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It's a real shame for Cremonese, they just got promoted to Serie A this season and in the same season they were relegated again. Maybe those who don't know Cremonese are looking forward to returning to Serie A after waiting for 26 years and in the end they have to be willing to return to Serie B next season.

The series of bad results they got this season made them unable to survive in the Italian highest competition and all the efforts they have made so far have been in vain. I hope Cremonese can bounce back and hope they can be more established if they want to return to Serie A later.

The point is Cremonese are not ready enough to survive the fierce competition in Serie A. So it is only natural that they will be relegated again in the same season when they started to return to Serie A. But maybe next season Cremonese will also return to Serie A with much better preparation .

Cremonese only has 5 wins, 12 draws and 21 losses from a total of 38 matches. and that of course would be very painful for all members of the club. It's just that they can certainly use their experience this season to improve the quality of their team in the next opportunity. And for now they must first focus on being the best in Serie B which will also restart later.

I think Cremonese are not ready to accept competition between teams in Serie A so they get unexpected results, they even accept reality again after only surviving one season in Serie A. I think the possibility of returning to Serie A is still small considering Cremonese's abilities are only this limited only and I think they deserve more to return to Serie B for a few seasons before they are really ready to return to Serie A because even if next season they succeed in promotion it will only be a waste of time with the maturity of their current squad. It seems like there will be a lot of things for them to think about and it will make them mentally stronger.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 02:45:46 PM

I know Napoli will not have the same performance at all and they are going to have problems because many players are going to leave this team next season but more than anything I'm worried about their young players like Osimhem because he is still young and he can have an unstable situation and if he makes wrong decision for next season and were going to see another start falling otherwise can have the chance to play in top team and earn great achievement with these teams.
I think there is a higher possibility for Osimhem to join Bayern Munich more than other teams.

You'd be surprised if you knew that Osimhen had decided to leave Napoli, right? It can't be denied that when a rising star leaves, it hurts like hell, especially if they were your favourite player. If Osimhen joined your squad, do you think they wouldn't feel a surge of energy, like a charged bolt, from the spark he'd provide? However, we need to slow down for a second. Do you not believe that the young genius needs a stable environment in which to reach his full potential?

Now things begin to take an intriguing turn. Think about this: The top dog at Napoli is thinking about covering Osimhen in a protective shield and giving him all the tools he needs to do his job and stick to his word. Yes, it's reassuring to think about. This strikes me as a potentially astute move for the team's continuity into the upcoming season.

Although rumours of Bayern Munich's entry have been circulating, can they really hope to compete financially with giants like Real Madrid?

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I agree with you. If a group gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well

Roma did not spend enough money to build up their squad and with this, having 2 final matches in Europe just within 2 seasons is impressive. They even could win the Europa League final if luckiness and referee stand with them.

I expected Roma to win the Europa League final. But unfortunately, they could not win. If luck was with us, maybe the Roma team would have won the Europa League. They managed to perform well in the finals as well. A small mistake made them lose.

I also had hope that Roma would win the Europa League this season but it's a shame they lost on penalties.
But at least they have performed quite well and are satisfying because they made it to the final to fight for the title against Sevilla.

For the Italian Serie A, Roma played not so satisfactorily, they even had to finish this season with only 6th place.
Maybe next season Mourinho can correct some of the mistakes of Roma so that he can perform even better in the several leagues he will be running.

Yea,that was what we all thought because Mourinho is their coach but from the match,what I understood was that it is not the coach that will play the match but the players. Roma players performed tiredly towards the end of the match and this brought poor result which led to penalty. Roma need to buy more players to help keep the match force and also they should have a good substitute to always assist when it is needful. I believe that Roma must have learn from their mistake this season and will work things out next season so that they can be able to win a trophy. That lost in the final brought a stain to Mourinho clean sheet of unbeaten in Europa league.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 09:56:14 PM

I agree with you. If a teams gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well. Now if Roma management prepares a decent fund to bring in new players and strengthen the team. Then maybe next season Roma team will aim to win the title. But the problem is that Roma management is not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money.

Building a strong team must cost money. A team can never be made strong and beautiful without spending money. And yes in this case 'Roma' is not at all interested in spending any money on the team due to which Roma cannot win the title despite being very strong. I think next season Roma need to strengthen the squad to win the title. And they must bring in stars to strengthen this squat. If Roma can bring in stars and strengthen the management then surely they can win the title next season.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 09:56:14 PM

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Good things are built over time, look at my beloved Atalanta, until a few years ago they were in the lower part of the standings and if we go back they went up and down from Serie B
Now he's in the top tier and participates in the European cups
this is how it is done
in this way team become strong like rock

I agree with you. If a teams gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well. Now if Roma management prepares a decent fund to bring in new players and strengthen the team. Then maybe next season Roma team will aim to win the title. But the problem is that Roma management is not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money.

so you agree with me, leaving now (I mean Jose Mourinho) seems to me a really silly choice
besides, I don't expect intelligent things from someone like him
my estimation towards him is close to zero
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Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 11:01:49 PM

Mourinho needs more money to strengthen his squad. And it's true. Roma's attack is still not strong enough. We have seen Roma's erratic performances in Serie A due to the weakness in attack. If the Roma management cannot pay Mourinho enough money to buy players, Mourinho may leave the team. Because it is not possible to win the title with such a mediocre team. Mourinho will definitely want to win the title.

makes sense. improving Roma performance this summer requires serious discussion between Roma officials and the coach to be able to build a stronger team in the big league later.
I'm not saying Roma are too bad in Serie A, it's just that last season they were too focused on UEL and the achievement was almost successful in reaching the final round, it's just that Sevilla might be stronger in terms of experience.
I just hope Mourinho is given the freedom to decide which players to replace because I believe there is a good plan for Roma.

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I agree with you. If a group gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well

Roma did not spend enough money to build up their squad and with this, having 2 final matches in Europe just within 2 seasons is impressive. They even could win the Europa League final if luckiness and referee stand with them.

I expected Roma to win the Europa League final. But unfortunately, they could not win. If luck was with us, maybe the Roma team would have won the Europa League. They managed to perform well in the finals as well. A small mistake made them lose.

I also had hope that Roma would win the Europa League this season but it's a shame they lost on penalties.
But at least they have performed quite well and are satisfying because they made it to the final to fight for the title against Sevilla.

For the Italian Serie A, Roma played not so satisfactorily, they even had to finish this season with only 6th place.
Maybe next season Mourinho can correct some of the mistakes of Roma so that he can perform even better in the several leagues he will be running.

from the 2018/2019 season. AS Roma can only be in the European League places, they cannot improve to be in the Champions League zone. I personally have a different assessment of AS Roma this season, yes, by limping they can still be in 6th place, which is not a bad result in my opinion, yes, although it cannot be said to be a good result either. But at least they can still be in the European competition.

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I agree with you. If a group gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well

Roma did not spend enough money to build up their squad and with this, having 2 final matches in Europe just within 2 seasons is impressive. They even could win the Europa League final if luckiness and referee stand with them.

I expected Roma to win the Europa League final. But unfortunately, they could not win. If luck was with us, maybe the Roma team would have won the Europa League. They managed to perform well in the finals as well. A small mistake made them lose.

I also had hope that Roma would win the Europa League this season but it's a shame they lost on penalties.
But at least they have performed quite well and are satisfying because they made it to the final to fight for the title against Sevilla.

For the Italian Serie A, Roma played not so satisfactorily, they even had to finish this season with only 6th place.
Maybe next season Mourinho can correct some of the mistakes of Roma so that he can perform even better in the several leagues he will be running.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 07, 2023, 01:03:35 PM

It's a real shame for Cremonese, they just got promoted to Serie A this season and in the same season they were relegated again. Maybe those who don't know Cremonese are looking forward to returning to Serie A after waiting for 26 years and in the end they have to be willing to return to Serie B next season.

The series of bad results they got this season made them unable to survive in the Italian highest competition and all the efforts they have made so far have been in vain. I hope Cremonese can bounce back and hope they can be more established if they want to return to Serie A later.

At the beginning of season Cremonese only able to collect 7 points from 18 matches and it makes Cremonese owner have to sacked their previous coach Massimiliano Alvini and Davide Ballardini was appears as new coach and he was contract until 2024 season but apparently Ballardini also can't do much for this team because under him Cremonese still displayed poor performance

Cremonese has win from Salernitana in the last match with scores 2-0 but unfortunately this result cannot help them because since week 36 Cremonese has been decided to relegated to Serie B and 5 wins and 21 lose during this season that was poor records and it makes Cremonese have to relegated because Cremonese only have 27 points and nothing they can do because they cannot keep up and compete against other teams in Serie A

Cremonese will find it difficult to compete in Serie A and that's what they always face only occasionally when they can play in Serie A they can perform better but usually they will only last a few seasons in Serie A and will return to a division where they have played more namely Serie B.
It's not easy to build a team that is strong and competitive, strong finances are the key, without big money, any team will only be a complementary team.
So when Cremonese changed theirs manager it wouldn't help and make a significant change, but they were pretty good in the Coppa Italia because they reached the semifinals but were knocked out by Fiorentina but they managed to get rid of Napoli and AS Roma and that was their best achievement, the rest of their ranking tells how it really is this team.

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I know Napoli will not have the same performance at all and they are going to have problems because many players are going to leave this team next season but more than anything I'm worried about their young players like Osimhem because he is still young and he can have an unstable situation and if he makes wrong decision for next season and were going to see another start falling otherwise can have the chance to play in top team and earn great achievement with these teams.
I think there is a higher possibility for Osimhem to join Bayern Munich more than other teams.

I don't think, Napoli coach will allow Victor Osimhen to leave the team next season than to make everything he need available so that he can spend more season to keep the team stronger so that they can perform better in next season. Based on the arrangement on ground, show that Napoli president is fully ready to show all the Napoli players love so that they will believe that Napoli president cherish their performance they displayed to maintain the first position in the Italian league competition table through out the season. I don't think, Bayern Munich have such amount of money to pay Victor Osimhen like the amount Real Madrid want to pay young striker like victor Osimhen, if he can join the team next season.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 07, 2023, 01:03:35 PM

It's a real shame for Cremonese, they just got promoted to Serie A this season and in the same season they were relegated again. Maybe those who don't know Cremonese are looking forward to returning to Serie A after waiting for 26 years and in the end they have to be willing to return to Serie B next season.

The series of bad results they got this season made them unable to survive in the Italian highest competition and all the efforts they have made so far have been in vain. I hope Cremonese can bounce back and hope they can be more established if they want to return to Serie A later.

At the beginning of season Cremonese only able to collect 7 points from 18 matches and it makes Cremonese owner have to sacked their previous coach Massimiliano Alvini and Davide Ballardini was appears as new coach and he was contract until 2024 season but apparently Ballardini also can't do much for this team because under him Cremonese still displayed poor performance

Cremonese has win from Salernitana in the last match with scores 2-0 but unfortunately this result cannot help them because since week 36 Cremonese has been decided to relegated to Serie B and 5 wins and 21 lose during this season that was poor records and it makes Cremonese have to relegated because Cremonese only have 27 points and nothing they can do because they cannot keep up and compete against other teams in Serie A

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on June 07, 2023, 10:17:00 PM

Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 09:56:14 PM

I agree with you. If a group gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well

Roma did not spend enough money to build up their squad and with this, having 2 final matches in Europe just within 2 seasons is impressive. They even could win the Europa League final if luckiness and referee stand with them.

I expected Roma to win the Europa League final. But unfortunately, they could not win. If luck was with us, maybe the Roma team would have won the Europa League. They managed to perform well in the finals as well. A small mistake made them lose.

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Now if Roma management prepares a decent fund to bring in new players and strengthen the team. Then maybe next season Roma team will aim to win the title. But the problem is that Roma management is not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money.

Anyway the final match already ended and they lost, so they have to move on with a new season. That will begin with this summer transfer and with a first big brick for their plan, will Jose Mourinho stay with them or leave?
It is clearly that Jose is very important for their success in last two seasons and he has one more year in the current contract but he told publicly that he needs more money to buy more players. The current squad is not strong enough and more important, lack of deepth. Injuries can destroy Roma competitiveness and impact their standing in Serie A as well as their plans for Europa League next season.

Mourinho needs more money to strengthen his squad. And it's true. Roma's attack is still not strong enough. We have seen Roma's erratic performances in Serie A due to the weakness in attack. If the Roma management cannot pay Mourinho enough money to buy players, Mourinho may leave the team. Because it is not possible to win the title with such a mediocre team. Mourinho will definitely want to win the title.

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Serie A season 2022/23 have been over and Napoli as the winner, here latest standings position and teams qualify to Champion League, Europe League and Conference League next season. Still good news for Juventus's fans after their teams got points deduction and can finish on 7th standings position as the last placed for qualifying to UEFA Conference League next season.

Champion League Group Stage teams

Napoli
Lazio
Inter Milan
AC Milan

Europe League Group Stage teams

Atalanta
AS Roma

Conference League

Juventus

Actually, Serie A teams has chance for playing one more slot to Champion League and Europe League, but failure from AS Roma and Fiorentina made both teams failed to play in Champion League and Europe League next season, actually for Fiorentina after losing over West Ham last night made their opportunity close for paying in Europe League.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 09:56:14 PM

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Good things are built over time, look at my beloved Atalanta, until a few years ago they were in the lower part of the standings and if we go back they went up and down from Serie B
Now he's in the top tier and participates in the European cups
this is how it is done
in this way team become strong like rock

I agree with you. If a group gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well. Now if Roma management prepares a decent fund to bring in new players and strengthen the team. Then maybe next season Roma team will aim to win the title. But the problem is that Roma management is not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money.

So true. everything always requires a fairly long process. and it is very rare for a club to immediately achieve success at the start of their standing. Everything always starts from the bottom. And Atalanta is like that too. And after a club is at the top of the standings, this does not guarantee that in the following season they will still be at the top of the standings. because it could be that in the next season they lose their form for some reason. be it because of a change of coach or because of the abandonment of good players.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 09:56:14 PM

I agree with you. If a group gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well

Roma did not spend enough money to build up their squad and with this, having 2 final matches in Europe just within 2 seasons is impressive. They even could win the Europa League final if luckiness and referee stand with them.

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Now if Roma management prepares a decent fund to bring in new players and strengthen the team. Then maybe next season Roma team will aim to win the title. But the problem is that Roma management is not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money.

Anyway the final match already ended and they lost, so they have to move on with a new season. That will begin with this summer transfer and with a first big brick for their plan, will Jose Mourinho stay with them or leave?

It is clearly that Jose is very important for their success in last two seasons and he has one more year in the current contract but he told publicly that he needs more money to buy more players. The current squad is not strong enough and more important, lack of deepth. Injuries can destroy Roma competitiveness and impact their standing in Serie A as well as their plans for Europa League next season.

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Quote from: babo on June 07, 2023, 02:04:23 PM

Quote from: Iranus on June 07, 2023, 12:54:11 PM

I'd say if any big club stops with an offer for Mourinho he should leave Roma. Because Mourinho's future in Roma is not good. Roma management does not spend a lot of money to build their squad. And so Mourinho cannot build a squad with the players of his choice. Mourinho will not leave Roma if the Roma management provides enough funds to Mourinho. But if any big club wants to give Mourinho the responsibility of their team. Then surely they will prepare big funds for Mourinho to add the players that Mourinho needs to the squad. Mourinho will have the opportunity to build the squad as he wants.

Good things are built over time, look at my beloved Atalanta, until a few years ago they were in the lower part of the standings and if we go back they went up and down from Serie B
Now he's in the top tier and participates in the European cups
this is how it is done
in this way team become strong like rock

I agree with you. If a teams gradually becomes stronger. Then it has a long shelf life. The way the Roma team has performed in the last two seasons is absolutely commendable. Their squad was not very strong. Still, they managed to perform quite well. Now if Roma management prepares a decent fund to bring in new players and strengthen the team. Then maybe next season Roma team will aim to win the title. But the problem is that Roma management is not interested in building the team by spending a lot of money.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on June 07, 2023, 05:47:09 PM

They will most likely not be losing Kvaratskhelia during this summer transfer window. Napoli is not an easy club to do business, especially with a player they do not want to sell. Kvaratskhelia will remain because Napoli might slap a 150 million Euros price tag on him and no club is breaking the bank to get him just yet.

It seems true. I just saw if kvarat has been clarrifying it. The question that remain unanswered was related to the osimhen.

Napoli was changing its mind again about osimhen. It has been decreasing the price tag. TBH, 150m was so crazy as fuck even though if he was the best striker in serie a right now. Im still waiting for which clubs that will sending their bid for osimhen.
Napoli's president is always inconsistent with his statement.

Quote from: Alpha Marine on June 07, 2023, 05:47:09 PM

Osimhen is valued at around 80 million, meaning they'll get enough money to get a good replacement. If Napoli can just get a better coach to handle the team, they will be just fine.
The sale of Min Jae too would be felt, but I heard he's joining Liverpool for about 50 million. That is a lot of money to get you reinforcement. So Napoli would be good next season. It just depends on the coach they hire.

It's more than it. You can't take the value that already made by transfermrkt. The price will be determined by the owner of contract. Osimhen never valued around 80m.

There's no guarantee if the new coach will able to perform as good as spalletti.

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Quote from: Alpha Marine on June 07, 2023, 05:47:09 PM

Quote from: makishart on June 06, 2023, 06:48:32 PM

Napoli next season

- No spalletti
- No minjae
- No osimhen (possible)
- No kvarat (possible)

To be honest losing spallettig has been changing the team a lot started from strategy, line up, etc. losing minjae was also changing the defensive line in the club as min jae has become one of great players in napoli.
He has been deciding move to the EPL and so, that makes sense if napoli will not have same performance again next season like this time.
There will be so many things change in napoli for next season. Im sure that if it will not be dominating the match again.

They will most likely not be losing Kvaratskhelia during this summer transfer window. Napoli is not an easy club to do business, especially with a player they do not want to sell. Kvaratskhelia will remain because Napoli might slap a 150 million Euros price tag on him and no club is breaking the bank to get him just yet.
Osimhen is valued at around 80 million, meaning they'll get enough money to get a good replacement. If Napoli can just get a better coach to handle the team, they will be just fine.
The sale of Min Jae too would be felt, but I heard he's joining Liverpool for about 50 million. That is a lot of money to get you reinforcement. So Napoli would be good next season. It just depends on the coach they hire.

I don't know whether Napoli would be able to turn down two large offers for their strikers Kvaratskhelia and Osimhen, but they will certainly be patient for now before they make any decisions. Time is running in their favor as both players still have contracts, so there is no risk on that front. But I think if they get two crazy offers for both of these players , they might decide to let one go. They are probably not in the position that they are able to afford to just say no to so much money that will potentially be offered. Though I haven't heard about any concrete news regarding Kvaratskhelia. Making one decision too early could be costly because what are they going to do if they sell Kvaratskhelia and then some weird offer comes for Osimhen? They would first make sure to sign another promising player.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 07, 2023, 01:03:35 PM

It's a real shame for Cremonese, they just got promoted to Serie A this season and in the same season they were relegated again. Maybe those who don't know Cremonese are looking forward to returning to Serie A after waiting for 26 years and in the end they have to be willing to return to Serie B next season.

Cremonese was a clown club. It's not surprise to see this team go back again to the serie b. I think that you will be seeing cremonese to get back into the serie a again next year. it's caused by that if cremonese may be dominating the competition into the serie be for second time. Cremonese deserves it since cremonese has horrible performance in serie a. it's not in the level to stay in serie a even longer. Serie b has become the right place for cremonese right now.
What a clown team. It was missing so many chances.

Quote from: rendravolt on June 07, 2023, 01:03:35 PM

The series of bad results they got this season made them unable to survive in the Italian highest competition and all the efforts they have made so far have been in vain. I hope Cremonese can bounce back and hope they can be more established if they want to return to Serie A later.

Cremonese was able winning the game at the end of seasons yet if it was still very inconsistent. That's why cremonese deserves to be dropped again to the serie b next season.
Cremonese needs to learn even more how to compete in serie a caused by the competition was very strict for cremonese.

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Quote from: makishart on June 06, 2023, 06:48:32 PM

Napoli next season

- No spalletti
- No minjae
- No osimhen (possible)
- No kvarat (possible)

To be honest losing spallettig has been changing the team a lot started from strategy, line up, etc. losing minjae was also changing the defensive line in the club as min jae has become one of great players in napoli.
He has been deciding move to the EPL and so, that makes sense if napoli will not have same performance again next season like this time.
There will be so many things change in napoli for next season. Im sure that if it will not be dominating the match again.

They will most likely not be losing Kvaratskhelia during this summer transfer window. Napoli is not an easy club to do business, especially with a player they do not want to sell. Kvaratskhelia will remain because Napoli might slap a 150 million Euros price tag on him and no club is breaking the bank to get him just yet.
Osimhen is valued at around 80 million, meaning they'll get enough money to get a good replacement. If Napoli can just get a better coach to handle the team, they will be just fine.
The sale of Min Jae too would be felt, but I heard he's joining Liverpool for about 50 million. That is a lot of money to get you reinforcement. So Napoli would be good next season. It just depends on the coach they hire.

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