Topic: Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love? - page 5. (Read 17895 times)

Do you think this is enough? Millions of them! If 500,000 of them will commit acts of terrorism then imagine what it would cause chaos! Do you think that they deserve loyalty? I think not. For me they are not worth even one life of innocent victims of terrorist attacks.

OK... Just 49% are violent. But the remaining 51% supports this violence, and offers them all the necessary help. But even if not all of them are violent, how can you make sure that only the non-violent ones are immigrating to the western nations?

Okay, maybe 49% are violent.

i think your static are wrong not over 50% of muslim are violence

Two wrongs don't make a right. What happened to the native Americans (not just in the US, but also to those in Mexico and the other Latin American nations) was genocide. I support the establishment of Oklahoma as an Amerindian sovereign territory. It is their land.

"illegal settlement?"

You realize what you are talking about is just regular commercial housing developments, right? 

Why don't your beloved Palestinians do some of their own regular commercial housing developments?

So if all Amerindians and their heirs decided to take 20% of USA and the whole world said "yeah USA do that" you would be ok with it?

I apologize. I will admit that landgrab was a strong an incorrect term. I reviewed your document (about 40 of the 400 pages). I will start off by saying the text is a bit biased towards Israel. Now, I differ with the description of the escalations leading up to the war. War was not inevitable at that point. I will admit that Arab forces did mobilize troops in advance of Israeli response. But was that response valid? We stood off with a nuclear super power (Russia) during the Cold War without a single shot fired. We came very close to war. and honestly, some of the covert shit that transpired is patently an act of war. But no one struck. Despite the posturing, despite the threats, we persisted without conflict.

So, I'm not mad at any country acting out in its self defense. You don't have to explain to me why a religious minority might feel threatened surrounded by hostile neighbors. But they cast the first stone. and despite how we may disagree about the origins of the conflict, can we not agree that the illegal settlement by Israel is a slap in the face of good faith peace efforts by both parties? How would you feel if an international court said you get to keep your land, but a foreign, invading government insisted on building permanent structures in said land, and housing its citizens there?

And let's talk about the escalation of force. Every time a rocket is fired at Israel, despite it's overwhelming military superiority, the response is highly escalated. rocket at Israel = throwing a rock at a behemoth. No casualties when the rock hits its mark, but the mortar that comes back is certain to take a life. Same with Palestinian extremist. They don't tend to get arrested, they tend to get killed. You live by the sword, you may die by the sword. I have no problem with that, I am a student of the Sword myself. The far right leaning Congress represented in Israel ATM is entirely too nationalistic. Given that the 6 day war happened and is not going to change, what is Israel going to do about its settlement issue? Clearly develop said properties in defiance of international opinion? Establish an apartheid? Because if the settlements do not stop, this conflict cannot be resolved.

And let me be.clear. this is not one sided. Israel has suffered many abuses at the hands of its neighbors. Many abuses that should not have been tolerated. But now that they have gained the upper hand (we cannot argue this), will they be the bigger man, as all our shared faiths dictate, or will they stew in spite and nationalistic pride?

While the faults of the situation may well indeed be Arab aggression, will Israel ever be the bigger man? Is that not what our common father (Abraham) has taught us? We have forgotten our fathers face. And that's all of us, Jews, Muslims, and Christians. That Israel has won , essentially, will they act like a leader instead of an enemy? We will never spread the Lord's message divided like this. Do you think the current state of affairs in Israel, is a godly course of a godly people? Because I see an extreme government/ideology that is hindering the path to peace.

Your thoughts?

You may feel some kind of way about an Arab. I don't. When I meet my maker in Heaven, I will have to answer for my deeds and words. I'll be damed if I am denied the Kingdom because I had hate in my heart for someone that  Ivdon't even fuck with on a daily basis. What I'm trying to say is, Israel's reaction to Arab aggression in the region has been over the top. We understand you don't like your neighbors. That's cool. But be civil about the shit. You don't get to subjugate someone just because you are are occupying them

FYI, "unprovoked land grab" does not correctly describe the events.  When a nation mobilizes for war, the evidence of it is obvious.  That's what Egypt was doing.

After the war, Israel was willing to cede almost all of the newly acquired land in a peace agreement.

But  these  hopes  were  dashed  in  August  1967  when  Arab  leaders  meeting in Khartoum  adopted a formula of three noes: “no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel, no recognition of Israel.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/mf2017.pdf#page=68

I don't understand. Israel was established in 1948. The six day war happened in 1967. There is hardly any connection between the two events. Jordan was not happy with their share of Palestine (85% of all land), which they got during the 1948 partition. They wanted 100%, and decided to attack Israel.

I disagree. See here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

From what I understand, while Israel was established, the unprovoked land grab that was the 6 day war is the reason for the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. And subsequent settlement of internationally disputed territory. Not saying they didn't have the right to feel threatened. But they threw the first stone, this is historical fact.

No one created a new country all of a sudden. Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews, and therefore after the WW2 it was decided to resettle the surviving Jews there. To accommodate the Arabs, Israel was partitioned in to two, with more than 80% of the area being allotted to the Muslim state (Jordan).

You missed one out  ..

Acts of faith: Why people get killed over blasphemy in Pakistan - In ...
herald.dawn.com/news/1153487
9 Jan 2017 - Acts of faith: Why people get killed over blasphemy in Pakistan ... An angry mob sets Christian homes on fire in Joseph Colony, Lahore, in 2013 .

Blasphemy Laws | PAKISTAN BLASPHEMY LAWS
www.pakistanblasphemylaw.com/?page_id=15
The Blasphemy law is a part of the Pakistan Penal Code, which was ... The law stipulated death penalty or life imprisonment for defiling the name of the prophet .

Christian woman sentenced to death under Pakistan's blasphemy law ...
Video for pakistan blasphemy law death penalty▶ 1:57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih297vOZ-a8


Why i mention this is because it just come on the news about 1 hour ago on the BBC 1 news About the
PAKISTAN BLASPHEMY LAWS..

Pakistan: 25,000 supporters of blasphemy law clash with police, set ...
https://www.jihadwatch.org/.../pakistan-25000-supporters-of-blasphemy-law-clash-wit...
29 Mar 2016 - Qadri told police he had killed the governor because he had spoken out against the blasphemy laws – at the time of the murder, thousands took .



WE ARE DEALING WITH BACKWARD CAVEMEN  .And this is what our governments want us to live with

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Got it!

Just as long as we're clear that you are redefining "peace" to be Peace excepting in the direction of

Israel
THE US
Western nations
The entire West
Gays
Thieves
Women
....

Well as the West attacked first... Yeah seems logical to me.

As far as I know, being peaceful doesn't mean accepting to get bombed daily and smiling for it.
It just means to not attack first.
Which they didn't.

How did you feel about the fact that in Muslim countries women are stoned to death or thieves cut off their hands or are forced to walk in a burqa? And there are many such examples.

Any religion teach people to do good things not bad.. is human being only not the religion

Yes yess! In the end, all people are stupid and should be eradicated from earth. A wise man once said;

"Brothers, oh brothers, my days here are done,
the Dornishman's taken my life,
But what does it matter, for all men must die,
and I've tasted the Dornishman's wife!"

It seems to me that it is not a religion. It's the lack of punishment for actions. There are UN troops, NATO. Other countries can join. Each case of terrorist attack or promote hateful ideas must result in a military invasion of the country and cleansing the area from the radicals.

SINCE the religions were all written down by men, isn't your assertion tautological?