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Topic: Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love? (Read 17833 times)

legendary
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What's there to understand? The bulk of Islamic States is an underdeveloped country, where the population is very poor. The only way to make it war or terrorism. It all depends on who and what they will order.

Look at countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. They are among the richest in the world. There are other rich Muslim nations as well, such as Brunei, Maldives, Turkey, and Malaysia. But their behavior is the same everywhere.
How much do you see of suicide perpetrators from these countries? Yes they sponsor terrorism, organize, but do not participate in a terrorist attack. They always have a chance to survive. It seems to me that they are all mediators between those who order the attacks and the terrorists.

Turkey did not participate in terrorist attacks?  So I guess assassination of Pope or more recently Russian Ambassador does not count as a terrorist attack? 

How about slaughter of Kurds and Armenians?  Does this qualify for your definition of a "terrorist" attack?
hero member
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A big big no! You were fooled by news and all media reports out there.
Fooled? Are you suggesting all these bombings, shootings and lorry rampages have been fabricated by the media?



The media only spread the news of bombings and shootings that occurred in Muslim-majority countries. The world was immediately react, the world immediately shook. Like when shooting in Paris, direct support emerged from around the world. But what about the bombings, massacres that occurred in Islamic countries like Palestine, Syria, the media did not spread, did not preach as much as their news about the shooting in Paris
member
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What's there to understand? The bulk of Islamic States is an underdeveloped country, where the population is very poor. The only way to make it war or terrorism. It all depends on who and what they will order.

Look at countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. They are among the richest in the world. There are other rich Muslim nations as well, such as Brunei, Maldives, Turkey, and Malaysia. But their behavior is the same everywhere.
How much do you see of suicide perpetrators from these countries? Yes they sponsor terrorism, organize, but do not participate in a terrorist attack. They always have a chance to survive. It seems to me that they are all mediators between those who order the attacks and the terrorists.
legendary
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What's there to understand? The bulk of Islamic States is an underdeveloped country, where the population is very poor. The only way to make it war or terrorism. It all depends on who and what they will order.

Look at countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. They are among the richest in the world. There are other rich Muslim nations as well, such as Brunei, Maldives, Turkey, and Malaysia. But their behavior is the same everywhere.
sr. member
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Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

I really dont know why  they always act like that? Is that maybe because they were also being abuse by the other religions they were being put on the lowest part always when we talk about religions or maybe because they just used to it.
What's there to understand? The bulk of Islamic States is an underdeveloped country, where the population is very poor. The only way to make it war or terrorism. It all depends on who and what they will order.
hero member
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Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

I really dont know why  they always act like that? Is that maybe because they were also being abuse by the other religions they were being put on the lowest part always when we talk about religions or maybe because they just used to it.
legendary
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And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

This has happened in my area as well. The Muslims in my country were quite normal people a few decades back. They were well integrated to the general population. But everything changed once the Saudi money started flowing.

Seems to be happening in Indonesia right now. What I'm seeing in the news don't seem to be a bad sign. I'm also seeing storm clouds in my country. Would probably fall once they've surpassed our numbers.

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.
All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.

Sigh, our scientists better hurry to find an oil alternative so the world can shift as soon as possible. Unfortunately it seems that the research are also being funded by oil companies, knowing what they're peddling is non-renewable. Might happen that we'll switch but they're still the ones making money.

In the mean time... I hope Venezuela get its act together. I wouldn't mind buying oil from them even if it'll be a bit more expensive because of transportation cost.

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism.
They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.
All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.

Thank the American Frackers.

I'd correct the above to add Iraq as a major exporter of radical Islamic terrorism.

I was wondering if Iran is as active as KSA in this field. I mean, if not for the nukes, maybe they'd be a better friend than KSA.
Sorry, I meant to say Iran.
But as others have mentioned, it seems to be related to the percentage of Muslims in the population.
When most of the country is Muslim, the country seems to behave very badly, exports and fund terrorism, has atrocious policies towards women, gays and others, including Christians.

hero member
Activity: 1764
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And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

This has happened in my area as well. The Muslims in my country were quite normal people a few decades back. They were well integrated to the general population. But everything changed once the Saudi money started flowing.

Seems to be happening in Indonesia right now. What I'm seeing in the news don't seem to be a bad sign. I'm also seeing storm clouds in my country. Would probably fall once they've surpassed our numbers.

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.
All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.

Sigh, our scientists better hurry to find an oil alternative so the world can shift as soon as possible. Unfortunately it seems that the research are also being funded by oil companies, knowing what they're peddling is non-renewable. Might happen that we'll switch but they're still the ones making money.

In the mean time... I hope Venezuela get its act together. I wouldn't mind buying oil from them even if it'll be a bit more expensive because of transportation cost.

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism.
They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.
All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.

Thank the American Frackers.

I'd correct the above to add Iraq as a major exporter of radical Islamic terrorism.

I was wondering if Iran is as active as KSA in this field. I mean, if not for the nukes, maybe they'd be a better friend than KSA.
sr. member
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I am sure there are all kind of fanatics on the world, but i think that the most of fanatics are in religion sector. And the largest fanatics groups are in Muslim religion. Why is that, I really do not know. I mean, i do not know there religion that well, but i do not think that there religion teach to kill people. Like in every religion its Human factor that its bad. But it can not be denied that Muslim fanatics are problem that must be dealt with.
legendary
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And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

This has happened in my area as well. The Muslims in my country were quite normal people a few decades back. They were well integrated to the general population. But everything changed once the Saudi money started flowing.
sr. member
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It seems to me that alternative energy sources are not specifically implemented not to cause an international incident. In Arab countries there is nothing but oil. How will they earn a living? They'll just stay go to capture the territory suitable for life or die.
legendary
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And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism.
They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.
All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.

Thank the American Frackers.

I'd correct the above to add Iraq as a major exporter of radical Islamic terrorism.
member
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And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.
All turn a blind eye only because they depend on oil. Now go to the global trends that demand for oil will fall and the price of black gold will decline accordingly. The Americans have caught these trends, and probably is linked to the decision by Trump to sell us oil. Then maybe the conversation will be different.
hero member
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And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.

Saudi don't yet have a civil war because they are the ones spreading radicalism. They donate a mosque to your area and you know what's coming next.  They've had a few attacks though but those are mostly targeted against the Shia minority there.

Like many gulf states, they were also quite good at stuffing their people's mouths with oil money to placate them. If that fails, then you go to jail, it's not like anyone or the international community would do anything. Everyone, even America, just turn a blind eye.
sr. member
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Another aspect of the islam : Seek carnal pleasures afterlife.
I don't follow any religion, but this seems pretty inappropriate.
member
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Dictatorship has its own policy, you can see what is happening in North Korea, Turkey and Syria. They chose to solve problem of their own country without intervention of other countries. Big mistake of USA is intervention in Iraq, after Saddam Hussein was killed, Iraq became country that constantly perform a civil war that's endless. You didn't notice?

In some instances a dictatorship is preferred to democratic rule. When the people are brainwashed and retarded, democracy doesn't really work. In such instances, military rule is better.
Why did you choose dictatorship? Maybe enough to pay more attention to education and to toughen the punishment? Dictatorship exists in almost all Muslim countries and this is not helping the fight against terrorism.
sr. member
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Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them.

There are well over a hundred Christian nations in the world and in everyone of them, Muslim minorities are living peacefully, without facing any persecution. But the reverse is not true for any of the 50+ Muslim nations.

Yes, Muslims live peacefully, if there are a majority of Christians around them. But the opposite does not work Smiley
legendary
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And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.

There are a few 100% Muslim countries around the world, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan.etc. All these countries are currently affected by civil war, perhaps with the exception of Saudi Arabia.
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Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....

Political change is a function of the militant minority, not the large silent majority.

I think most reading this thread understand perfectly well the large silent majority of Muslims (who MAY BE donating to Hamas, CAIR and other terrorist organisations) and the extremist minority of Muslims.

This is no different than wartime. One nation invades another. Say 10% of it's entire population is soldiers. 90% of the soldiers are doing supply, logistics and other necessary functions. 10% of the soldiers are on the front line. 10% of 10% is 1%.

THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.

Please do not present the argument "99% of that country is good peaceful people."

It's a blatant, complete lie.

The problem sir is that the majority "moderates" don't seem moderate at all. These people would support any movement to install Sharia - even if they are living in non-Muslim countries. Funny since changes like those would basically change the host country to look like the country they just fled.

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.
This is true. No doubt, only a minority who choose to act in such a way. Even so, thats a huge problem.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

I also hearded about a verse that say to stay peaceful when in minority, then, exterminate the enemy when in majority.
(I couldn't find this verse, so i don't know if it really says that.)

And then when the country's all Muslim, they start killing each other. Christians has been through this but at a time when WMDs are not available yet and Christian sects have all eventually reformed.
legendary
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Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....


THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.




Every time you write something you make every one reading you losing brain cells.

What you says is not only false, it's a perfect nonsense.
If it was 1% of the population that fought trying to invade another country then there wouldn't have been any invasion in history... Apart maybe when the invaded country is 100 times smaller.

As usual you try to compare things that can't be compared and you fail to use any kind of logic...

I just invite you to pick a war, whatever the war, see the number of soldiers and compare it to the actual population.

Why?

Consider France, invaded by Germany in 1940. Population was 39,000,000.
360,000 dead or wounded and 1,900,000 troops captured.  Total was 2,260,000.

Germany had 3,350,000 troops and 163,000 dead or wounded, IIRC they had about 80 million people in 1940.

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