I listened to the Quran on audiobook once, it was awful. One long rant of us vs them fight fight fight. When your religion deigns a violent pedophile as the ideal man to emulate and the prophet of God, you're going to have problems with the people who follow his teachings.
Interesting idea, to listen to the junk on audio book rather than try reading it. 
Topic: Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love? - page 10. (Read 17882 times)
February 15, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
February 15, 2017, 04:11:28 PM
I listened to the Quran on audiobook once, it was awful. One long rant of us vs them fight fight fight. When your religion deigns a violent pedophile as the ideal man to emulate and the prophet of God, you're going to have problems with the people who follow his teachings.
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February 15, 2017, 04:05:40 PM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
Easy to talk about liberal topics when it does not concern you. Do you tell Christians who live in Syria or tell those Europeans whose relatives died in the terrorist attacks, and unable to tell the victims of the September 11 attacks!When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
My argument here is that fighting a war against Muslims is a poor idea because Muslims are victims themselves. If they feel victimised by Christians they may turn to extremism themselves, just as Christians feeling victimised has lead to neo-Nazis and the "alt right" which usually wage war on Muslims.
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February 15, 2017, 03:59:51 PM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.
February 15, 2017, 11:46:24 AM
Now is not the Turks and Syrian migrants captured European countries. Europe itself takes them to yourself and not resist. I'm afraid that if they will behave like barbarians, it can cause the growth of fascist ideology in Europe.
If this was happening in the 1930s or the 1940s, then I could have agreed with you. But the younger generation of the Europeans have been completely brainwashed by the leftist-liberal propaganda. Those who resist this brainwashing is branded as extremists and harassed by the left-wing nuts. There will be not much of a reaction, even if the Muslims behead natives in the open.
February 15, 2017, 11:39:15 AM
Now is not the Turks and Syrian migrants captured European countries. Europe itself takes them to yourself and not resist. I'm afraid that if they will behave like barbarians, it can cause the growth of fascist ideology in Europe.
If this was happening in the 1930s or the 1940s, then I could have agreed with you. But the younger generation of the Europeans have been completely brainwashed by the leftist-liberal propaganda. Those who resist this brainwashing is branded as extremists and harassed by the left-wing nuts. There will be not much of a reaction, even if the Muslims behead natives in the open.
February 15, 2017, 10:45:24 AM
Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back.
And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?
And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?
Last time, it didn't worked out that well for them. They (Ottoman Empire) invaded Europe, and tried to impose the Islamic culture on the Europeans. The native males were forcibly recruited in to the Ottoman army, while the most beautiful native women were shipped to Anatolia, to serve in the harems of ugly Turks. Eventually, the natives drove off the Muslim invaders (with the help from the Russian Empire).
This time, they are trying a different approach. Now it is an indirect invasion through the demographic Jihad.
February 15, 2017, 09:30:53 AM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.
And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?
Lol
Sure! Muslims started all this!
Clearly they were the first invaders.
What? The Christian Roman Empire? What is that?
Get back to History classes man. Muslims took the opportunity of the fall of the CHRISTIAN roman empire to take back the lands that romans conquered.
February 15, 2017, 01:46:51 AM
Minor correction, Muslims seized and ruled western lands through War, and Christians started the Crusades to get them back.
And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?
And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?
Last time, it didn't worked out that well for them. They (Ottoman Empire) invaded Europe, and tried to impose the Islamic culture on the Europeans. The native males were forcibly recruited in to the Ottoman army, while the most beautiful native women were shipped to Anatolia, to serve in the harems of ugly Turks. Eventually, the natives drove off the Muslim invaders (with the help from the Russian Empire).
This time, they are trying a different approach. Now it is an indirect invasion through the demographic Jihad.
February 14, 2017, 10:10:43 PM
I feel Islam as a whole is a religion of peace, but a large number of terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims in places where Muslims are the minority anyway like the United States. People will always default to saying "No, Muslims didn't even commit as many attacks as Caucasians in the US" well yes they didn't but they committed a good amount of attacks based on the percentage of population they hold in the United States.
It's something that Islam has to look at and see what is causing this, because most Muslims I know are nice people but they get a bad reputation because of all this.
It's something that Islam has to look at and see what is causing this, because most Muslims I know are nice people but they get a bad reputation because of all this.
February 14, 2017, 04:40:19 PM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.
And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?
February 14, 2017, 03:53:14 PM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.
And now the Muslims are getting aggressive again, aren't they?
February 14, 2017, 12:25:45 PM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.
February 14, 2017, 12:17:50 PM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
I don't agree with you.
If you read bible, specially New Testament, you will see that Jesus talked about peace, love, forgiveness etc.
In Quran, Mohamed talked also about love and peace and Jihad originally didn't mean war against others but fight to become better believer and better person.
Unfortunately, most believers don't read holy books and don't understand their own religion.
Some priests manipulate with people and share the message of fear and hate instead of peace, love and forgiveness.
So, true Islam and true Christianity don't talk about hate and violence.
February 14, 2017, 12:15:14 PM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
Easy to talk about liberal topics when it does not concern you. Do you tell Christians who live in Syria or tell those Europeans whose relatives died in the terrorist attacks, and unable to tell the victims of the September 11 attacks! When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
February 14, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
Islam is no more about hate and death then the bible, but people tend to see what they want to see.
the koran or Qu'ran is the holy book of Islam, however if you study religion you will know that every monotheistic religion has the exact same events, the exact same teachings, and in many cases believed to be the exact same god, just perceived by different cultures. in other words Alah is God, the hat shown by some radical Islamic terrorists is the same as the hate shown by those who are christian. even their convert or die scheme, it is very reminiscent of the Spanish crusades.
therefore their radicalism is like the westboro baptist church, drastically misinterpreting the holy book to support their agenda.
the koran states Chapter 3, verse 172, of the Koran: "Of those who answered the call of Allah and the messenger, even after being wounded, those who do right and refrain from wrong have a great reward."
in Chapter 2, Verse 190: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors." which states never attack, but defend with your lives. only fight those who come to you with war.
in Chapter 5, Verse 32: "f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people." which states that if you kill someone who has not killed, you have killed the sanctity of humanity.
in chapter 8, Verse 61: "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace."
the Quran finds all life sacred, and teachers the people who believe in other religions are also worthy of alah, but will go to hell unless they believe before they die.
sounds an awful lot like the bible.
so is Islam about peace and love? or hate and fear? you can ask the same question of Christians. but just because some are hateful doesn't mean all are. because some kill in the name of their god doesn't mean all do.
The purpose of religion is so people can feel that their life has meaning, because without religion we feel empty, if there is no god then there is no reason to life. and that scares us. so because people put their faith in religion as a meaning for their actions does not mean that they are not still filled with hate and fear. and we all know that causes violence and death. if someone wants to kill they will find a reason to do so. whether it be through "self defense" or "religion" or "military action" they will find a reason to kill.
the koran or Qu'ran is the holy book of Islam, however if you study religion you will know that every monotheistic religion has the exact same events, the exact same teachings, and in many cases believed to be the exact same god, just perceived by different cultures. in other words Alah is God, the hat shown by some radical Islamic terrorists is the same as the hate shown by those who are christian. even their convert or die scheme, it is very reminiscent of the Spanish crusades.
therefore their radicalism is like the westboro baptist church, drastically misinterpreting the holy book to support their agenda.
the koran states Chapter 3, verse 172, of the Koran: "Of those who answered the call of Allah and the messenger, even after being wounded, those who do right and refrain from wrong have a great reward."
in Chapter 2, Verse 190: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors." which states never attack, but defend with your lives. only fight those who come to you with war.
in Chapter 5, Verse 32: "f anyone slew a person—unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land—it would be as if he slew the whole people. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people." which states that if you kill someone who has not killed, you have killed the sanctity of humanity.
in chapter 8, Verse 61: "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace."
the Quran finds all life sacred, and teachers the people who believe in other religions are also worthy of alah, but will go to hell unless they believe before they die.
sounds an awful lot like the bible.
so is Islam about peace and love? or hate and fear? you can ask the same question of Christians. but just because some are hateful doesn't mean all are. because some kill in the name of their god doesn't mean all do.
The purpose of religion is so people can feel that their life has meaning, because without religion we feel empty, if there is no god then there is no reason to life. and that scares us. so because people put their faith in religion as a meaning for their actions does not mean that they are not still filled with hate and fear. and we all know that causes violence and death. if someone wants to kill they will find a reason to do so. whether it be through "self defense" or "religion" or "military action" they will find a reason to kill.
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February 14, 2017, 11:50:25 AM
Like Christianity, Jeudaism and most other major religions, Islam is founded on principles of violence (and more so, intolerance). However this should not be used to attack the people who follow the religion. The vast majority of Muslims in the West are tolerant people and if you dislike religious people based on just one part of their character you ignore the rest of their lives.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
When people go and protest against Islam or against Muslims they are harbouring a battle because innocent people, rightly, feel personally attacked. This creates a cycle of hatred which potentially results in violence and more hatred between two sides who both believe they have a moral high ground when neither ever did.
February 14, 2017, 11:00:58 AM
If you know Islam started from the first Human "Adam"
ROFL. So the first human being was a Muslim? Show some evidence to prove your claim. Was he circumcised? Did he prayed five times a day? I would believe you if you could show me the remains of the mosque, where he offered prayers.
February 14, 2017, 10:52:56 AM
If you know Islam started from the first Human "Adam"
ROFL. So the first human being was a Muslim? Show some evidence to prove your claim. Was he circumcised? Did he prayed five times a day? I would believe you if you could show me the remains of the mosque, where he offered prayers.
February 14, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
There are some progressive teachings in Islam, such as Sufism. But most of muslims have stuck in the Middle Ages.
Sufism evolved out of Islamic interactions with the oriental religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism.etc). Some people regard Sufism as a mixture of Islam and Pre-Islamic religion. Perhaps that is the reason why it is progressive.
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