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As long as they are anonymous, it is always possible for them to make an exit scam anytime. I already saw many platforms not just gambling made an exit scam even though they were already operating for few years. I think the reason why some well-established companies do this is either they are bankrupt or that is really their motive since the beginning so they can take more money from the people who trust them.

It won't make sense to pay someone to spread false news to a competitor's platform because there are a lot of users who can verify if that is really true, I don't think a new platform would spend that much money paying people just to make their platform better.
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Reputation can be viewed from a different perspective, if you see an exit scam from a gambling platform you will know but when the case Is that of an individual calling out a site for scamming him/her then one need to do some verification because some of this scam accusations come from people who are paid to tarnish the image of the competitor.
Sometimes those people that have lost a lot are blaming the casino and calling them a scam despite being not a scam. The problem starts with them that they cannot accept whatever amount their losses have. And instead of blaming themselves, they're putting all their anguish into the casino where they've gambled, and that makes them a total nag to the casino that they've gambled with. But if it's no longer one person that tells that the casino is a scam and they have proof to show then that's a different matter and if it's proven with valid proofs that the casino they've gambled has scammed them, then that's the community to decide for that casino. It will be for sure be avoided.
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Reputation can be viewed from a different perspective, if you see an exit scam from a gambling platform you will know but when the case Is that of an individual calling out a site for scamming him/her then one need to do some verification because some of this scam accusations come from people who are paid to tarnish the image of the competitor.
A false accusation will not stand we have seen that on the scam sections where some paid trolls cannot prove their allegations, good readers of the accusation can easily tell if the accusations will stand or they are paid by competitors to tarnish their image, one example is 1XBIT all the allegations are true and they cannot correct or deny them because all the proofs are clearly posted.
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For me, the reason why they do it is because they have a lot of confidence and strong resolve, if they can do it once, why not do it twice, thrice, and again and again until they will be caught. With the money they have by scamming their players, they could start another gambling site business using another name and people to run the same method again on scamming people who will deposit and play on their new gambling site.

I guess, that's all about it. People loves easy money as well as scammers. It's all about being carefully aware and risk taker.

Only small casinos will do that, but big online casinos will always resolve whatever complaints that come out, they have big profit to be made and will make if they have a good reputation than scamming people, a good gambling casino has a good support system and they have a very active channel to address all the issues, they never let even one complaint to go viral, they will stop it and they see to it that they are fair on all their dealing with their players.
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For me, the reason why they do it is because they have a lot of confidence and strong resolve, if they can do it once, why not do it twice, thrice, and again and again until they will be caught. With the money they have by scamming their players, they could start another gambling site business using another name and people to run the same method again on scamming people who will deposit and play on their new gambling site.

I guess, that's all about it. People loves easy money as well as scammers. It's all about being carefully aware and risk taker.
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

There's no logic in scamming some employers while building their reputation, all their efforts to build their reputation will go to nothing if there is one legit complaint against them, you cannot build your reputation while you let one complaint unattended it will continue to haunt the gambling casino, they should take care of all complaints this is one way to build a good reputation.

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In real world such kind of exit scams are quite low compared to the online access. When it comes to online services, most of the time everything happens online without any direct meeting on any occasion. This gives them easy path to scam the users and go away in a secure way. Most of the time exit scams can be seen much on MLM schemes compared to the gambling and other business platforms.
Due to accessibility and the easy access online then its really easy to scam out people if they wanted to in the first place and when it comes to those businesses who had built up their reputation then its really hard to believe on that they would really be making such step specially if they were profitable in the first place.

MLM is on the other side of story because we are talking about gambling business on here which for a new gambling site then its not really hard to determine if this one would turn out to be a scam or not basing off with some several factors that you can observed on.

It would really be taking lots of years before you can reach out a certain reputation and if something shady had been done then once been proved out then say goodbye into your business.
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In real world such kind of exit scams are quite low compared to the online access. When it comes to online services, most of the time everything happens online without any direct meeting on any occasion. This gives them easy path to scam the users and go away in a secure way. Most of the time exit scams can be seen much on MLM schemes compared to the gambling and other business platforms.
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?
Have a look at HashOcean, it's not gambling-related but is pretty much near to this discussion. They were claiming themselves as the real bitcoin cloud mining company and imagine, they were paying users for almost two years, you were getting the invested money back in 3 months. As time was going, people were both, amazed by the ROI and were believing that this company was really doing cloud mining. Lately, a lot of people sold their houses and invested money in HashOcean and one day, they closed their website and went away. There was petitions, etc, but nothing happened. And HashOcean steal so much money that they even affected the bitcoin's price.

You won't see a normal company scamming people.

Compare two to each other - 1xBit and Stake. The first one has BetB2B script and scams people, the second one has it's team and departments and operates honestly. The first one doesn't try to build reputation, it tries to attract as many customers as possible and then do the all-in-one scam.
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

The users or customers would always come back if they have a great experience in a casino or gambling websites, I guess with a new casino there is no way to know it is actually a legitimate one, but the scam casinos would always have a bad reputation and the humor are gonna spread really fast. People would always have bad reviews and would know if there are some sketchy things happening in a casino or a gambling website.

But with fake reviews people would need valid evidence, yeah it could affect some newbies from starting in the website but if they are someone who has a great experience with the website or casino they know that it is a legitimate website.

Similar to what reviews we have here in the forum, there are people who say that this gambling website is a scam but members would not believe that easily unless he proves it.
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But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

It depends on what's their goal from the beginning. There will be no perfect scam if they will not invest and risk spending money just to become a reputable one. It's a prerequisite for their goal.

It will be a perfect script if, on the way, they will show being reputable so that they can attract many users to their platform.

Just unfortunate that they will still continue on their original purpose that they will scam after being established as one of the popular platforms.
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If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?
These false accusations will not stand up, we have seen some players opening accusations in the scam section in those reputable gambling sites but they cannot sustain them because it lacks the merit, they can create as many accusations as they like but if it lacks evidence and they cannot sustain the accusers will only find themselves in hot water.
People will see and maybe they will try to get a prove by checking by themselves because many fake review or false accusations will happen to the casino to get down their reputations.
It is normal to see that thing as it is a competition to get more customer and trust from them.
Those competitions will be a hard for the casino but time will tell if all of that is real or fake.
But if that is a fake, people will know and they will not care about that fake review or false accusations.
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But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them?
because they cant continue anymore ? it could be lacking of funds or they have gained a bad reputations before but they havent fix it and it adds up .
They probably got a wrong move and can't take it anymore due to the community judging them.

As they know when it's the community that is against you, it's either you keep fighting for your business and establish it again or just stop it because you can no longer take the criticism aside from having lack of funds.

you need to keep fighting for your business if you know you dont commit a sever mistake such as scamming because in every gambling site there is a mistake but that can be corrected if your costumer pointed it out .
 our costumer can give a feedback and we can use it to improve our business  . they are not judging us but we only think they are .
If a community judge's a certain casino, they would be really judging it.

And that's the reason why they keep on going to judge it with based facts and the accused casino has to answer it. And if there's no cooperation that only means that the business is accepting what's being accused on them.
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Indeed many resources and lot of efforts are taken to build a business reputation. And I believe that it can brake the sooner the business owners, casino owners, take a step into taking advantage of their players. Reputation will be definitely harmed as the business stated to go down that dirty path.
legendary
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It actually depends on the motive. Sometimes, people or even businesses would build a good reputation just to gain the trust of people that they would scam in the future. Some scammers also do it as an exit plan. Legit and trusted businesses would put up a good reputation for a long-term benefit and they would handle their customers well. Businesses that scam people, in the end, are used to it. They would destroy their names and just build up a new one.
Wouldn't that be a waste of resources, time and effort when all they have to do is do the same thing over and over again? I'm sure they do know that people learn from their mistakes and most likely wouldn't repeat what happened to them but if they want to do it again it's probably to the place where no one knows who they are but I have a doubt if they could easily get away with that since most people rely on the internet to do some research, I'm sure people would know them.

I think it's best to maintain a long term business and build a reputation along the way so when they do make another business in the future they will easily get the customer because they knew they were legit when they have a reputation before.
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If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

Gambling companies can pay people to tarnish the image of their competitors but unless they can show proofs that they have been scam, the community will suspect that they are paid to post negatively on that gambling sites, without proofs to back up their allegations it will not stand, a reputable gambling site can always answer all the allegations, scam gambling sites cannot.
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Gambling casinos or gambling platforms taking a long way before getting one of the top-known gambling places where the player can enjoy their games. This is the reason why most of them are getting care with their reputation because having a single issue or mistake might take lead to their organization and ruin everything.

Even though some people giving their wrong and different accusation still the loyal players will continuously support them.
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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

We are not sure about that, maybe just because they have reputation that they build for a long time does it mean that it would take too long to get destroyed. In my assumption I think they were thinking that they already have reputation and if they scam users some people may not going to believe on it immediately, well its up to them if they would destroy their reputation just to scam some users.
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It actually depends on the motive. Sometimes, people or even businesses would build a good reputation just to gain the trust of people that they would scam in the future. Some scammers also do it as an exit plan. Legit and trusted businesses would put up a good reputation for a long-term benefit and they would handle their customers well. Businesses that scam people, in the end, are used to it. They would destroy their names and just build up a new one.
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It’s true that fame takes years to build and it takes seconds to break building a reputation will usually depend on the individual. He will gain fame in the way he will act reputation is a process of social influence through which a person can get the help and support of other people to accomplish a universal task. Opening a path for people so that they can contribute to something extraordinary.
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