Now, this Crimean crisis actually can open the door to this - one thing Russia assumes is that Europe is dependent on its gas. But, Israel may be able to start exporting gas to Europe - and this may alleviate the leverage Russia has.
Till then - how the US handles the current crisis may flag the end of our leadership in the West - to be replaced by a European organization that realizes the US cannot be counted on as in the past.
Topic: Israel's future war: War of God and Magog (Read 2791 times)
As past prophecies (from the Bible) have come true, so will those yet future.
One is this upcoming war involving Israel, Iran, and Russia (or whatever nation is in the uttermost north of Israel - currently and for sometime Russia), and other nations noted.
One is this upcoming war involving Israel, Iran, and Russia (or whatever nation is in the uttermost north of Israel - currently and for sometime Russia), and other nations noted.
On that note, regarding whether passages in Revelation refer to the US - I have also heard some say this refers to the US (because of the mention of eagles). I think it is reading into it, but, given the interesting question of the future of the US on this type of thing......
From Rev12:
14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
From Rev12:
14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
Oh, it does, and as I said, I need to again review it. Nor can I say that they are wrong. Just that, my first impression is that it seemed a bit stretched. Thanks again.The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
And, unlike other sections of the Bible, prophecy seems like it can be harder in general to decipher. The illustration that comes to mind is giving someone directions. Many times, several of the steps in the directions do not make sense till you get to that point.
The US military has a large number of Christians, I have heard - if so, it would be crippling, though not necessarily a death blow.They do not believe in that kind of rapture (obviously) or as you say it wouldn't fit .
Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
Oh, it does, and as I said, I need to again review it. Nor can I say that they are wrong. Just that, my first impression is that it seemed a bit stretched. Thanks again.The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
And, unlike other sections of the Bible, prophecy seems like it can be harder in general to decipher. The illustration that comes to mind is giving someone directions. Many times, several of the steps in the directions do not make sense till you get to that point.
The US military has a large number of Christians, I have heard - if so, it would be crippling, though not necessarily a death blow.They do not believe in that kind of rapture (obviously) or as you say it wouldn't fit .
Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
Oh, it does, and as I said, I need to again review it. Nor can I say that they are wrong. Just that, my first impression is that it seemed a bit stretched. Thanks again.The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
And, unlike other sections of the Bible, prophecy seems like it can be harder in general to decipher. The illustration that comes to mind is giving someone directions. Many times, several of the steps in the directions do not make sense till you get to that point.
Yeah, well it's all about what makes most more sense to the believer, but this source doesn't force it's beliefs, it simply states them. They'd be the last to want to impose govt in any way to apply their beliefs in any way, from what I see.
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
The ones who think revelation has already been fulfilled has a name, just can't think of it, but it's an old belief, around the time of Luther I think
Thought since you brought up the subject of the US in prophecy it might interest you .
Can it really be true? America in Bible prophecy - absolutely! When you think about it, it makes sense that the most powerful and influential nation on earth will play a vital role in the final stunning events of the world's closing history. But even more surprises await you as the Bible reveals how the leading nation of the world came to exist and why! Please read Revelation 13:11-18 http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Revelation%2013.11-18 before beginning this guide, because these eight verses give a prophetic picture of America in the days ahead.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
Thanks. That is a bit long, so I will try and look after work tomorrow.As an aside (you probably know) - there are also seventh day Baptists. Usually do not hear much about them.
On the Baptists - I am not referring to them overall, but sub group of Baptists that are 7th day folk. Focusing on Saturday instead of Sunday as the day of worship (as do most Baptists). Not sure how big a group they are.
I know, for example, there are those who argue that the events of Revelation have already happened. I even read a short fictional serious by one of its proponents (similiar to the Left Behind type of thing, except from their view that it happened inthe 1st century). Enjoyed it, very interesting, and included some interesting historical data. And they also bring up scripture to support it.
So, got one set of folk (Left Behind, etc) having scripture and the other (1st Century type of folk) with their scriptural quotes. And, the quotes by themselves - in both cases can make sense.
Can it really be true? America in Bible prophecy - absolutely! When you think about it, it makes sense that the most powerful and influential nation on earth will play a vital role in the final stunning events of the world's closing history. But even more surprises await you as the Bible reveals how the leading nation of the world came to exist and why! Please read Revelation 13:11-18 http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Revelation%2013.11-18 before beginning this guide, because these eight verses give a prophetic picture of America in the days ahead.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
Thanks. That is a bit long, so I will try and look after work tomorrow.As an aside (you probably know) - there are also seventh day Baptists. Usually do not hear much about them.
On the Baptists - I am not referring to them overall, but sub group of Baptists that are 7th day folk. Focusing on Saturday instead of Sunday as the day of worship (as do most Baptists). Not sure how big a group they are.
Can it really be true? America in Bible prophecy - absolutely! When you think about it, it makes sense that the most powerful and influential nation on earth will play a vital role in the final stunning events of the world's closing history. But even more surprises await you as the Bible reveals how the leading nation of the world came to exist and why! Please read Revelation 13:11-18 http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Revelation%2013.11-18 before beginning this guide, because these eight verses give a prophetic picture of America in the days ahead.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
Thanks. That is a bit long, so I will try and look after work tomorrow.As an aside (you probably know) - there are also seventh day Baptists. Usually do not hear much about them.
On the Baptists - I am not referring to them overall, but sub group of Baptists that are 7th day folk. Focusing on Saturday instead of Sunday as the day of worship (as do most Baptists). Not sure how big a group they are.
Can it really be true? America in Bible prophecy - absolutely! When you think about it, it makes sense that the most powerful and influential nation on earth will play a vital role in the final stunning events of the world's closing history. But even more surprises await you as the Bible reveals how the leading nation of the world came to exist and why! Please read Revelation 13:11-18 http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Revelation%2013.11-18 before beginning this guide, because these eight verses give a prophetic picture of America in the days ahead.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
Thanks. That is a bit long, so I will try and look after work tomorrow.As an aside (you probably know) - there are also seventh day Baptists. Usually do not hear much about them.
Can it really be true? America in Bible prophecy - absolutely! When you think about it, it makes sense that the most powerful and influential nation on earth will play a vital role in the final stunning events of the world's closing history. But even more surprises await you as the Bible reveals how the leading nation of the world came to exist and why! Please read Revelation 13:11-18 http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Revelation%2013.11-18 before beginning this guide, because these eight verses give a prophetic picture of America in the days ahead.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
Thanks. That is a bit long, so I will try and look after work tomorrow.As an aside (you probably know) - there are also seventh day Baptists. Usually do not hear much about them.
Can it really be true? America in Bible prophecy - absolutely! When you think about it, it makes sense that the most powerful and influential nation on earth will play a vital role in the final stunning events of the world's closing history. But even more surprises await you as the Bible reveals how the leading nation of the world came to exist and why! Please read Revelation 13:11-18 http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Revelation%2013.11-18 before beginning this guide, because these eight verses give a prophetic picture of America in the days ahead.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4998/t/the-usa-in-bible-prophecy..aspx
An aside to the biblical predictions regarding the future attack on Israel - but related, and given current events, worth considering.
Not familiar myself, and I hope to review the passages, but for now, it was noted in piece by Joel Rosenberg that Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 foretell the utter destruction and annihilation of the city of Damascus in the End Times.
Isaiah 17 does refer to Damascus - I don't know the context overall, don't know if Damascus has been a ruinous heap in the past.Not familiar myself, and I hope to review the passages, but for now, it was noted in piece by Joel Rosenberg that Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 foretell the utter destruction and annihilation of the city of Damascus in the End Times.
Jeremiah 49 notes Babylon, so not sure what the writer had in mind today.
I did see an article heading about some concern that this Syrian conflict could trigger a world war - it could, but I don't think it will. Ugly situation, and kind of a damn if you do and damn if you do not type of situation, it seems.
An aside to the biblical predictions regarding the future attack on Israel - but related, and given current events, worth considering.
Not familiar myself, and I hope to review the passages, but for now, it was noted in piece by Joel Rosenberg that Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 foretell the utter destruction and annihilation of the city of Damascus in the End Times.
Isaiah 17 does refer to Damascus - I don't know the context overall, don't know if Damascus has been a ruinous heap in the past.Not familiar myself, and I hope to review the passages, but for now, it was noted in piece by Joel Rosenberg that Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 foretell the utter destruction and annihilation of the city of Damascus in the End Times.
Jeremiah 49 notes Babylon, so not sure what the writer had in mind today.
I did see an article heading about some concern that this Syrian conflict could trigger a world war - it could, but I don't think it will. Ugly situation, and kind of a damn if you do and damn if you do not type of situation, it seems.
Both sides are killed in 99% of cases only innocent people, so I do not support this war , and all those "leader" responsible should be punished strictest possible! Because we are all brothers and sisters!
An aside to the biblical predictions regarding the future attack on Israel - but related, and given current events, worth considering.
Not familiar myself, and I hope to review the passages, but for now, it was noted in piece by Joel Rosenberg that Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 foretell the utter destruction and annihilation of the city of Damascus in the End Times.
Not familiar myself, and I hope to review the passages, but for now, it was noted in piece by Joel Rosenberg that Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 foretell the utter destruction and annihilation of the city of Damascus in the End Times.
Usual words of wisdom on the subject, LOL.
As noted, the current Iranian crisis is not what is thought to be referenced by the passage here in question. It may an event that eventually leads up to it.
But, it is interesting that, in the book of Esther, permission was given by the Persian king to annihilate the Jews. In his defense, he had no idea what people he had signed the death warrant for (such was the arrogance commonly found in such high office), but was done at the behest of Haman whom the Persian king had advanced, and who was extremely anti semitic.
As noted, the current Iranian crisis is not what is thought to be referenced by the passage here in question. It may an event that eventually leads up to it.
But, it is interesting that, in the book of Esther, permission was given by the Persian king to annihilate the Jews. In his defense, he had no idea what people he had signed the death warrant for (such was the arrogance commonly found in such high office), but was done at the behest of Haman whom the Persian king had advanced, and who was extremely anti semitic.
I want to add something, just having had a discussion with my wife that reminded me of this.
I think dispensational thinking is the best explanation of what we read in the Bible. But it itself, unlke the Bible, is not the Word of God. So, what I think can and does happen sometimes is that seeing this pattern in the Bible, is to then read into the BIble certain sections that do not fit smoothly into it.
Off hand, as an example off hand, when in Rev 4, the Apostle John is told to come up here (heaven), to equate that with the rapture is stretching it. I don't think someone would get that just reading those passages; I think the thinking is that if one comes to the conclusion that the rapture is before the tribulation, and seeing Rev 4 as the transition to the tribulation, one then assumes the satement (come up here) is referring to the rapture.
Now, that can happen with even non dispensational approaches.
I don't see Rev 4 telling us anything about when the rapture is, but we do see it is when Christ returns and everything is pretty much burned up and laid to waste. Don't see anyone hanging around after that for anymore tribulation. It bold relates to the last part of your postI think dispensational thinking is the best explanation of what we read in the Bible. But it itself, unlke the Bible, is not the Word of God. So, what I think can and does happen sometimes is that seeing this pattern in the Bible, is to then read into the BIble certain sections that do not fit smoothly into it.
Off hand, as an example off hand, when in Rev 4, the Apostle John is told to come up here (heaven), to equate that with the rapture is stretching it. I don't think someone would get that just reading those passages; I think the thinking is that if one comes to the conclusion that the rapture is before the tribulation, and seeing Rev 4 as the transition to the tribulation, one then assumes the satement (come up here) is referring to the rapture.
Now, that can happen with even non dispensational approaches.
2 Peter 3;10;11;12;13
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.11Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
It is one thing finding a pattern in the Bible that leads to developing an explanation (convenant theology, dispensational theology, whatever), it is another to then make that the Standard (not the Bible) to the point of reading into Scripture that theology.
Here is the verse in Rev4 that I have read that some (not all) dispensationalists say reference the rapture:
1 After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, [a voice] as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter.
To use an illustration overall -a fork may prove better than most tools for handling one's food, but, it aint gonna work for soup.
Anyway, a thought - what is the 'Word of God is the Bible, not the systems imposed on it, is my point. Ultimately, it is best to be able to talk to the Author about it, and test it where applicable also (with future prophecy, that is harder).
Fortunately, most is rather plainly understood regardless of what approach one takes - as far as what we need to do to be saved, and what pleases the Lord in our daily walk.
My thought for the day, LOL!
Anyway, a thought - what is the 'Word of God is the Bible, not the systems imposed on it, is my point. Ultimately, it is best to be able to talk to the Author about it, and test it where applicable also (with future prophecy, that is harder).
Fortunately, most is rather plainly understood regardless of what approach one takes - as far as what we need to do to be saved, and what pleases the Lord in our daily walk.
My thought for the day, LOL!
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