMZd4sl&id=100069066345193 (I just cropped the image to focus on the 6/55 draw)

It's a pretty odd observation to make about lottery numbers and most lotteries are rather simple to verify if the drawn is conducted in a transparent manner. Given enough time these sort of sequences would come up, the same has probably happened on the odd occasion with other numbers but nine happens to stand out rather more prominently due to the gap. You could have lottery balls 1,2,3,4,5,6 come out but it doesn't mean it's a fix - they have an equal chance of being drawn as any other set of balls if the lottery is done in the correct way. People associate certain numbers and patterns with malicious behavior but they are just random numbers in essence.

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It is possible but to have this pattern from 9x1 to 9x6 results plus this is Philippines. I'm not embarrassing my own country here but I think something is fishy with this one. It's rare to even have a three jackpot winner then now we have 433. Lmao. Given there's also an allegations of corruption in this agency. Now, i'm having a doubt and won't bet with this lottery.

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Incredible result for winners, just guess the multipliers of 9 and bingo!
It proves the point about patterns in random series in case of lottery result not rigged. Anyways, I am sure for next round players will go for multipliers of all numbers 🙂

They have been betting on the same number since then, and having that huge winners is rare probably but it’s still possible. Now, they are investigating this one and I’m sure this is correct since those winners will surely contest and probably, claim the reward right away. Though the lotto that is being managed by the government seems suspicious sometimes, many says they are just choosing someone to be the winner but in reality, there is none this is why many don’t believe on this.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on October 01, 2022, 07:59:14 PM

Yesterday, many people were surprised on the result of our lottery. The number that came out were are all divisible by nine. There are many speculations now that the lottery is rigged and the result was already fixed. It's just hard to believe that since they always do live draw to show transparency about the result. What do you think? Is this really possible in lottery?

It is possible in the lottery to have that kind of result. It maybe very slim but it is really possilbe. Every winning numbers have the same kind of percentage to appear. It is that it happens that the result is like that.

In terms of lottery being rigged. I think it happens but we have no proof about it so all we have is just rumors.

Quote from: Baofeng on October 02, 2022, 03:42:57 PM

Why? maybe those numbers have significance to them, age, birthday etc, so most likely probably. That's why I'm against the news that the Senate will involved themselves and try to investigate, geesh. Who will be their resource person? mathematicians and statisticians that will say that it is possible and what is the odds? Doesn't make sense to me.

They can check the machine and the weight of the balls, which probably had been fixed already lol. The senate just want to get the spotlight on this case. And their resource person will be those who are working on that agency lol. Besides I think there is always a government agency representative every lottery draw. I think this is another case that is a waste of resources.

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