Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love? - page 2.

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Quote from: Spendulus on April 30, 2017, 08:33:13 PM

Quote from: Yanisumin on April 30, 2017, 05:54:31 PM

Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....

THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.

Every time you write something you make every one reading you losing brain cells.

What you says is not only false, it's a perfect nonsense.
If it was 1% of the population that fought trying to invade another country then there wouldn't have been any invasion in history... Apart maybe when the invaded country is 100 times smaller.

As usual you try to compare things that can't be compared and you fail to use any kind of logic...

I just invite you to pick a war, whatever the war, see the number of soldiers and compare it to the actual population.

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Quote from: Userperson321 on April 30, 2017, 06:18:13 PM

Islam IS a religion of violence and exercises force to convert people of kill them, but people won't accept that because everyone is in denial and just want to ignore the almost weekly terrorist attacks in Europe from Muslims.

The Muslims have played the victim card so effectively, and they have efficiently used their collective bargaining power. In the western nations, it is OK to abuse any other religion. But if you say anything against Islam, then get ready to go to jail.

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Quote from: Yanisumin on April 30, 2017, 05:54:31 PM

Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.....

Political change is a function of the militant minority, not the large silent majority.

I think most reading this thread understand perfectly well the large silent majority of Muslims (who MAY BE donating to Hamas, CAIR and other terrorist organisations) and the extremist minority of Muslims.

This is no different than wartime. One nation invades another. Say 10% of it's entire population is soldiers. 90% of the soldiers are doing supply, logistics and other necessary functions. 10% of the soldiers are on the front line. 10% of 10% is 1%.

THUS 1% OF A COUNTRY IS ON THE FRONT LINES trying to take over the other country.

Please do not present the argument "99% of that country is good peaceful people."

It's a blatant, complete lie.

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Islam IS a religion of violence and exercises force to convert people of kill them, but people won't accept that because everyone is in denial and just want to ignore the almost weekly terrorist attacks in Europe from Muslims.

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Ive visited in my godfather home last month and talked about this stuff. Some of his friends are muslims but not practicing the idea of " hate and violence ". He explained to me ( I don't quite remember all of his explanation tho' ) that the muslims who practice hate and violence is the extremist muslim groups. Not all muslims are bad, and that applies to every religion.

Im not a muslim and Im not protecting them, I'm just explaining the statement of position. What the extremist are doing is really bad and immoral and violating the nature of life. Im not sure what is the seed of all of these conflicts killing and war. What we know is that were all human that forgotten our own humanity. Sad.
Isnt governments a home for the people of the countries that is losing their way? I cant see that these days. Religion is not just the problem here.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 20, 2017, 09:31:27 PM

Quote from: gabmen on March 20, 2017, 07:24:37 AM

Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them.

There are well over a hundred Christian nations in the world and in everyone of them, Muslim minorities are living peacefully, without facing any persecution. But the reverse is not true for any of the 50+ Muslim nations.

Side note: The Islamic "Caliphate" represents a sort of religious Utopia. Men have conceived of and written down rule sets for many utopias, I have an entire book on these concepts. None of these have ever worked, and none of them ever has.

If we conceive of the "Islamic Caliphate" as a flawed concept, although well meaning, of a utopia, then the matter is clarified. The Muslim nations attempt to implement their utopia, and the nations and the people then suffer.

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Quote from: gabmen on March 20, 2017, 07:24:37 AM

Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them.

There are well over a hundred Christian nations in the world and in everyone of them, Muslim minorities are living peacefully, without facing any persecution. But the reverse is not true for any of the 50+ Muslim nations.

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Quote from: Guzztsar on March 19, 2017, 06:57:49 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 18, 2017, 01:29:43 PM

Quote from: Guzztsar on March 17, 2017, 02:37:10 PM

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

This is true. No doubt, only a minority who choose to act in such a way. Even so, thats a huge problem.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

I also hearded about a verse that say to stay peaceful when in minority, then, exterminate the enemy when in majority.
(I couldn't find this verse, so i don't know if it really says that.)

Well imagine a large group of christians with very small minority of muslims among them. I think its going to be the same. There will be those who would want to divide people according to religion. I don't believe a bit that a large group of muslims would seek to harm non muslims. I've stayed in a muslim community for quite a time and we talk about their religion and mine and the similarities and differences but not once did they let me feel im different from them or any animosity between us

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 18, 2017, 01:29:43 PM

Quote from: Guzztsar on March 17, 2017, 02:37:10 PM

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

This is true. No doubt, only a minority who choose to act in such a way. Even so, thats a huge problem.
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

I also hearded about a verse that say to stay peaceful when in minority, then, exterminate the enemy when in majority.
(I couldn't find this verse, so i don't know if it really says that.)

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Quote from: youdacapt on March 19, 2017, 12:48:34 AM

Dictatorship has its own policy, you can see what is happening in North Korea, Turkey and Syria. They chose to solve problem of their own country without intervention of other countries. Big mistake of USA is intervention in Iraq, after Saddam Hussein was killed, Iraq became country that constantly perform a civil war that's endless. You didn't notice?

In some instances a dictatorship is preferred to democratic rule. When the people are brainwashed and retarded, democracy doesn't really work. In such instances, military rule is better.

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Quote from: youdacapt on March 19, 2017, 12:48:34 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on March 17, 2017, 11:21:20 AM

What utter nonsense. Islam isn't "targeted" by Westerners, Islamic extremists targeted Westerners for murder and mayhem, time after time after time. Then, Westerners examine Islam and comment about it. Such as is occurring here.

Dictatorship has its own policy, you can see what is happening in North Korea, Turkey and Syria. They chose to solve problem of their own country without intervention of other countries. Big mistake of USA is intervention in Iraq, after Saddam Hussein was killed, Iraq became country that constantly perform a civil war that's endless. You didn't notice?

Propaganda by term "help/examine" to kill the president will only cause greater disunity, here point in west to start war weapon business and other purposes camouflaged to take natural resources and weaken a particular religion. The hatred of a group people from countries that have being destroyed by other nations is what you now call a terrorist. I also don't agree with revenge/jihad, but this weakness continue to be utilized by other countries, taking advantage of emotion and hatred then take it as a terrorist.

Since 2000 there have been over 30,000 Islamic terror attacks.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

They occur all over the world, in all types of countries and for all types of reasons.

The one thing they have in common is that the perps were Muslims. Duh.

I conclude that Muslims, or a serious fraction of them, like to commit atrocities, like to kill, like to murder innocent babies and women. I conclude that they do this locally against whatever they think is an affront to them or their religion or whatever. Fuck, I really don't care what shit they think that makes them do this stuff.

Except, hey, guess what? It's Islam.

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 17, 2017, 11:21:20 AM

What utter nonsense. Islam isn't "targeted" by Westerners, Islamic extremists targeted Westerners for murder and mayhem, time after time after time. Then, Westerners examine Islam and comment about it. Such as is occurring here.

Dictatorship has its own policy, you can see what is happening in North Korea, Turkey and Syria. They chose to solve problem of their own country without intervention of other countries. Big mistake of USA is intervention in Iraq, after Saddam Hussein was killed, Iraq became country that constantly perform a civil war that's endless. You didn't notice?

Propaganda by term "help/examine" to kill the president will only cause greater disunity, here point in west to start war weapon business and other purposes camouflaged to take natural resources and weaken a particular religion. The hatred of a group people from countries that have being destroyed by other nations is what you now call a terrorist. I also don't agree with revenge/jihad, but this weakness continue to be utilized by other countries, taking advantage of emotion and hatred then take it as a terrorist.

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Quote from: Guzztsar on March 17, 2017, 02:37:10 PM

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

Forget 70%. There is not a single country where Muslims are more than 30% of the population, which is not having Islamic terror groups. Even in Thailand and Myanmar, where the Muslim population is only around 5%, we have Islamic terror groups.

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Quote from: Guzztsar on March 17, 2017, 02:37:10 PM

Is there a country with more than 70% of the population of Islam without terrorist groups?

This question is very difficult to answer. You see what's happening around. As ordinary people look at children, adult men and women of Muslims. They are looked upon as potential terrorists. As if they are all wearing a shahid belt under their clothes. But this is nonsense. Imagine how these people are hard from this public pressure.

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Is there a country with more than 70% of islam population without terrorist groups?

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Quote from: youdacapt on March 17, 2017, 12:29:32 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 16, 2017, 10:49:05 PM

Quote from: fuckitall on March 16, 2017, 10:02:08 AM

it's not only about islam every religion is the symbolism of peace and love...it's just that some greedy people use this as a tool to give rise to hatred and jealousy against other religious communities....and that's where terrorism is born

With other religions, I would agree with you. But can't agree on Islam. It is not "some greedy people" who are using it as a tool to rise hatred. On the other hand, the hatred is enshrined in the basic tenets of Islam.

You already fully influenced by propaganda of religion, every religion has a leftist or militant, and there's always a variety of different interpretations of verses or another sect which distorts scripture marking different versions.

Differences in religion flow used by missionaries for political provocation by looking for weaknesses to be destroyed from within. Incidentally currently being targeted is Islam, completely stripped and driven through political propaganda by western countries. What if the anti-christ cult or militants sect in your religion are stripped like Islam? there would be no difference. Peace is unity, if there are others that intervention would only cause great resentment.

What utter nonsense. Islam isn't "targeted" by Westerners, Islamic extremists targeted Westerners for murder and mayhem, time after time after time. Then, Westerners examine Islam and comment about it. Such as is occurring here.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 16, 2017, 10:49:05 PM

Quote from: fuckitall on March 16, 2017, 10:02:08 AM

it's not only about islam every religion is the symbolism of peace and love...it's just that some greedy people use this as a tool to give rise to hatred and jealousy against other religious communities....and that's where terrorism is born

With other religions, I would agree with you. But can't agree on Islam. It is not "some greedy people" who are using it as a tool to rise hatred. On the other hand, the hatred is enshrined in the basic tenets of Islam.

You already fully influenced by propaganda of religion, every religion has a leftist or militant, and there's always a variety of different interpretations of verses or another sect which distorts scripture marking different versions.

Differences in religion flow used by missionaries for political provocation by looking for weaknesses to be destroyed from within. Incidentally currently being targeted is Islam, completely stripped and driven through political propaganda by western countries. What if the anti-christ cult or militants sect in your religion are stripped like Islam? there would be no difference. Peace is unity, if there are others that intervention would only cause great resentment.

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Quote from: fuckitall on March 16, 2017, 10:02:08 AM

it's not only about islam every religion is the symbolism of peace and love...it's just that some greedy people use this as a tool to give rise to hatred and jealousy against other religious communities....and that's where terrorism is born

With other religions, I would agree with you. But can't agree on Islam. It is not "some greedy people" who are using it as a tool to rise hatred. On the other hand, the hatred is enshrined in the basic tenets of Islam.

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my own opinion is i have muslim friend but i dont think when he will kill me or something is the things you must proof or you believe in it

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 16, 2017, 04:41:00 PM

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Quote from: kidsuzudn on March 15, 2017, 08:58:13 PM

everyone has a life bro, anywhere in world have enough these things, hate, violence, love, peace....

Perhaps yes. But the difference is that here we have a religion, which preaches hate and violence instead of compassion and love. Does any other religion urge its followers to finish off the non-believers? Does any other religion offers 72 virgins to suicide bombers?

What Islam teaches is not exactly 72 virgins.

The promise of 72 is AFTER death.

It is a religion of death, not life.

Recently there was information that there is a ban on the wearing of Muslim women's cloaks or parchment by women. And they want to challenge this ban in a European court. After all, this infringes on their rights. What do you think about this?

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