Topic: It's F'n happening ----- Polk VS. Negreanu HUNL Grudge Match (Read 1034 times)

Couldn't agree more. I laugh as I play a lot on GGnetwork lately. They give you a decent player profile, 3 or 4 hud stats, and an overall winnings on GG. I always make sure now to double chek the earnings(not the best factor)because under 750 total I dial back all bluffs. I used to get to the river and make a reasonable bluff, only to have been called down 2 or 3 streets with floped 3rd pair or something crazy. Same table will have a guy who's won 200$ and people 200K plus in winnings, wide range of experiences. Love it though because that bit of info everyone gets has helped me adjust massively.

I haven't seen the entire podcast yet. I think it was early to pullout, maybe take a few weeks off and regroup then go at it and at least get over the halfway mark.

I actually have been waiting for the Hellmuth prop bet to get started, where he has to try and be profitable in 25K touneys. Pretty sure it was accepted between him and Dnegs so that will be fun to track.

^  The thing is, when you’re playing low stakes, just play fundamentally solid ABC poker and you’ll win.  Just grind and avoid fancy play syndrome.  But if you’re playing for sh*ts and gigs, then sure..  You go ahead and do the fancy stuff.  Lol. 

Doug Polk had an interview with a couple of people, one from Landon Tice’s team talking about the challenge.  For Doug, he thinks Tice pulled out too early.

Never have I read a more truthful statement on the internet. It's funny uping the strategy game when your bankroll is still micros/low because following it to a T will leave you a losing player. Mainly people don't know when they are supposed to fold, leads to them overcalling and that will always be -ev. It doesn't make them a better player or a winning player but it will hit you with more suckouts.
Blinked and it was over. I caught the first 2 sessions on and off at work I believe. I recall Landon, being a bit liberal with his A high bluffcatch for stacks. I wasn't that hyped for the match, I think Landon is a neat character and have seen him popping up in a bunch of vlogs and appearances, but it all seemed really rushed for him to be taking on a HU challenge. I don't know his overall strategy, but he started as Cash, and has been playing a ton of tournaments so maybe he just didn't prepare enough and was overconfident.

I don't know much about the rest but I'm guessing he figured overall it was cheaper to quit now than let it run it's course and not beat the handicap he gave.

^  Be careful applying those moves they do at high stakes in your own play at the softer micro - low stakes games.  The mind set at the high level is different from low level games so it’s mostly better to nit up and stick with the basics at lower stakes.

And most of the time, those guys at high stakes poker usually have some play history vs each other.  So those ‘moves’ are really based off the reads they already have vs their opponents.

Anyway, dropped by to ask if anybody followed Landon Tice vs Bill Perkins HU challenge..?

I'm really loving Doug's retirment so far. He can't help himself it seems. About a month ago, he showed up and was playing at one of the Texas Card houses, I thin khe wound up on stream. Then I saw he registered this, and streamed the live draw for matchups. I'm gonna go back and skim through some of whatever is online next set of nighshifts.

I haven't looked into it, but don't remember many tournaments like this in the past. Seems like HUNL is in a bit of a revival with all the challenges that have been going down the last year or so.
Sorry totally missed this.

For you poker fans out there.  Ivey vs Antonius HU battle at WPT.  I think Joe Ingram is going to be on the mic.  So it should he good.  Enjoy!  

Ivey vs Antonius WPT Heads Up Championship Finals.  Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daR3q3KKQ0o

Mind if you do the tldr version?

I dont catch most of it. All I've seen on the video was that instead of using multiple preflop chart like Dneg, he is only using one provided by his team . Lots of people have been using this and most of them are winning players in poker. If you play regularly and encounter lots of similar spot , you can basically execute the same action shown on those charts without even looking at it anymore


Isnt it necessary to have pre flop ranges on certain position? Thats what differ you from all those recreational players that only open hands based on " I think this is a good hand ". Of course this only applies to winning players and by winning players , I refer it to those that make their livings from poker by basically getting X amount each month instead of 'gambling' with it

It's a good watch. I've been seeing and reading things like this quite a bit, especially in regards to Cash Games. People essentially call it solved, mainly because there are less variables - no antes and for example generally 100BB deep.

I don't know how close MTT's are getting but I remember when I first found out people use HUD's and will make certain calls in a spot just based on your stats. It blew my mind.  It's really no different than anything else where there is an opportunity to make someone else's money yours. Some people will do anything to win where others have a line somewhere. Personally I have ranges for pre-flop action, I don't use them to play only to study and compare how well I'm sticking to my range. I will review a spot after the hand has played if I was completely lost, but that's about as close to RTA as I get.

Maybe the difference is I love to play. I also really enjoy challenging myself to be better, without aides.

It will be interesting to see what the future of online Poker brings.

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For whatever reason I assumed they were only going to have their preflop ranges simply displayed as a grid format. I had no idea it was essentially a solved sim for preflop. This is where live poker will always be much more exciting as an exhibition. I'm hoping this year will be my chance to play my first live tournament.

Watch this.

More Charts Aren’t Better:  GTO Musings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-HidIXbmU

I have no idea why Doug would expose himself like that.  I feel like he’s leveling everybody and he’s really trying to expose the state of online poker as it actually is today:  That it’s not poker anymore.  The spirit of the game is dead.

^  Rofl!  The pleasure was mine...  As usual.    I tend to get the losing end of these side bets I’m making here in the gambling section.  I think I have two more losing side bets.  With Trofo and another guy I forgot about.    I think it was with Death Angel.

Address sent. Pleasure doing business with you 

I really didn't feel confident I was going to win the bet until the homestretch. Especially after losing the biggest session of the challenge I for sure thought it was going to keep narrowing the lead. I did watch that video Doug put out and he was very specific.

I thought a lot about what he was saying with Dnegs bluffing and overvaluing on how good the spot was. Not that they weren't good bluff spots but that his cards made it a weaker bluff than it should be, like having a pair and a blocker to the nuts as opposed to just blockers.

Weirdest thing about it all was I never looked into their coaching teams, and didn't realise Dnegs wasn't working with any High stakes HU players

Well thanks to that, he won the challenge otherwise it would have been different. So far I think Dneg only manage to catch Doug's bluff like 2 out of 10 and Doug won alot of decent pot thanks to that. In few early hands of the challenge, Dneg would fold to Doug's Turn all in shove but later Dneg tried to made few hero calls which end up pretty bad for him

I guess people dont call Doug as the best HU player for nothing huh but overall Dneg is better than most of the old live player. Helmuth would have lose alot more in this challenge imo

^  Hah.  I guess I owe somebody 10 bucks.  Lol.  

Steamtyme, just send me your BTC address so I can ship it your way asap.  Thanks.  

And here’s a vid uploaded by Doug at YT..  It’s basically a recap of the match and his assesment on how good he thinks DNegs played.  It was a fair ‘B - B+’.  He thought DNegs should be a little more aggro in some spots and fight for pots.

My REAL Thoughts on How Negreanu Played
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuM3IsRxBEw

Updating this thread with the latest results

Doug Polk +$946,085.32 over 23,282 hands

The entire challenge has 1718 hands to go and at this point, I dont see how Dneg could turn this around. Dneg won the biggest session with +$390,032.13 over 1046 hands then Doug switch to a new limping strategy to lower the variances of the pot sizes then take further lead on this challenge

Does anyone made any bet on Doug?  

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Final result :

Doug Polk won the challenge with rough estimate of $1.2 M

Here's to hoping. Was getting less comfortable until todays results.

Doug managed to win a decent one pulling back 100K+, so he's back over 600K - I believe it was a 600 hand day which makes sense Daniel has cut the session shorter when he gets down. Definitely not over but this makes it a harder path to victory for Daniel.

Depending on what bets he took, Daniel is still going to be losing. Pretty sure he didn't bet against himself. If he took Perkins up on his 10:1 to beat Doug he still loses 100K there or whatever stake they went with. No matter what if he didn't bet on himself to lose, he's losing more.

Now if he pull out the win, Doug is losing a ton of cash, and I have to kiss my 50 good bye 

If the hand counter is at exactly 15,250 hands right now that means we have 9,750 hands to go. Recently they will play exactly 750 hands on each session so 13 more sessions to go.

12 Buy in and 13 more sessions to go, that is going to be rough for Dneg to win 1 buy in on average for the remaining sessions.


Yeah he needs to dominate the remaining sessions.


The best scenario would be Doug to win the this HU Match with less than $50k advantage over Dneg. $50k is basically peanut for Dneg and that means the only loser of this match would be those backing up Dneg for the side bet 

^  How many hands to go?  Chasing 12 buyins against Doug HU is a very tall order.  DNegs would need more than just play good.  He’ll need an absolute god mode heater.

Anyway..  I think I’m gonna owe somebody 10 bucks in a couple of weeks or so.  Lolol.  

Dneg currently on his 4th winning streak. The last session ended up with Dneg having +$132k with overall result of +$484k over 15,250 hands for Doug. Its still almost half a million advantage for Doug but if this winning streak continue then Dneg might be able to catch up somehow. Even if he doesnt, he probably wouldnt be losing that much

Doug even tweeted that Dneg plays alot more better recently so expect to see some surprise from Doug for the next session. He is definitely not going to let Dneg keep on winning


This will be great if it happens

^  So how’s my guy DNegs doing?  Lol.  I don’t think he’ll catch up vs Doug without doubling up the stakes and getting a heater imo.  Doug is just too skilled in online HUNL.

Anyway, I hope Pokergo brings them back again and have the last 500 hands played live with hole cards cameras.  

Daniel currently has 3 streak winning session, not much for the last one only up by $27k but he is definitely catching up nw


Its not going to happen.

According to https://upswingpoker.com/doug-polk-vs-daniel-negreanu-grudge-match-rules/. The stake will be the same until the end of the game and if they want to increase the stake, they would need to start a new HU match after this hit 25,000 hands


It could be ending somewhere around that. They usually play for 3 sessions a week on average and recently they play exact amount of either 500 or 750 hands for each session. Its currently on 14,500 hands so it should be around 4-5 weeks to go

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Pokershares currently has Dneg on 9.5x odds