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Quote from: bittraffic on July 05, 2021, 01:57:04 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 04, 2021, 11:57:21 PM

Quote from: TimeTeller on July 04, 2021, 06:20:27 PM

This is why if you have good amount of money to play with, just use it on the reputable sites known to this forum.
Because in case the site froze your account or you can't withdraw, some people here can help you with your problem.
Especially if you have done nothing wrong to flag down your account. Sites won't ruin their reputation from one unresolved issue.
That is, if you stick to reputable sites in the forum. But for new ones, try using small amount of money.

This forum has so many reputable gambling sites that we do not have to worry if they will scam us because they build their reputation over the years and serve their members best. Every problem that the members have will be solved by them, but we need to be patient because they have many members and need to investigate every issue carefully. But no matter what reputable gambling sites we played, we can not protect our money if we do not control ourselves. And if you still worry about playing gambling on those sites, you can use little money.

Controlling ourselves is actually the best solution for this. Heard some users actually blame some casinos when they tried to exclude themselves using the casino's exclusion program.

The reputation of the casino could still be affected no matter what because not all the people on the internet read the details of the gambler's protest. Most of them are just reading the thread title and judge by what is posted without looking if there is proof.

If they can control themselves before they play gambling, I think they can prevent losing their money. Besides that, if they do not make a mistake and the losing is pure because of playing gambling, the casino will not react because that will be their own mistake.

Yes, it is related to the casino reputation, but if the casino can investigate and do not find anything suspicious, I think the casino will not lose its reputation.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 05, 2021, 01:57:04 AM

Controlling ourselves is actually the best solution for this. Heard some users actually blame some casinos when they tried to exclude themselves using the casino's exclusion program.

The reputation of the casino could still be affected no matter what because not all the people on the internet read the details of the gambler's protest. Most of them are just reading the thread title and judge by what is posted without looking if there is proof.

If there accusations against casinos they should always be with proof. I have read quite a few claims on the forum here that say their balance just disappeared, without showing any screenshot or balance statement. When reading these threads it feels a bit like they are just angry at the casino for losing their money when gambling. If a casino is not acting properly and maybe even scam some customers out of money we all need to know it and avoid the casino for the future. But just because we were unlucky we shouldn't try and sabotage the reputation of a casino.

wait mate , balance disappeared or being Freeze ? those are different thing because there are only few that i read that vanishing and cannot even be supported but the banning or frozen ? this are the situation gamblers are facing and the scamming starts from the site because they can just clearly say the account violated their Toss and if you seek for proofs , then they will hide from their Company Privacy rights.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 04, 2021, 11:57:21 PM

Quote from: TimeTeller on July 04, 2021, 06:20:27 PM

This is why if you have good amount of money to play with, just use it on the reputable sites known to this forum.
Because in case the site froze your account or you can't withdraw, some people here can help you with your problem.
Especially if you have done nothing wrong to flag down your account. Sites won't ruin their reputation from one unresolved issue.
That is, if you stick to reputable sites in the forum. But for new ones, try using small amount of money.

This forum has so many reputable gambling sites that we do not have to worry if they will scam us because they build their reputation over the years and serve their members best. Every problem that the members have will be solved by them, but we need to be patient because they have many members and need to investigate every issue carefully. But no matter what reputable gambling sites we played, we can not protect our money if we do not control ourselves. And if you still worry about playing gambling on those sites, you can use little money.

Controlling ourselves is actually the best solution for this. Heard some users actually blame some casinos when they tried to exclude themselves using the casino's exclusion program.

The reputation of the casino could still be affected no matter what because not all the people on the internet read the details of the gambler's protest. Most of them are just reading the thread title and judge by what is posted without looking if there is proof.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on July 04, 2021, 06:20:27 PM

This is why if you have good amount of money to play with, just use it on the reputable sites known to this forum.
Because in case the site froze your account or you can't withdraw, some people here can help you with your problem.
Especially if you have done nothing wrong to flag down your account. Sites won't ruin their reputation from one unresolved issue.
That is, if you stick to reputable sites in the forum. But for new ones, try using small amount of money.

This forum has so many reputable gambling sites that we do not have to worry if they will scam us because they build their reputation over the years and serve their members best. Every problem that the members have will be solved by them, but we need to be patient because they have many members and need to investigate every issue carefully. But no matter what reputable gambling sites we played, we can not protect our money if we do not control ourselves. And if you still worry about playing gambling on those sites, you can use little money.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on July 04, 2021, 06:27:28 PM

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Quote from: Slow death on July 03, 2021, 07:48:49 AM

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Well described but then why go with a new casino that has no reputation? There isa good number of established ones. I know what you mean and they build their casinos and everything looks professional. It would be important to at least ensure that there are no fake reviews. Hence use websites where fake reviews are extremely difficult. I for my part stick with established ones that look back on a rather longer history. Yet, it could happen if a new casino has allegedly attractive new markets. I don't know, start low level with less money, cash out on a frequent basis and limit of getting busted.

Even on the stock market you can lose it all by a scamming company. Unbelievable if you take the case Theranos. There are ways to protect yourself. As someone said somewhere else make sure they at least do have an established license! And if they also have a very high positive ratio with a large number of reviews, it usually should be fine. There will always be this one exceptional case though.

You made a valuable point about sticking to gambling sites that have been around for a long time and known for their reputation. But I want to ask what if it's a new gambling site that means well for their customers but can't get people to trust them enough to deposit money and play at their books and casinos? These scammers are making it difficult for new legit gambling platforms to have a shot at launching and get a name for themselves. About the issue of license, it's like a week since that was discussed here on the forum and everyone came to the conclusion that gambling licenses have little to no guarantee. Scammers can just invest in a license and then use it to scam people.

That is what you call "adverse selection problem". The bad drive the good out of the market because they destroy trust with their actions. You have that in the employment environment for example. Or in any market you can think of and it is a problem that could never fully be erased. It is an interesting concept that exactly explains the issue you are raising. You can just google it and read up on it, it is worth the read.

Regarding the licenses, yes, it is true but at least makes the situation a few % points more likely that they are not the worst scammers on planet earth. But generally speaking it's true, that is no guarantee you don't get scammed.

All these ICOs back then in 17/18 had their businesses in the Cayman Islands and what not. You couldn't just get a hold of them even if you who they were. They hide address of their hometowns, use nicknames on the internet and fake their Linkedin accounts. Knowing where the company is legally registered doesn't help you if it's Cayman Islands or anything like that.

That's the risk we all had to live with when those ICOs took place. Anyway, let's hope we won't got phished by scammers anytime soon, hopefully never again, but that seems unrealistic.

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Quote from: mv1986 on July 04, 2021, 05:41:20 PM

Quote from: nelson4lov on July 04, 2021, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Slow death on July 03, 2021, 07:48:49 AM

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Well described but then why go with a new casino that has no reputation? There isa good number of established ones. I know what you mean and they build their casinos and everything looks professional. It would be important to at least ensure that there are no fake reviews. Hence use websites where fake reviews are extremely difficult. I for my part stick with established ones that look back on a rather longer history. Yet, it could happen if a new casino has allegedly attractive new markets. I don't know, start low level with less money, cash out on a frequent basis and limit of getting busted.

Even on the stock market you can lose it all by a scamming company. Unbelievable if you take the case Theranos. There are ways to protect yourself. As someone said somewhere else make sure they at least do have an established license! And if they also have a very high positive ratio with a large number of reviews, it usually should be fine. There will always be this one exceptional case though.

You made a valuable point about sticking to gambling sites that have been around for a long time and known for their reputation. But I want to ask what if it's a new gambling site that means well for their customers but can't get people to trust them enough to deposit money and play at their books and casinos? These scammers are making it difficult for new legit gambling platforms to have a shot at launching and get a name for themselves. About the issue of license, it's like a week since that was discussed here on the forum and everyone came to the conclusion that gambling licenses have little to no guarantee. Scammers can just invest in a license and then use it to scam people.

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Quote from: mv1986 on July 04, 2021, 05:41:20 PM

Quote from: nelson4lov on July 04, 2021, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Slow death on July 03, 2021, 07:48:49 AM

this has been a great trick performed by many scammers, i'm talking about the trick of making selective payouts.

for example:

if a scammers wants to run a casino he will create a thread here on the forum, will pay advertising, after he has many regular customers and newer customers every day or constantly he will start making selective payments, even if some injured people post complaining here on the forum and the scammers get negative feedback anyway the scammers will have new customers every day or constantly, so receiving negative feedback here on the forum will not be of much relevance to the scammers

These scammers get smarter with every passing day. With selective payments to their customers, there would be mixed reviews for their gambling site which ensures that new customers keeps coming to play considering not everyone is saying they're a scam. It just reminds me of the ponzi schemes in 2017 - 2018. They did stuff like this and caught many people in their scam trap. But when they saw that people got to know their tricks, they scammed all together. It's important that we see these patterns early so we don't fall prey to these guys. They take calculated risks by investing to get more people on board.

Well described but then why go with a new casino that has no reputation? There isa good number of established ones. I know what you mean and they build their casinos and everything looks professional. It would be important to at least ensure that there are no fake reviews. Hence use websites where fake reviews are extremely difficult. I for my part stick with established ones that look back on a rather longer history. Yet, it could happen if a new casino has allegedly attractive new markets. I don't know, start low level with less money, cash out on a frequent basis and limit of getting busted.

Even on the stock market you can lose it all by a scamming company. Unbelievable if you take the case Theranos. There are ways to protect yourself. As someone said somewhere else make sure they at least do have an established license! And if they also have a very high positive ratio with a large number of reviews, it usually should be fine. There will always be this one exceptional case though.

This is why if you have good amount of money to play with, just use it on the reputable sites known to this forum.
Because in case the site froze your account or you can't withdraw, some people here can help you with your problem.
Especially if you have done nothing wrong to flag down your account. Sites won't ruin their reputation from one unresolved issue.
That is, if you stick to reputable sites in the forum. But for new ones, try using small amount of money.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on July 04, 2021, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Slow death on July 03, 2021, 07:48:49 AM

this has been a great trick performed by many scammers, i'm talking about the trick of making selective payouts.

for example:

if a scammers wants to run a casino he will create a thread here on the forum, will pay advertising, after he has many regular customers and newer customers every day or constantly he will start making selective payments, even if some injured people post complaining here on the forum and the scammers get negative feedback anyway the scammers will have new customers every day or constantly, so receiving negative feedback here on the forum will not be of much relevance to the scammers

These scammers get smarter with every passing day. With selective payments to their customers, there would be mixed reviews for their gambling site which ensures that new customers keeps coming to play considering not everyone is saying they're a scam. It just reminds me of the ponzi schemes in 2017 - 2018. They did stuff like this and caught many people in their scam trap. But when they saw that people got to know their tricks, they scammed all together. It's important that we see these patterns early so we don't fall prey to these guys. They take calculated risks by investing to get more people on board.

Well described but then why go with a new casino that has no reputation? There isa good number of established ones. I know what you mean and they build their casinos and everything looks professional. It would be important to at least ensure that there are no fake reviews. Hence use websites where fake reviews are extremely difficult. I for my part stick with established ones that look back on a rather longer history. Yet, it could happen if a new casino has allegedly attractive new markets. I don't know, start low level with less money, cash out on a frequent basis and limit of getting busted.

Even on the stock market you can lose it all by a scamming company. Unbelievable if you take the case Theranos. There are ways to protect yourself. As someone said somewhere else make sure they at least do have an established license! And if they also have a very high positive ratio with a large number of reviews, it usually should be fine. There will always be this one exceptional case though.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on July 04, 2021, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Slow death on July 03, 2021, 07:48:49 AM

this has been a great trick performed by many scammers, i'm talking about the trick of making selective payouts.

for example:

if a scammers wants to run a casino he will create a thread here on the forum, will pay advertising, after he has many regular customers and newer customers every day or constantly he will start making selective payments, even if some injured people post complaining here on the forum and the scammers get negative feedback anyway the scammers will have new customers every day or constantly, so receiving negative feedback here on the forum will not be of much relevance to the scammers

These scammers get smarter with every passing day. With selective payments to their customers, there would be mixed reviews for their gambling site which ensures that new customers keeps coming to play considering not everyone is saying they're a scam. It just reminds me of the ponzi schemes in 2017 - 2018. They did stuff like this and caught many people in their scam trap. But when they saw that people got to know their tricks, they scammed all together. It's important that we see these patterns early so we don't fall prey to these guys. They take calculated risks by investing to get more people on board.

These things do really exist but once a certain user does have real time experience and shared up their situation then thats what really counts because the community would really be aware

on how this site do operate which do end up on being scam.Its really hard to recognize on first point since it new but there are people whom do really love to test waters.

Their feedback surely counts because it would really make us aware.For those who are serious in business then they wont really be wasting up their reputation on just scamming out users.
Gambling is a long term business once you do succeed then it would be a fortune into its owners soon.

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Quote from: chaser15 on July 03, 2021, 06:22:41 AM

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I don't think signatures and costly promotions define anything because if a casino wants to scam users they can still run some promotions and giveaways since they know they will scam a much bigger amount than what they are going to spend in the process.

I agree that won't bring an assurance that the site will remain honest throughout its operations but at least, by doing those, the chance of becoming a bad site won't likely happen for let's say in several years.

Who knows that the scam's purpose will be changed once these owners see that they are generating more income by running the site thru legit operations. And from what I know, new gambling sites especially with licenses have their documents submitted to it so in case they turned into a scam, they will be facing the consequences of the law.

I think staying with the reputable websites and licensed gambling websites is much better than the new websites with license also we should know that not because the gambling site has a license it doesn't mean that they won't scam its players.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 03, 2021, 07:48:49 AM

this has been a great trick performed by many scammers, i'm talking about the trick of making selective payouts.

for example:

if a scammers wants to run a casino he will create a thread here on the forum, will pay advertising, after he has many regular customers and newer customers every day or constantly he will start making selective payments, even if some injured people post complaining here on the forum and the scammers get negative feedback anyway the scammers will have new customers every day or constantly, so receiving negative feedback here on the forum will not be of much relevance to the scammers

These scammers get smarter with every passing day. With selective payments to their customers, there would be mixed reviews for their gambling site which ensures that new customers keeps coming to play considering not everyone is saying they're a scam. It just reminds me of the ponzi schemes in 2017 - 2018. They did stuff like this and caught many people in their scam trap. But when they saw that people got to know their tricks, they scammed all together. It's important that we see these patterns early so we don't fall prey to these guys. They take calculated risks by investing to get more people on board.

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Quote from: Woodie on June 25, 2021, 04:26:35 AM

For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business, what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

Well I do think that a good established businesses would not be suddenly scamming people out of their money since all of these things does not happen suddenly. They might get few unfair reviews but that's something which is usually resolved . But at the end of the day businesses loose money drastically and it's when they starts causing probelms for not one or two players, but many. When you talk about them scamming only 1-2 players I think most of the time it's the fault of the miscommunication and the team. Sometimes they might use VPN which is not allowed etc.. some minor issues.
When you see that a business have started scamming people, get out of it. Entirely. It's when you know they have gone bankrupt. When we talk about 1xbit I think we have far better options therefore don't even go there.

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Yes, and that's why it is much more probable that we can be scammed by a small and unestablished company than by a large and reputable one. We should be very cautious with newly appeared gambling sites, especially if they are never running expensive(for them) promos, sig campaigns etc. It means they are not planning to establish themselves as a long running business, which in turn means that there is a high probability of exit scam.

running expensive marketing but that gambling site ends up being a scam is a stupid move I think...

Joining a new gambling site has a big enough risk, but many are run honestly by a professional team. if a new site appears but only does marketing with talk then ignore it because it will most likely end in a scam, usually they attract users with big welcome bonuses or other unreasonable promos.

You should tell this to 1xbit. Cool

Because they are exactly doing what you are saying.

There are many scam accusations against that casino and yet they keep promoting their business aggressively on every platform possible. Common logic dictates that they should spend their resources on solving the ongoing issues with the players but here they are, doing the exact opposite.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 25, 2021, 05:38:27 AM

Exit scamming strategy is exist in every field, so when a company earned lot of reputation and made enough money for their future then they can scam people by closing their business but in real world its not possible since we know the company owners so the laws of our country will punish them.

Anyway a company with good reputation may not do this since they already on the top of the list so they can keep making money ebery year and also their company will grow bigger.

A lot of companies I've had about running away with customers funds even without government been able to sanction them with obvious evidents. Most companies are not even building on genuine reputation this days cause money can still settle this aspect since a lot of people always want to confirm the reputation of a company before purchasing their products.
Running positive reviews like on Facebook, YouTube, Telegram etc are still means of getting a good reputation which are mostly sponsored to companies or owners of the products and services.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 02, 2021, 08:01:12 AM

People are wiser now and they know the true to a fake one, those fake reviews can not stand here in Bitcontalk, they can do that on other platform but not here in Bitcointalk, reading reviews coming here in Bitcointalk are worth it because they are independent reviews and it's an open discussion to see the truthfulness of those reviews.

Indeed that's the beauty of the forum, no matter how reputed or big the company is, if they have any disputes against their players, the player is free to open an accusation report against them with all the details and most often if the player's report is right and didn't make any mistake, the reputed members of the forum will tag the owner or representative of the casino which is a good red flag for players who might want to play at the site.

Quote from: johhnyUA on July 02, 2021, 05:59:49 PM

People still stupid enough, lol (but they think otherwise, yes). And they often easily manipulated, so there is no big deal to fool them. For that reason reviews is bought ins other places and sometimes even here (but here is problem that reputable users doesn't make paid reviews and review from Newbie looks enough suspicious)

Right and some blogs can take money and give false ratings to scam sites like 1xbit and others but here at the forum, trusted members won't take the money and leave incorrect feedbacks.

The forum's reputation of a site is a good reflection of its operating history and their honesty.

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this has been a great trick performed by many scammers, i'm talking about the trick of making selective payouts.

for example:

if a scammers wants to run a casino he will create a thread here on the forum, will pay advertising, after he has many regular customers and newer customers every day or constantly he will start making selective payments, even if some injured people post complaining here on the forum and the scammers get negative feedback anyway the scammers will have new customers every day or constantly, so receiving negative feedback here on the forum will not be of much relevance to the scammers

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Quote from: Webetcoins on July 03, 2021, 03:42:21 AM

I don't think signatures and costly promotions define anything because if a casino wants to scam users they can still run some promotions and giveaways since they know they will scam a much bigger amount than what they are going to spend in the process.

I agree that won't bring an assurance that the site will remain honest throughout its operations but at least, by doing those, the chance of becoming a bad site won't likely happen for let's say in several years.

Who knows that the scam's purpose will be changed once these owners see that they are generating more income by running the site thru legit operations. And from what I know, new gambling sites especially with licenses have their documents submitted to it so in case they turned into a scam, they will be facing the consequences of the law.

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Quote from: Oasisman on June 25, 2021, 07:33:18 AM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 25, 2021, 05:38:27 AM

Exit scamming strategy is exist in every field, so when a company earned lot of reputation and made enough money for their future then they can scam people by closing their business but in real world its not possible since we know the company owners so the laws of our country will punish them.

That doesn't make sense.
Exit scamming when your business is booming?
Man, If my business is earning a lot of reputation and generate good income why would I risk the long term income over a limited amount of money that has been put by clients to your business.

Quote from: Woodie on June 25, 2021, 04:26:35 AM

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business, what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

Well, that's actually happening in different business models.
Good customer service/support will beat those who threatened to tarnish the reputation of your business.

Not a good move actually,but the quest for more.
You no humans are never satisfied with small, and won't stay gor less

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Quote from: Woodie on June 25, 2021, 04:26:35 AM

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business, what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

People are wiser now and they know the true to a fake one, those fake reviews can not stand here in Bitcontalk, they can do that on other platform but not here in Bitcointalk, reading reviews coming here in Bitcointalk are worth it because they are independent reviews and it's an open discussion to see the truthfulness of those reviews.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 02, 2021, 05:08:18 AM

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Usually a company that does that is when developers who are currently unable to think further about how much profit they get when they have a good reputation and have a platform with very fast development and have selling products that many people are looking for, it is certain that the company will become big and can get a lot of profit in the long term rather than just getting a momentary profit because of doing a scam.

Yes, and that's why it is much more probable that we can be scammed by a small and unestablished company than by a large and reputable one. We should be very cautious with newly appeared gambling sites, especially if they are never running expensive(for them) promos, sig campaigns etc. It means they are not planning to establish themselves as a long running business, which in turn means that there is a high probability of exit scam.

I concur that playing on new casinos is risky because they don't have any history and although some of them might be really attractive like goosebet.io arrived with a really amazing design and a grand launch where they gave away a lot of TRX, I actually doubt if the giveaway was real but anyways they looked really promising but have now vanished somewhere suddenly.

I don't think signatures and costly promotions define anything because if a casino wants to scam users they can still run some promotions and giveaways since they know they will scam a much bigger amount than what they are going to spend in the process. I hardly play at new casinos for the same reason, you just don't know what their plans are and how long they are going to operate legitimately.

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