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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 08, 2023, 05:52:56 AM

I haven't seen any update on Mourinho's decision. Are you sure that his decision is final? Because a few days ago I read that he would be okay to stay longer but he said that he would inform the board if he gets an offer from PSG as well. This must be still the same now. Because PSG are about to sack Galtier and Mourinho is a strong candidate for now.

If PSG make an offer for Mourinho then I'm not so sure about if he would like to stay with Roma instead. Because while he can win titles easier with PSG why would he want to continue with Roma and struggle more, right?

Regarding with how much money spent by Jose Mourinho since become AS Roma head coach not really bad his achievement by winning Conference League tittle last season and success lead to Europe League final stage although defeated by Sevilla. I don't sure Jose Mourinho loyal with AS Roma and extend until his contract expiry because he has low budget for transfer player.

Can't compete in domestic league for finish on top fourth standings placed without have star player, I think AS Roma's management should give much money for Jose Mourinho signing new player for next season or possibility for Mourinho accepted PSG offering. Have rumor about Galtier not extend for PSG manager next season and chance for Jose Mourinho for replacing Galtier position.

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Quote from: harapan on June 08, 2023, 04:06:20 AM

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Jose Mourinho has a clear vision and mission and even though Roma is not a wealthy team that has a lot of money, so far the Roma team has improved a lot after the last 2 seasons when coached by Jose Mourinho.
but now Mourinho has been rumored to move to another team, there is a team that is eyeing him, namely PSG, I really regret it if the coach leaves because it is very likely that Rome will fall back if left by Jose Mourinho.

Mourinho arrival was a blessing for Roma, he managed to make Roma able to compete in the European league in the last two seasons, one of which was successful in bringing home a trophy. It looks like Mourinho will stay in Rome next season, he has devised a plan to build a more solid Roma squad. Roma have prepared 8 million euros to recruit Mauro Icardi, Mourinho also asked El Shaarawy to stay in Rome.
Mourinho's magic will have an impact on Roma appearance, in his hands Roma are increasingly being counted on in the hunt for the top 4 positions. Next season there will be a new surprise from Mourinho if he succeeds in adding to Roma's strength in the transfer market.

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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League indeed Italy missed opportunities.

Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

The failure of Fiorentina and As Roma was not an intentional failure, both of them have struggled to represent from Italy to win the European league but they have not been so lucky this season, on the other hand Intermilan still has hope of winning the UCL this season even though it looks difficult against Manchester City , I know that if Inter Milan fails then there is no representative from the club in the Italian league who has brought the European League championship trophy.

I think intermilan will fail because it looks like they don't have better players than manhcester city even though there is hope of winning, but not sure they will win it, we see a lot of people who favor manchester city win the UCL and reach the Treble winner, If intermilan wins So, Inter Milan managed to thwart Manchester City from getting the treble winner, but if Intermilan failed, then no club from the Italian league would win the European league championship this season.

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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League indeed Italy missed opportunities.

Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

well if I remember correctly Roma lost on penalties
unfortunately penalties are a very unpleasant thing, I don't like them
honestly I'd rather have a second match in 7 days than penalties
but obviously it is not a feasible solution

The conditions in the penalty shootout were fifty-fifty and indeed this defeat was very difficult to predict because apart from luck, the mentality was also clearly tested.
Their good performance won't be guaranteed in the penalty shootout and even if it's also a shame that some of the kicks were missed there but in this case I still feel they did very well in this regard.

But, even though AS Roma failed to win the Europa League title at least next season AS Roma will still play in the Europa League again, because AS Roma managed to finish in sixth place in the final standings of Serie A. But about Fiorentina, they failed to get a European ticket next season, because Fiorentina only finished in eighth position in the final standings of Serie A.

But yes, regarding the three Serie A teams that have managed to play in the final in European competition, basically only AS Roma and also Fiorentina have the chance to win a trophy but in reality they failed. Because after all, expecting Inter to beat Manchester City is also too difficult, so on paper Inter only has a low chance of winning in the Champions League.
Thus, the Serie A teams that manage to play in the final match will eventually fail and of course this result will be very unfortunate because it is very rare for Serie A teams to reach the final match simultaneously like that.

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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League indeed Italy missed opportunities.

Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

well if I remember correctly Roma lost on penalties
unfortunately penalties are a very unpleasant thing, I don't like them
honestly I'd rather have a second match in 7 days than penalties
but obviously it is not a feasible solution

The conditions in the penalty shootout were fifty-fifty and indeed this defeat was very difficult to predict because apart from luck, the mentality was also clearly tested.
Their good performance won't be guaranteed in the penalty shootout and even if it's also a shame that some of the kicks were missed there but in this case I still feel they did very well in this regard.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 08, 2023, 07:06:07 AM

Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on June 08, 2023, 06:02:39 AM

With results like this it can be said that Juventus are the unluckiest club this season and Milan are the luckiest club at the end of the season.

The issue of Juventus is not related to luck or what, it is strictly the consequences of their actions or punishment for their crime. The only reason I was sympathetic with them is the method of the points deduction. Assuming the points were removed when the news first comes, they would have done better. It seems they relaxed before the punishment came towards season end.
People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League indeed Italy missed opportunities.

You should read the entirety of what I wrote earlier.
Indeed, in this case when the reduction of points is the result of the conditions of those who cheat but on the other hand the condition of Juventus this season is not only about reducing points and that I have written before.
Talking about the reduction of points is indeed unfortunate but regardless it is part of what must be done. their officials made mistakes that violated and the consequences they had to accept the reduction even though there may be those who do not know this is happening and not related to the game but still when the officials are guilty then all will be affected.

As for the loss of luck at the end, it can't be blamed either because after all the final there must be one that wins there, it's just that even though they worked hard, the results said otherwise for the Europa League and Conference League finals.

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Quote from: snipie on June 08, 2023, 08:57:33 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on June 08, 2023, 07:06:07 AM

People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League indeed Italy missed opportunities.

Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

well if I remember correctly Roma lost on penalties
unfortunately penalties are a very unpleasant thing, I don't like them
honestly I'd rather have a second match in 7 days than penalties
but obviously it is not a feasible solution

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 08, 2023, 07:06:07 AM

People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League indeed Italy missed opportunities.

Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

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Quote from: NicNacCoin on June 08, 2023, 02:08:37 AM

Building a strong team must cost money. A team can never be made strong and beautiful without spending money. And yes in this case 'Roma' is not at all interested in spending any money on the team due to which Roma cannot win the title despite being very strong. I think next season Roma need to strengthen the squad to win the title. And they must bring in stars to strengthen this squat. If Roma can bring in stars and strengthen the management then surely they can win the title next season.

But costing a lot of money will not give you guarantee if your team will be as good as you have planned before. Let's take a look at what already done by chelsea. Chelsea has spent a half of billion USD and it was placing at the bottom.
Mourinho has proven even with cheap squads and he was able bringing roma to the european final two times. The main requirement to build a proper team through building the chemistry between the players.

The good team is always having good chemistry no matter how many supers stars in the club. A good club is not always costing a lot of money.
Sometime the club needs to find a good players by buying it from another club but it's not always working properly. Roma didn't have money to sign the new players.
I remember when the owner of roma was giving only less than 8 millions to sign the new players which is very small.
That's why mourintho was not buying expensive players in the winter transfer season.

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Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on June 08, 2023, 06:02:39 AM

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Serie A season 2022/23 have been over and Napoli as the winner, here latest standings position and teams qualify to Champion League, Europe League and Conference League next season. Still good news for Juventus's fans after their teams got points deduction and can finish on 7th standings position as the last placed for qualifying to UEFA Conference League next season.

Champion League Group Stage teams

Napoli
Lazio
Inter Milan
AC Milan

Europe League Group Stage teams

Atalanta
AS Roma

Conference League

Juventus

With results like this it can be said that Juventus are the unluckiest club this season and Milan are the luckiest club at the end of the season.

The issue of Juventus is not related to luck or what, it is strictly the consequences of their actions or punishment for their crime. The only reason I was sympathetic with them is the method of the points deduction. Assuming the points were removed when the news first comes, they would have done better. It seems they relaxed before the punishment came towards season end.
People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League indeed Italy missed opportunities.

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It's a real shame for Cremonese, they just got promoted to Serie A this season and in the same season they were relegated again. Maybe those who don't know Cremonese are looking forward to returning to Serie A after waiting for 26 years and in the end they have to be willing to return to Serie B next season.
The series of bad results they got this season made them unable to survive in the Italian highest competition and all the efforts they have made so far have been in vain. I hope Cremonese can bounce back and hope they can be more established if they want to return to Serie A later.

At the beginning of season Cremonese only able to collect 7 points from 18 matches and it makes Cremonese owner have to sacked their previous coach Massimiliano Alvini and Davide Ballardini was appears as new coach and he was contract until 2024 season but apparently Ballardini also can't do much for this team because under him Cremonese still displayed poor performance
Cremonese has win from Salernitana in the last match with scores 2-0 but unfortunately this result cannot help them because since week 36 Cremonese has been decided to relegated to Serie B and 5 wins and 21 lose during this season that was poor records and it makes Cremonese have to relegated because Cremonese only have 27 points and nothing they can do because they cannot keep up and compete against other teams in Serie A

Cremonese will find it difficult to compete in Serie A and that's what they always face only occasionally when they can play in Serie A they can perform better but usually they will only last a few seasons in Serie A and will return to a division where they have played more namely Serie B.
It's not easy to build a team that is strong and competitive, strong finances are the key, without big money, any team will only be a complementary team.
So when Cremonese changed theirs manager it wouldn't help and make a significant change, but they were pretty good in the Coppa Italia because they reached the semifinals but were knocked out by Fiorentina but they managed to get rid of Napoli and AS Roma and that was their best achievement, the rest of their ranking tells how it really is this team.

I don't expect a good performance from the Cremonese team either. Actually, this team is quite weak. Their weaknesses in both offense and defense were quite visible. They scored just 36 goals in 38 matches and conceded 69 goals. They were in the relegation zone due to such a poor performance. And the team has won only 5 matches this season. I'm happy that Cremonese didn't qualify for Serie A. They should form a stronger team. It is not possible to survive in a competitive platform like Serie A with such a weak team.

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Quote from: Bobrox on June 07, 2023, 10:49:26 PM

Serie A season 2022/23 have been over and Napoli as the winner, here latest standings position and teams qualify to Champion League, Europe League and Conference League next season. Still good news for Juventus's fans after their teams got points deduction and can finish on 7th standings position as the last placed for qualifying to UEFA Conference League next season.

Champion League Group Stage teams

Napoli
Lazio
Inter Milan
AC Milan

Europe League Group Stage teams

Atalanta
AS Roma

Conference League

Juventus

With results like this it can be said that Juventus are the unluckiest club this season and Milan are the luckiest club at the end of the season.
Not without reason, Juventus have a lot of obstacles this season. Starting from Internal problems at the start of the season, matches that did not go well for them because of the hurricane of injuries that haunted them even until halfway through the season and finally their problems with policies that require points deduction drama for this season they are really very unlucky in this case because there are so many problems they have to accept.
Conversely, with Juventus' misfortune this season Milan have a good advantage because with that their position has been lifted and this season they were initially only possible for the Europa League now of course we know the Champions League is still their place next season.

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Quote from: Altryist on June 07, 2023, 11:19:39 AM

Mourinho got great opportunities at Manchester United, but this did not lead to anything, so it may not always give the expected result. I think that he will receive some kind of funding, since for two seasons in a row he took Roma to the Euro Cup finals, but this funding would be much larger if Roma won the El final and got a place in the Champions League. By the way, Mourinho decided to stay at Roma, so apparently he still got some kind of budget to strengthen the team.

I haven't seen any update on Mourinho's decision. Are you sure that his decision is final? Because a few days ago I read that he would be okay to stay longer but he said that he would inform the board if he gets an offer from PSG as well. This must be still the same now. Because PSG are about to sack Galtier and Mourinho is a strong candidate for now.

If PSG make an offer for Mourinho then I'm not so sure about if he would like to stay with Roma instead. Because while he can win titles easier with PSG why would he want to continue with Roma and struggle more, right?

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Jose Mourinho has a clear vision and mission and even though Roma is not a wealthy team that has a lot of money, so far the Roma team has improved a lot after the last 2 seasons when coached by Jose Mourinho.
but now Mourinho has been rumored to move to another team, there is a team that is eyeing him, namely PSG, I really regret it if the coach leaves because it is very likely that Rome will fall back if left by Jose Mourinho.

Yes I agree with you. As Roma suited Jose to train because he had a clear vision and mission for the future of As Roma. It can be proven that in the era of Rudi Garcia, Montella, and Spaletti, As Roma did not fix As Roma from a slump. It was only in this era that he won the conference. Coaches like Mou are given a little money from As Roma, they can still upgrade. Dybala might have wanted to come to As roma because there was Jose Mourinho, if not there, Dybala might have gone to Man United at that time.

But if As Roma are still stingy not to spend money and don't bring in other top players, there is no mistaking the rumors that Jose Mourinho going to PSG is a good choice.

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Jose Mourinho has a clear vision and mission and even though Roma is not a wealthy team that has a lot of money, so far the Roma team has improved a lot after the last 2 seasons when coached by Jose Mourinho

Mourinho is a very experienced coach and he has a successful career with a strong belief in his tactics. He clearly knows what he needs for his squad and he is good to boost player mentality for a common interest of the club. If a club totally supports Mourinho with his management and force their players into discipline, Mourinho can bring success to a club. His career shows this from Porto, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, Manchester United and Roma. When a club supports players and don't support Mourinho, bad results will come as we saw some times in Chelsea, Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspur.

Modern football with abundant money from rich club ownership gives too much power to players and managers, coaches nowadays have more difficulty to control dress rooms of their clubs. It is only harmful for a club success and if you need best example, look at PSG.

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but now Mourinho has been rumored to move to another team, there is a team that is eyeing him, namely PSG, I really regret it if the coach leaves because it is very likely that Rome will fall back if left by Jose Mourinho.

Mourinho found another successful chapter for his career in Rome with AS Roma but he is ambitious and want to get bigger success with Roma. He needs more money for transfer to buy players and build up a stronger squad. His future in Rome will depend on his meeting with Roma director board members and a promised transfer budget he gets if he stays in Rome.

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Quote from: Bobrox on June 07, 2023, 10:49:26 PM

Serie A season 2022/23 have been over and Napoli as the winner, here latest standings position and teams qualify to Champion League, Europe League and Conference League next season. Still good news for Juventus's fans after their teams got points deduction and can finish on 7th standings position as the last placed for qualifying to UEFA Conference League next season.

Champion League Group Stage teams

Napoli
Lazio
Inter Milan
AC Milan

Europe League Group Stage teams

Atalanta
AS Roma

Conference League

Juventus

Actually, Serie A teams has chance for playing one more slot to Champion League and Europe League, but failure from AS Roma and Fiorentina made both teams failed to play in Champion League and Europe League next season, actually for Fiorentina after losing over West Ham last night made their opportunity close for paying in Europe League.

Thank you very much for the summary, you have done me a great favor
Lazio and Milan eventually managed to get into it
unfortunately my beloved Juventus has dropped a lot due to the points removed, not even the Europa League. Patience.

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Quote from: Altryist on June 07, 2023, 11:19:39 AM

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A coach of the class of Jose Mourinho needs the full support of club management to do what he wants without any restrictions, and if he doesn't get that then he won't stay long in the team. Of course for a coach this is important because he can apply existing strategies without being hampered by anything, that is very good for the progress of the team. But AS Roma itself is not that easy to let its coach move alone, they are still limited in certain respects. I understand this, maybe they are hampered by something they cannot do freely, such as the club's finances for example, or other factors.

Mourinho got great opportunities at Manchester United, but this did not lead to anything, so it may not always give the expected result. I think that he will receive some kind of funding, since for two seasons in a row he took Roma to the Euro Cup finals, but this funding would be much larger if Roma won the El final and got a place in the Champions League. By the way, Mourinho decided to stay at Roma, so apparently he still got some kind of budget to strengthen the team.

Manchester United's compatibility with Mou is indeed very bad regardless of anything so he really can't do much, especially a different style of play, this is clearly a problem, but speaking of Roma, he doesn't have much difficulty because the playing style in Serie A, which has a slightly slower tempo, supports the scheme. he always tries to survive with his full defense.
Now it seems that he is still accepted by management and fans, even though there are still some negative comments about Mou's eccentricity in this regard, but so far he is still quite well-liked.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 09:56:14 PM

I agree with you. If a teams gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well. Now if Roma management prepares a decent fund to bring in new players and strengthen the team. Then maybe next season Roma team will aim to win the title. But the problem is that Roma management is not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money.

Mourinho knew the kind of job and project Roma has before taking the job. Roma is not a rich club that can spend like the other big clubs in Europe. Mourinho knows this, so he has to work with the available. Besides, Roma still spend in their own way. They got some reinforcement for Mourinho before the the season began. Dybala and Belloti are few players Roma got to add to the squad. More players will still join but it wont be high profile players. In fact I don't think any club in Italy can buy a high profile player.

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Quote from: Unknown Op on June 08, 2023, 03:56:40 AM

Victor Osimhen contribution is valued by the Napoli coach who plans to keep him on for the forthcoming campaign. The team competitiveness and strength are priorities for the president who is entirely dedicated to meeting those needs.

Victor Osimhen is very important for Napoli in the past two seasons and this season is a greatest achievement for him individually and for Napoli as a team. They won a first Scudetto after more than 30 years and went to Champions League semi finals.

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Bayern Munich might be interested in Osimhen but it unlikely that they can match the cash package Real Madrid might give. The president dedication to Napoli and the team success shows a strong desire to keep Osimhen on board and improve the team. The president wants to foster an atmosphere where players feel appreciated and motivated therefore he offers assistance and resources.

Bayern Munich is a big club and one of most successful club in Champions League, a most successful club in Bundesliga. However they are in rebuilding time and just won Bundesliga luckily with a very late goal of Musiala and fault from Dortmund. Osimhen might not interest in joining Bayern Munich because Bundesliga is not a more interesting league than Ligue 1 or Serie A. If Osimhen want to move to a new league, a new club, he will aim at Premier League or La Liga.

At Premier League, many rich clubs will open their arms and abundant budgets with the Nigerian striker. At La Liga, Real Madrid surely need to find a good striker to replace Benzema.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on June 07, 2023, 11:20:27 PM

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I know Napoli will not have the same performance at all and they are going to have problems because many players are going to leave this team next season but more than anything I'm worried about their young players like Osimhem because he is still young and he can have an unstable situation and if he makes wrong decision for next season and were going to see another start falling otherwise can have the chance to play in top team and earn great achievement with these teams.
I think there is a higher possibility for Osimhem to join Bayern Munich more than other teams.

I don't think, Napoli coach will allow Victor Osimhen to leave the team next season than to make everything he need available so that he can spend more season to keep the team stronger so that they can perform better in next season. Based on the arrangement on ground, show that Napoli president is fully ready to show all the Napoli players love so that they will believe that Napoli president cherish their performance they displayed to maintain the first position in the Italian league competition table through out the season. I don't think, Bayern Munich have such amount of money to pay Victor Osimhen like the amount Real Madrid want to pay young striker like victor Osimhen, if he can join the team next season.

Victor Osimhen contribution is valued by the Napoli coach who plans to keep him on for the forthcoming campaign. The team competitiveness and strength are priorities for the president who is entirely dedicated to meeting those needs. This action confirms that the president genuinely recognises the team accomplishment in attaining the top spot in the Italian league competition standings. Bayern Munich might be interested in Osimhen but it unlikely that they can match the cash package Real Madrid might give. The president dedication to Napoli and the team success shows a strong desire to keep Osimhen on board and improve the team. The president wants to foster an atmosphere where players feel appreciated and motivated therefore he offers assistance and resources.

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