Topic: Isn't Islam a religion of hate and violence, not peace and love? - page 14. (Read 17895 times)

I don't think anything like that is true.  But I recognize that in the foggy, indoctrinated brain of some Muslims they may have conceptualized of "The West" as an entity and actively fight it.  I believe this is objectively false, though, and the result of misconceptions.

Still, if in your indoctrinated mind you see "The Caliphate" and "The OTHER" then you fight or bomb "The OTHER" and arguably it makes sense to the indoctrinated mind.

In that case just don't complain or play victim when "The OTHER" comes done on you like a hammer on a nail.

So... We should be violent idiotic criminals because they do the same?
Much logic, Wow, Very human

Oh and I could give you a bunch of majority Muslim and oficialy Muslim countries where non-Muslims are treated very well:
-Mayotte: 97% Muslim but you can go wearing Western style clothes without problem at all
-Morocco: 99% Muslims, no real discrimination or violence (at least not more as in our developed countries)
-Indonesia: 90% Muslims, one of the most peaceful countries in the world
-Kuwait: 96% Muslims, even separated in 2 Muslims groups but never had violence linked to religion.

But I guess it's easier to focus on Syria while forgetting that our interventions might not help them become "peaceful".

Some predominantly Muslim countries allow the practice of all religions. Of these, some limit this freedom with bans on proselytizing or conversion, or restrictions on the building of places of worship; others (such as Mali) have no such restrictions. In practice, the situation of non-Muslim minorities depends not only on the law, but on local practices, which may vary.[citation needed]

Some countries are predominantly Muslim and allow freedom of religion adhering to democratic principles. Of particular note are the following countries:[17]

Indonesia and Malaysia have a significant population from the Hindu, Christian and Buddhist religions. They are allowed to practice their religions[citation needed], build places of worship and even have missionary schools and organizations but with limitation of such practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions

Seems so, at least Popcorn1 is putting on an equal feet the kingdoms of West world and the kingdoms of the Middle East.
Would you say that today it's not the contrary? Huge and powerful kingdoms of the West and little Middle Eastern kingdoms attacking the West as "barely a pinprick on the Muslim Capitalistic world".

If you don't think that the West has created its own kingdom you're even more stupid as you seem

At times I contemplate on the old days where belief systems and religion are really much more simple. Given what you just said, can we say that those people did not at all experience this chance to have peace.

True Muslims can't have a peaceful world to live in. The Koran won't let them. Why not, especially when the Koran talks peace among the Muslim brotherhood? Because of this.

The Koran tells Muslims to kill any Muslim who changes his religion. This means that a Muslim can never make a mistake in his religion. If he does, he must fear that his Muslim brothers will think that he is changing religions, and that they should kill him. Not much peace there. But it gets worse.

What if a Muslim doesn't KNOW that he is doing something wrong against his religion. Or what if somebody mistakenly tells him he is doing wrong when he really isn't. In either case, the accuser gets a bunch of other Muslims together, and if they agree with the accuser, they execute their brother Muslim.

The point? There is fear in Islam. On the outside it looks peaceful. But the appearance of peace is only Stockholm Syndrome peace. Down underneath there is fear. No peace in fear.

So does terrorism have as a primary motivation the fight for a world wide Caliphate?

Ok so I guess it's like terrorism today.

After all all you're saying to excuse crusades can be applied to terrorism of today.
Seems stupid no? Well not as stupid as your argument though.

OK.. name a single Muslim majority nation, which allows non-Muslims to live like humans. Even the so called "developed" Muslim nations such as Turkey and Malaysia also discriminates heavily against non-Muslims. But Muslim minorities living in Christian nations are very quick to play the victim card.

Whatever a person believes and lives is his/her religion. Check out a comprehensive definition of the word "religion."

It is not about the religion, it is all about what we are going to believe in. It is about what we going to think, what is bad and good. It is about your own thinking, it is not about the religion. Religion is only what we are going to believe, what we are to going to be in our eternal life.

Your point is pure religious heresy. To put All eggs in one basket do not work here. A mans believe preached as real technological innovation is not a religious heresy. A mans believe preached based on power of religious tales of manipulation is a religious heresy.

If you did not comprehend these simple sentences. I can break them like that:
If you preach to use bitcoin it is not a religious heresy but a statement to believe in reality.
If you preach to come to church or what ever to listen tales and do what ever priest tells you to do is just a believe based on religious heresy.

We are not perfect but have a very weak characters, original sin as explained in the holy books.
So, each person can go good or bad, based on his own character, or external influence in society etc.
We can't say that someone is good person because he is christian and other is bad person,m because he is Muslim.
We have good or bad Christians and good or bad Muslims based on their character only, not their religion, nationality, race etc.
It's important to follow our original mind, given by God, and respect other people around us.

Muslims need also a peaceful world where they can live happily not all muslims do violence and worst suicide bombing i know they can't do it without a bless to the goverment and goverment is just making money to make war to the isis And Isis hate catholic thats why most of people are being killed.

A little history lesson:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire

The crusades were a response by the Catholics in Europe (and not just those in the Roman Empire) to take back the lands which were recently conquered by the Muslims. A part of the Christian military force was drawn from the regions which recently went under Muslim rule.

Always fascinating when the Muslim tries to play the "I'm a VICTIM" card.

Historians disagree about what to include as 'the Crusades', but a sensible list would include:

1096‒1099 First Crusade..
First an army of peasants led by Peter the Hermit set off for the Holy Land. They were massacred by the Turks..
An army of knights followed, led by Godfrey of Bouillon, which captured Jerusalem in 1099. The Crusaders massacred the Muslims until, it was said, the streets ran with blood.

1145‒1149 Second Crusade..
King Louis VII of France invaded the Holy Land, but was defeated at Damascus.

1189‒1192 Third Crusade..
In 1187, the Muslim ruler Saladin had recaptured Jerusalem.
The Crusaders (who included King Richard I of England) captured the port of Acre. But they quarrelled, and failed to capture Jerusalem.
On the way home, Richard was kidnapped.

1202-1204 Fourth Crusade..
The Pope wanted to unite western and eastern Christians under his authority. He diverted this Crusade, with the help of Venice, and captured Constantinople in 1204. Christians fought Christians.

1212 Children's Crusade..
An army of young people set off on Crusade.
They were kidnapped and sold as slaves.

1217‒1250 Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Crusades..
All failed.

1396
Battle of Nicopolis sometimes called the 'last' Crusade
An army of French and Hungarian knights was massacred. Some historians refer to it as the 'last' Crusade..

Catholic Roman Empire started them ..
No they never they went to help the Christians that were already there to stop the muslims from killing them all ..

In the Middle Ages, the Muslim world stretched from India to Spain, including Jerusalem and the Holy Land. It was scientifically and culturally ahead of the Christian countries of western Europe.
By 1070, more and more Turkish nomads were settling in the Christian Byzantine Empire and the Byzantines felt threatened by this. Then, from 1087 onwards, Turks stopped Christian pilgrims from entering Jerusalem.

The Muslim religion was founded by the Prophet Muhammad in Arabia in the 600s. Its followers believed in the new religion, Islam, and the Muslim empire grew rapidly. By 732 Muslims had conquered most of the Middle East, North Africa and Spain.

It would be too simplistic to see the Crusades as an attack by powerful westerners on the Muslims of the Middle East. In fact, one historian has described the Crusades as barely a pinprick on the Muslim world.
The Muslim world was politically and militarily the greatest force on earth, much greater than the tiny kingdoms of Western Europe. It was also far more scientifically and culturally advanced.

In 1071, Muslim Turks defeated the army of the Byzantine Empire at the Battle of Manzikert and Turkish nomads settled in the Christian Byzantine Empire. In 1095, the Emperor of Byzantium appealed to Pope Urban II for help. Pope Urban II asked the knights of Europe to go on a pilgrimage which later became regarded as the first Crusade to win back Jerusalem for Christianity.

An army of knights and nobles captured Jerusalem in 1099. It was claimed that the Crusaders killed the Muslims until the streets ran with blood. The loss of Jerusalem was a terrible blow to the Muslims. For them, Jerusalem was, and still is, the third holy city of Islam.
The Crusaders took over the two Muslim sacred buildings, the Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock. They deeply offended the Muslims by the way they behaved in them.
Christians in Spain began to move southwards and recapture lands that had once been Christian from the Muslims.

From the beginning Roman religion was polytheistic. From an initial array of gods and spirits, Rome added to this collection to include both Greek gods as well as a number of foreign cults...

It's like me in my country starting a new religion I.E Christianity then someone from another country invades my land which was the Muslims who invaded the Christian Byzantine..
So who is in the right the Christians or the muslims ?..
REMEMBER it's my land i started the religion in my own land..

Now when you talk about the Romans that's another history lesson..
BUT YOU SAID THE CRUSADES ..And the muslims started it first ..
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OK YOU NEVER SAID CRUSADES ..Sorry ..

But just a history lesson for you ..

Oh ok I understand.

So again Muslim didn't started the crusades, Catholic Roman Empire started them.

And for your quote, I wasn't talking about the crusade here but answering to Spendulus and how he just avoided to answer my posts as soon as they have facts and data in them.

My point is that all people live their religion, no matter what their religion is. Religion is in the life of every person, because people are religious beings.

A person who says that he has no religion, has a religion of non-religion.