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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 09, 2023, 10:41:12 AM

I wonder if Napoli will continue their good form next season, or vice versa. Entry and exit of players will certainly occur in the transfer market this summer, and it will affect the game a little bit. Moreover, rumors about the move of their striker, Osimhen are increasingly being discussed. And also if it really happened it would affect their line of attack.
They will be in the Champions League next season, and it will take work. But actually they have experience this season when they can go to the quarter-finals of the Champions League, and they have to be beaten by fellow Serie A representatives, so they have to be able to improve when they are in more prestigious European competitions.

I don't think there's anything to worry about too much because after all, previous teams like Inter and Milan who previously won the Scudetto but then they also couldn't maintain their performance, right. So yes, if Napoli's performance declines next season I don't think it's something strange and or surprising either because after all, such a decline in performance will definitely happen. But even so, I personally will still believe that at least Napoli will still be able to compete in the top four or top six, because most importantly Napoli's decline in performance has not made Napoli plunge into the relegation zone.

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I wonder if Napoli will continue their good form next season, or vice versa. Entry and exit of players will certainly occur in the transfer market this summer, and it will affect the game a little bit. Moreover, rumors about the move of their striker, Osimhen are increasingly being discussed. And also if it really happened it would affect their line of attack.
They will be in the Champions League next season, and it will take work. But actually they have experience this season when they can go to the quarter-finals of the Champions League, and they have to be beaten by fellow Serie A representatives, so they have to be able to improve when they are in more prestigious European competitions.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 09, 2023, 05:03:39 AM

if Juventus were not guilty they would have fought it but instead they accepted the punishment which shows their guilt hence now there’s no point in crying over spilled milk. Furthermore they should now focus on the upcoming season and start planning well for it otherwise we’ll see them drop out of the title race very soon like we witnessed in the previous season.

I think financial guilt and on the field guilt are different things. We all remember what happened 10+ years ago, and I think this one is wildly different. This one was regarding audit and they didn't pass the laws and that's why there is nothing to argue, it's mathematics, the numbers are there, how are you going to go against the numbers? I mean I bet they tried, they at least made a defense statement on court, but that doesn't mean that it will be heard, if they did it then it's obvious on the paper and they will just get the punishment.

Secondly, we all know that they were allowed to continue even when they had this trouble but then they ended up with super league stuff and that's why they were punished for it, and as a result of this punishment they left the super league thing.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 09, 2023, 05:03:39 AM

@EarnOnVictor if Juventus were not guilty they would have fought it but instead they accepted the punishment which shows their guilt hence now there’s no point in crying over spilled milk. Furthermore they should now focus on the upcoming season and start planning well for it otherwise we’ll see them drop out of the title race very soon like we witnessed in the previous season.

I think they did try to defend themselves and that is why it was advanced to a higher court. But what I think still is a problem is the fact that this was the Italien court that made a judgment, but Juventus could still be facing penalties from the UEFA if I understood all the circumstances of this case correctly. I think if there is anything else to come for Juventus, it should happen soon because it isn't helpful for anyone, not the fans and not the clubs, if those judgments can happen way in the future. So for now it is still up to the UEFA to also sanction Juventus. Let me know if there has been any update I overlooked.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 09, 2023, 06:36:10 AM

Milan will really need to make a big improvement for next season. Because they didn't play as good as the last champion should have done. They couldn't even enter a title race with Napoli properly. They made so many unnecessary point losses and barely made it to top four. I'm saying "barely" because if it weren't for Juventus' punishment Milan were going to be out of top four.

Therefore Milan will need to learn their lesson from all of this. They did a good job in the Champions League though but they were very ineffective against Inter in the semi finals at the same time. I don't know what they can do there next time but their priority must be to remain in a title race throughout a season.

Could it be because Ac Milan was doing well in the Champions League that was why they didn't give too much attention to the Champions League knowing too well that Napoli had already overtaken them in the Serial A league chase.
I appropriated Milan's in the Champions League to Leo R absence in the first leg between Ac Milan and Inter Milan.
They got another opportunity to put their team in order to be able to contest for the title league coming season.

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Milan will really need to make a big improvement for next season. Because they didn't play as good as the last champion should have done. They couldn't even enter a title race with Napoli properly. They made so many unnecessary point losses and barely made it to top four. I'm saying "barely" because if it weren't for Juventus' punishment Milan were going to be out of top four.

Therefore Milan will need to learn their lesson from all of this. They did a good job in the Champions League though but they were very ineffective against Inter in the semi finals at the same time. I don't know what they can do there next time but their priority must be to remain in a title race throughout a season.

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Quote from: len01 on June 09, 2023, 01:22:19 AM

but I'm sure Juventus next season has the strength to get a champions league ticket even though this season they don't get it.

Next season is a different competition again, so it will be difficult to predict that Juventus will return to the champions league zone because several of their core players will certainly leave this club, Di Maria left with a free agent, Dusan Vlahovic has reportedly told Juve that he will leave His club with 3 clubs is reportedly interested in him. Dusan Vlahovic tells Juventus he wants to leave
There is Adrien Rabiot who is also rumored to be leaving Juve and Leandro Parede who will return to PSG. Transfer: Three Juventus players to leave Turin for new clubs [Full list]

So next season will be very different for Juve, and even though they will only be playing in the conference league it is not a certainty that they will be a strong team in the tournament.
And the news illustrates that the point deduction they receive is also damaging to the team, because of course it is not pleasent to play at a club that is faced with sanctions.

The deep and large debt in juventus causing the chaos recently.

No wonder some of crucial part of the juventus player start to leave as they feel uncomfortable , there is no loyal player left in the squad which that makes juventus even weaker than ever. Not much movement made by juventus to sign any player ... that's completely sounds not good.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on June 09, 2023, 05:03:39 AM

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 08, 2023, 08:54:23 PM

Juventus is certainly unluckiest due to the points penalty that they received, they would have been at UCL next season if they could have won, that is a sad situation for them. However, it is also the teams at conference league that would be pretty unlucky as well, to meet Juventus a team that deserved UCL next season but you are a small time conference league team.

I don't even know whether this is a conspiracy or not but juventus was too late taking an action to realize its mistake. As far as i know that if FGIC was always opening its door for juventus if the club is willing to realize its mistake and promised to be even better in upcoming season.
The deduction from juventus's points at the end of season were giving a mentality problem for all of players. It's caused by they were only a few steps to go to the UCL but FGIC was destroying it.

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In order to avoid any further points deductions, Juve have now accepted a €718,000 fine for their reported misdemeanours and will, importantly, be granted access into European competitions if they qualify for them.

https://www.90min.com/posts/juventus-learn-fate-of-figc-trial

Juventus would above to avoid the deduction points if it was accepting its mistakes when it was getting 15 points deduction.
The problem can be solved easily but juventus was taking a very hard decision just to play small fine.

It's mistake from the management.

And you think a mistake from the management is an excuse in law? We should stop giving excuses for Juventus for their misdeed. This is the club that has lasted several decades, so you are telling me that suddenly the management made a mistake? A mistake that other clubs did not make? Common!!!

Juventus deserved what it got and will be a lesson for them and others that wanted to copy. However, there is no way the first 15 points deduction would not affect the whole club psychologically, I noticed the effect but they later started playing better again until the final 10 point deduction. This explains why they were able to finish the season in 7th place, they later buckled up. If not, they should be far lower than that.

@EarnOnVictor if Juventus were not guilty they would have fought it but instead they accepted the punishment which shows their guilt hence now there’s no point in crying over spilled milk. Furthermore they should now focus on the upcoming season and start planning well for it otherwise we’ll see them drop out of the title race very soon like we witnessed in the previous season.

Juventus has lost its dominance in recent years, they now struggle to stay in the top 4 and earn a spot in the Champions League. Even there, they are not what they once were, they used to advance far in the competition, but not any longer, they now find it challenging to reach the quarterfinal stages. In serie A we have seen three different winners in the past three years, so challenging for the Italian championship is not difficult. All they require is a coach who can develop a team that can compete in the league.

They intended to appeal what occurred, but they realized it would be useless because they are guilty and prepared to accept the punishment. They were positively impacted by their eventual qualification for the Europa Conference League. What a shame for the Italian giants—I can't even recall the last time they missed out on champions league qualifications. Next season, they must stand their ground and demonstrate how strong they are.

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Quote from: len01 on June 09, 2023, 01:22:19 AM

Quote from: borovichok on June 08, 2023, 09:58:33 PM

Juventus' fall from grace to grass over the years suggests that their players are not competitive enough. Juventus manager Massimiliano Allegri is doing everything he can for the club; it's simply that they've been dealt some bad news. It was shocking to see Juventus lose points for the second time this season, indicating a dismal season for the old lady. However, they still have a fair chance to shoot their best shot at the European Conference League, and I'm very convinced that if the club develops, they will be in the finals next season, as the competition is just for consistent clubs, and while West Ham won this year, the next one is unexpected.

if you remember the problem experienced by Juventus deducting points towards the end of this season is very sad. because in the first point deduction it was clear that it affected the performance of the Juventus players after that the second deduction put even more pressure on the Juventus players which made them not confident.
but I'm sure Juventus next season has the strength to get a champions league ticket even though this season they don't get it.

Without any doubt deduction of points having big impact on team performance and players as well because there were chances we will have them at the second spot but sadly due to two deductions moral was down and players were not able to perform as they were required in this season but still they have done good job and have Conference Cup chance which is still acceptable after this all on and off the field controversies from here now if they are able to stay positive then most chances they will be able to have better time in throughout season, and we can expect good results from the players as well.

Now competition could be not easy for them with many teams are preparing for the best and have enough chance for the Champions League competition we can expect good from them for the top four which is looking good.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on June 09, 2023, 04:46:46 AM

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 08, 2023, 08:54:23 PM

Juventus is certainly unluckiest due to the points penalty that they received, they would have been at UCL next season if they could have won, that is a sad situation for them. However, it is also the teams at conference league that would be pretty unlucky as well, to meet Juventus a team that deserved UCL next season but you are a small time conference league team.

I don't even know whether this is a conspiracy or not but juventus was too late taking an action to realize its mistake. As far as i know that if FGIC was always opening its door for juventus if the club is willing to realize its mistake and promised to be even better in upcoming season.
The deduction from juventus's points at the end of season were giving a mentality problem for all of players. It's caused by they were only a few steps to go to the UCL but FGIC was destroying it.

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In order to avoid any further points deductions, Juve have now accepted a €718,000 fine for their reported misdemeanours and will, importantly, be granted access into European competitions if they qualify for them.

https://www.90min.com/posts/juventus-learn-fate-of-figc-trial

Juventus would above to avoid the deduction points if it was accepting its mistakes when it was getting 15 points deduction.
The problem can be solved easily but juventus was taking a very hard decision just to play small fine.

It's mistake from the management.

And you think a mistake from the management is an excuse in law? We should stop giving excuses for Juventus for their misdeed. This is the club that has lasted several decades, so you are telling me that suddenly the management made a mistake? A mistake that other clubs did not make? Common!!!

Juventus deserved what it got and will be a lesson for them and others that wanted to copy. However, there is no way the first 15 points deduction would not affect the whole club psychologically, I noticed the effect but they later started playing better again until the final 10 point deduction. This explains why they were able to finish the season in 7th place, they later buckled up. If not, they should be far lower than that.

@EarnOnVictor if Juventus were not guilty they would have fought it but instead they accepted the punishment which shows their guilt hence now there’s no point in crying over spilled milk. Furthermore they should now focus on the upcoming season and start planning well for it otherwise we’ll see them drop out of the title race very soon like we witnessed in the previous season.

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Quote from: X-ray on June 09, 2023, 02:12:40 AM

Quote from: FanEagle on June 08, 2023, 08:54:23 PM

Juventus is certainly unluckiest due to the points penalty that they received, they would have been at UCL next season if they could have won, that is a sad situation for them. However, it is also the teams at conference league that would be pretty unlucky as well, to meet Juventus a team that deserved UCL next season but you are a small time conference league team.

I don't even know whether this is a conspiracy or not but juventus was too late taking an action to realize its mistake. As far as i know that if FGIC was always opening its door for juventus if the club is willing to realize its mistake and promised to be even better in upcoming season.
The deduction from juventus's points at the end of season were giving a mentality problem for all of players. It's caused by they were only a few steps to go to the UCL but FGIC was destroying it.

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In order to avoid any further points deductions, Juve have now accepted a €718,000 fine for their reported misdemeanours and will, importantly, be granted access into European competitions if they qualify for them.

https://www.90min.com/posts/juventus-learn-fate-of-figc-trial

Juventus would above to avoid the deduction points if it was accepting its mistakes when it was getting 15 points deduction.
The problem can be solved easily but juventus was taking a very hard decision just to play small fine.

It's mistake from the management.

And you think a mistake from the management is an excuse in law? We should stop giving excuses for Juventus for their misdeed. This is the club that has lasted several decades, so you are telling me that suddenly the management made a mistake? A mistake that other clubs did not make? Common!!!

Juventus deserved what it got and will be a lesson for them and others that wanted to copy. However, there is no way the first 15 points deduction would not affect the whole club psychologically, I noticed the effect but they later started playing better again until the final 10 point deduction. This explains why they were able to finish the season in 7th place, they later buckled up. If not, they should be far lower than that.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 08, 2023, 08:54:23 PM

Juventus is certainly unluckiest due to the points penalty that they received, they would have been at UCL next season if they could have won, that is a sad situation for them. However, it is also the teams at conference league that would be pretty unlucky as well, to meet Juventus a team that deserved UCL next season but you are a small time conference league team.

This season have never been a lucky season foe Juventus, you know like the players were having some difficulties in their performance which made them not to be able to acquire a lot of points and after sometimes that they were able to get to the to the top of the league but it was so unfortunate for them for their point to be deducted for them to get down low. I just hope Juventus will try their best to do better in the conference league and I also wish they can can improve their performance against next season ,their poor performance this season should be a motivation for them next season.

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Quote from: babo on June 09, 2023, 01:50:11 AM

Quote from: Uruhara on June 08, 2023, 10:11:21 PM

I think if Roma can add some top players to the team in the coming season in the current transfer market. So I think in the coming season Mourinho will be ready to make Roma shine even more and I estimate they can even get Champions league tickets in the coming season. but on condition that Roma must add some top players to the squad.

to go to the transfer market and make good purchases you need money
something that Roma don't seem to want to spend (maybe they don't have them)
but he spent it on a very expensive trainer, I honestly don't understand
could take Spalletti (who is not on very good terms with Napoli) at a lower cost

For some reason it seems AS Roma doesn't want to spend large amounts of money to buy players, they like this are playing with a makeshift squad. Even though until now I have not heard of them having financial difficulties, which means that they can be said to have good finances. AS Roma's weaknesses are seen in several positions, and they should be aware of that in order to make improvements.

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Quote from: borovichok on June 08, 2023, 09:58:33 PM

Quote from: FanEagle on June 08, 2023, 08:54:23 PM

Juventus is certainly unluckiest due to the points penalty that they received, they would have been at UCL next season if they could have won, that is a sad situation for them. However, it is also the teams at conference league that would be pretty unlucky as well, to meet Juventus a team that deserved UCL next season but you are a small time conference league team.

There is a 90+ percent chance of them winning it even today, sure by the end there could be some semi decent teams but I am pretty sure that none of them will be too good. This is why Juventus should be looking at the silver lining, if they are winning the conference league at the end of this season then that is going to be another cup, one that is not that important but better than zero cups at least.

Juventus' fall from grace to grass over the years suggests that their players are not competitive enough. Juventus manager Massimiliano Allegri is doing everything he can for the club; it's simply that they've been dealt some bad news. It was shocking to see Juventus lose points for the second time this season, indicating a dismal season for the old lady. However, they still have a fair chance to shoot their best shot at the European Conference League, and I'm very convinced that if the club develops, they will be in the finals next season, as the competition is just for consistent clubs, and while West Ham won this year, the next one is unexpected.

Juventus had a complicated season and fortunately they were still able to survive in Serie A by finishing 7th in the standings with all the problems that existed. I think Juventus must be ready for any conditions and the players must be strong to face it all because of course their mentality has also dropped after hearing this news.

Coach Allegri can only give enthusiasm and motivation to his players to start next season with a big heart and have to fight to get back into the Scudetto competition. The conference league is one of the competitions they can play in next season and it seems that Juventus will not be too serious in this competition because of course they want to focus more on playing in Serie A.

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Quote from: Uruhara on June 08, 2023, 07:26:14 PM

Correct. The arrival of Mourinho has indeed had a lot of good effects for the Roman club and even for the Roma fans themselves. And Roma's achievements this season are also not too bad. Even getting to the Europa League final is an achievement that I didn't even expect with Rome's current condition. Because as we know Rome doesn't have many top players in it. but making it to the Europa League Final is also proof that Mourinho can even maximize Roma's performance even with an mediocre squad. Even in the match against Sevilla, Roma had more accurate shots at the opponent's goal, even though they were constantly under pressure. And the defeat in the Europa League is also not proof that Roma have lost in terms of performance on the field. but they were just unlucky in the penalty shootout. and it was the mentality of the Roma players that was a little weak in the penalty shootout. And sevilla is superior in the mentality of the players too.

That's why i don't know why some people were calling if fans were hating him. People are putting a lot of their respects to the mourinho. Roma will not be winning a trophy if it's not caused by him. Mourinho just like a hero for roma. So many roma fans are not willing to let him go. Roma fans are loving mourinho. He just like gives roma a new strength to face the next season that will become even harder than this time. I hope that mourinho will always stay until his contract will expire.
He has been giving signal if he will not leave from roma this season. i believe if all of news that said he will be leaving from roma was not true. Mourinho was a part of roma.

Quote from: Prince Malik on June 08, 2023, 06:58:56 PM

Yes that's absolutely right, roma team is not good enough and the administration should start bringing more good players to the team if they want to play for trophies, blaming the couch now is surely not the right thing to do and roma fans are surely aware of this

that's why the came of mourinho was giving significant impact. It can be said that if mourinho was changing everything in the club.
The players knew how to play football even better caused by him despite so many criticism if mou was using boring strategy.

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Quote from: babo on June 09, 2023, 01:50:11 AM

Quote from: Uruhara on June 08, 2023, 10:11:21 PM

I think if Roma can add some top players to the team in the coming season in the current transfer market. So I think in the coming season Mourinho will be ready to make Roma shine even more and I estimate they can even get Champions league tickets in the coming season. but on condition that Roma must add some top players to the squad.

to go to the transfer market and make good purchases you need money
something that Roma don't seem to want to spend (maybe they don't have them)
but he spent it on a very expensive trainer, I honestly don't understand
could take Spalletti (who is not on very good terms with Napoli) at a lower cost

This make sense if they have not enough money then why they hired an expensive coach it's never been ideal thing for having better results hopefully now things could be on positive way for the many Italian clubs because things are coming to change which is good but still they need to spend money for the bringing good players as well for the better players.

AS Roma is surely doing impressive in last two season in UEFA competitions, but sadly they fail to have any positive impression in Italian League which is problem losing Europa Cup is main happen due to bad luck with penalties where anybody game after having impressive fight in 120 minutes of play so how they are going to compete in next season it's important after having two UEFA finals in two years.

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Quote from: len01 on June 09, 2023, 01:22:19 AM

but I'm sure Juventus next season has the strength to get a champions league ticket even though this season they don't get it.

Next season is a different competition again, so it will be difficult to predict that Juventus will return to the champions league zone because several of their core players will certainly leave this club, Di Maria left with a free agent, Dusan Vlahovic has reportedly told Juve that he will leave His club with 3 clubs is reportedly interested in him. Dusan Vlahovic tells Juventus he wants to leave
There is Adrien Rabiot who is also rumored to be leaving Juve and Leandro Parede who will return to PSG. Transfer: Three Juventus players to leave Turin for new clubs [Full list]

So next season will be very different for Juve, and even though they will only be playing in the conference league it is not a certainty that they will be a strong team in the tournament.
And the news illustrates that the point deduction they receive is also damaging to the team, because of course it is not pleasent to play at a club that is faced with sanctions.

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 08, 2023, 08:54:23 PM

Juventus is certainly unluckiest due to the points penalty that they received, they would have been at UCL next season if they could have won, that is a sad situation for them. However, it is also the teams at conference league that would be pretty unlucky as well, to meet Juventus a team that deserved UCL next season but you are a small time conference league team.

I don't even know whether this is a conspiracy or not but juventus was too late taking an action to realize its mistake. As far as i know that if FGIC was always opening its door for juventus if the club is willing to realize its mistake and promised to be even better in upcoming season.
The deduction from juventus's points at the end of season were giving a mentality problem for all of players. It's caused by they were only a few steps to go to the UCL but FGIC was destroying it.

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In order to avoid any further points deductions, Juve have now accepted a €718,000 fine for their reported misdemeanours and will, importantly, be granted access into European competitions if they qualify for them.

https://www.90min.com/posts/juventus-learn-fate-of-figc-trial

Juventus would above to avoid the deduction points if it was accepting its mistakes when it was getting 15 points deduction.
The problem can be solved easily but juventus was taking a very hard decision just to play small fine.

It's mistake from the management.

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Quote from: Uruhara on June 08, 2023, 10:11:21 PM

I think if Roma can add some top players to the team in the coming season in the current transfer market. So I think in the coming season Mourinho will be ready to make Roma shine even more and I estimate they can even get Champions league tickets in the coming season. but on condition that Roma must add some top players to the squad.

to go to the transfer market and make good purchases you need money
something that Roma don't seem to want to spend (maybe they don't have them)
but he spent it on a very expensive trainer, I honestly don't understand
could take Spalletti (who is not on very good terms with Napoli) at a lower cost

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Quote from: FanEagle on June 08, 2023, 08:54:23 PM

Juventus is certainly unluckiest due to the points penalty that they received, they would have been at UCL next season if they could have won, that is a sad situation for them. However, it is also the teams at conference league that would be pretty unlucky as well, to meet Juventus a team that deserved UCL next season but you are a small time conference league team.

There is a 90+ percent chance of them winning it even today, sure by the end there could be some semi decent teams but I am pretty sure that none of them will be too good. This is why Juventus should be looking at the silver lining, if they are winning the conference league at the end of this season then that is going to be another cup, one that is not that important but better than zero cups at least.

Although it will be disappointing for them not to be in the Champion League next season, I think you're right that being in Conference League does not necessarily mean a team is bad or underperforming; there are many teams that wanted to be in that position but were unsuccessful; they still have a chance to succeed and earn a spot in the Champion League the following season because I'm confident that all the teams that qualify to Conference league, there are none that are good enough than juventus.
Losing a lot of points had a significant impact on their ability to qualify for the Champions League, but this will encourage them to practice more before the upcoming season.

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