Topic: It's F'n happening ----- Polk VS. Negreanu HUNL Grudge Match - page 4. (Read 1034 times)

I'd be down for watching some joey over excitement commentary while watching. It's nice to know there will be some options, I'm sure Kane will give a good explanation style commentary on certain spots.

I've been trying to find some more opinion pieces. So far I've mostly just seen guys liking the odds. Here is a Hellmuth tweet which I believe Doug took up on the offer
"I think @DougPolkVids is an amazing heads up player! Especially in no limit holdem, esp online, esp over 25,000 hands. But, I’m hearing Doug is 4-to-1 favorite over @RealKidPoker. This seems high, and I’ll bet on Daniel at 4-to-1. Reach out to me if your credible"

Matusow, I don't know what to say here is his announcement of betting half his bankroll, not to mention a 5K bet on trump winning the election - that was back in March to be fair. - my favorite is Dan's tweet back "Yikes" Michael Scott "Office" Gif

I think it was Dougs twitter where he put it best.  "The bottom line is, you arent really betting on me/my ability. I will be a very good hunl player, not world class anymore, but very solid.

You are betting on how good you think Dnegs can be at an extremely challenging and complicated game."

Someone walks away with a pile of money, and the other hopes they don't rub their nose in it. Nothing else apart from that, there will likely be some videos or comments made, but I expect the end t obe fairly civil surprisingly.
Just not his game, the tweet I quoted by Doug sums it up nicely.

I messaged Betnomi mentioning they should try and capitalize and offer odds. If they go for it I'll post. Apart from that, I did set up a pokershares account, I opted not to fund it yet because BTC was moving and I didn't really want to put any into Fiat 

I'm off for the next couple days, maybe we find some options.

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Side note just announce is the first 200 hands will be live and will streamed on Pokergo free.

punters on pokershares have been consistently pricing him above 5, usually closer to 6. https://www.pokershares.com/market/poker/c0baedd8-236b-4bd5-884d-ee1926743070

i dunno any other site offering odds, and they don't allow us muricans on pokershares.

i still want 5 to 1 on DN myself, if someone will take the other side of the bet....

Yep he is missing in action. He stream on his youtube channel sometimes but there hasnt been any stream lately or any new footage of him playing poker yet after all these stuff


Probably playing some mind trick by tweeting that. He should have just keep quiet about all these thing before the game

So what will actually happen if by any chance one of them lose horribly , like losing alot of money? It doesnt mean either of them are better than the other, its just some heads up game with some ego and lot of hype in it. Im new in these poker scene like this so Im pretty much clueless


5 for Dneg? Dang people must be taking Dneg lightly

^  Joey Ingram will prolly stream it straight from his YT channel.

Anyway...  Old school live pros are backing Dnegs.  I heard Helmuth is looking for action for 20k for something like 5 to 1.  Matusow is betting 10k.

So October has been interesting. I was to slow/lazy to get myself a bet in on Dnegs through Pokershares lol. What can I say I love to hedge a bet, but it was fun looking through all the other offered bets. I was tempted to send over some coin regardless and bet on some of the side action but opted out. My favorite was "Where will Dougs teeth be at the end"

Sounds like for most of it we should be able to watch via Upswing or Dougs Twitch channels - They had an article on upswing that covered whatever details they had set in stone, and mentioned this. I doubt Doug will go full hole cards for it but a guy can hope.

I still haven't seen anything in regards to Dnegs play or training. Doug has been all over the place, winning big in some spots and then losing it in others. His latest tweet was him playing HS against Ali Imsirovic and losing all his profit... and then some I'm guessing 270K.

Definitely not the ego boost you'd want shortly before heading into the match.

https://upswingpoker.com/doug-polk-vs-daniel-negreanu-grudge-match-rules/

nice, that'll make it much more watchable.


they're both trying to play head games and put on facades etc. we'll see what happens. like i said, at the odds given i definitely like DN but i'm expecting doug to win. i love a good underdog though!


gimme 5 to 1 in favor of DN and you got yourself a bet.

Any other information on where will this be streamed at? To be honest, Dneg is somewhat sloppy when it comes to online game. Doug on the other hand is a good player when it comes to online 1v1 heads up. I've checked his video on youtube few days ago and I have seen that he is doing great on that , making lots of cash on his game

If Dneg ended up winning this, it will be total upset for Doug

Well that turned into a shitshow for a few days, and probably right up until the match gets underway. I am happiest about the fact that somehow a concession about holecards came about and will be visible for at least part of the match.

Surprising though is I think Doug is legitimately fired up to play now. He talked before about feeling anxious when the time was coming to play, and that was part of his leaving the game. I don't see any of that in his current, come and get me approach. I even noticed him kind of accepting and calling for additional matches, some obvious putdowns and/or trolls but maybe he dips his toes in and gets a taste for these heads up matches.

That would depend on a lot of things.  But I think given enough time, Doug could work his way back up again.

Anyway, on the issue of pf charts and cheat sheets..  This is ultimately how it should be.  IMHO:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ummuPtxLI

Some people think it's a bad take tho.

Yeah Doug has a completely different way of analysing the game than Dnegs. Apparently he has been grinding lower stakes tables for month now is sharpening his game. But he will not be on the top I think as a few years ago. Poker is evolving so fast these days and more and more young kids are coming up crushing the pros. Where as Doug has an edge over Dnegs, younger players have an edge over Doug. I watched  the Heads Up session of Doug vs Landon Tice, he lost like $500 or so until he gave up.

^  Lol.  I mean yeah...  It's just better that way imho.  They're both elite pros and not a couple of microstakes noobs who need a cheat sheet.

I'm actually surprised why Doug just wouldn't let it go since he has a huge edge over Dnegs.

Edit:  And like Dnegs said..  'your best game, your format, your approved platform.'.  And Doug can't agree not to use his pf chart?

And I'm pretty sure it's not just a chart, it's a spreadsheet that auto computes ranges vs opponents' range and raise sizes.

I'll consider it a victory when compared against all my other marginal gambles. This way
I've time travelled to mid-September for better odds. Really just what I get for being lazy and not jumping on a bet early on.
Sorry this was pretty much my cap for this bet; I might look around and drop a small bet on Daniel now though.

Weird enough Doug's response somewhere in there stated he's like to use Preflop charts, but nothing postflop. Not going to lie found it surprising, but what do I know.
Sounds good. Yeah the ideal would be the 2 of them separated by Plexiglass across the table from each other. I'll take what I can get but I found this exchange to be weird and unexpected. I did notice Max Silver offering them 100BB Shove charts lol.

Bahaha, so I was reviewing their twitter feeds as it's now my morning laugh, and thought I'd be showing something new here and I stumble upon your tweet back to Doug lol. BEat me to it. I don't know what happened and how Daniel went from I'm okay with charts to calling them out as RTA, and saying they ruin the game.

Just seems funny to me that preflop charts are now such a big discussion. I know when I play I tend to have some open on the laptop, because I like to look back after I make my decision to see if I'm making the "right" plays.

Cool!  Lezz go! 

We just do USD value in BTC of whatever the price of BTC is at.  So if BTC is at 12k or so we just do amount of bet/BTC price. 

I think the most fair way of going about the match is just make it as close to a live HU match as possible.  No HUD, RTA, spreadsheets and charts.  Just the players and their wits.

i think doug will win too.... but at those odds? i'm taking negreanu all day. lemme know if you feel like taking another little bet.


he's 100% fucking with doug's head IMO.

I'll bite. Just to keep it fair I also promise not to give Doug any coaching. I also don't think it's going to be a walk in the park, but I still think Doug will pull it off in the end.

On a side note I've been trying to dig a bit and see what I can find on either of their training/practice schedules and I'm there isn't much.

I think Daniel is actually trying to goad Polk into a twitter spat or something. Could be some mental gameplay but he's tweeting

A little concerning but more likely a red herring. He's only now looking to set up some 2$/4$ HU tables for practice. My only guess is that it would make sense if he's been doing more theoretical/coaching behind the scenes and now wants to put it to practice.

I didn't even really think about it but there is also no HUDS, during the match.

Edit: Bet wise I am confirming USD, and BTC as the payment method for squaring up. Do we do BTC value as of today or the day the match winner is determined?

I fear for Doug.  I don't think Dnegs is gonna be easy pickin's for him.  Dnegs is prolly doing some practice of his own...  Pokershares has the match at 1.14 for Doug and 6.15 for Dnegs tho.

Anybody wanna bet against me for fun?  I'll take Dnegs at a discounted 5.  Just 10 bucks for your 50.  Open to anybody trusted or with a decent sig campaign.

I really wanted to make a bet at Pokershares but I have to go thru KYC no matter what..  Not willing to go thru all the hassle just for a 10 USD bet.  Lol.

From the few articles I've checked, it sounds like Webcam on delay with the commentary coming through on twitch. So I'm guessing table footage, with Doug and Daniel able to talk in real-time. Hoping so anyway. Typing this I realized that either or could also fire up their streams if they decide they don't want to talk realtime.

One article that wasn't essentially a clone, did point out they are playing on WSOP.com

Yeah his first few matches were pretty rough. I didn't watch many of them but I did wonder how many of them made plays for the sake of making a play on Doug. Not long after I updated this thread I found a story in my "news" feed, Polk and Phil Naggy had a 1.5 hour session. 10/20 and Polk came out ahead 7K. Phil made it sound like Doug is back in fighting form.

Polk controlled the tempo of the game, making pots happen as he wanted, when he wanted.

$ - It's a straight up cash game
For sure, and at this level picking up on tendencies and making adjustments is an essential part of the game. I'm ho9ping when it's all said and done that there will be a release with all hole cards shown.

Agreed. I almost think it was more of a jab, maybe an attempt to antagonize Daniel again.
The way I've been playing I might be the one who needs the assistance. 

Yeah Polk made his name playing this format. He has a ton of youtube content teaching and analyzing poker strategy. He is definitely one of the reasons I took an interest in improving my game.

Is this $200/$400 or 200/400 chips?


We tend to repeat the same pattern with the same hand so its understandable if they will play 25,000 hands


I had to google the keyword of " RTA in poker" for this lol. I totally have no idea what it means until I saw from youtube. Seems like a great tool, you know where I could get one for our game this weekend?  ( Ignore my silly jokes lol)

Daniel wouldnt put his whole reputation just to use RTA for this game


I have no clue about this guy but I would love to watch anything with Daniel on it. I learnt alot from him

i saw him getting crushed at the low stakes tables a few weeks ago. i wasn't sure if it was mainly cuz he's out of practice or because nobody respects raises at 1/2 or whatever stakes they were.

is there gonna be any live streaming of DN and polk, or is it just gonna be Kane Kalas providing commentary watching online tables? i'd love to see them talking shit in real time.


lol.

So the event has firmed up some what.

Start date of Nov, 1
25,000 hands         Option to quit after 12,500   -  Option to raise stakes after 12,500 if both players agree
200/400     -    100BB stacks with an automatic top-up

No firm info on sidebet, or the site they will be playing on as of yet. Stream commentary will be done by Kane Kalas. The schedule should be interesting, minimum 2 hour session - with Polk looking for 4-5 hours a day, and Daniel saying something like playing 4-5 days a week until done.

Understandable but a little disappointing from a viewer/fan perspective was that Daniel said he won't be showing hold cards on delay. I completely understand that he doesn't want to get looked up and researched throughout the duration of the challenge. Funnily enough Polk has no trust in Daniel, and has an inspection request clause to ensure no RTA is being used.


Should be a good one, I watched what little Polk put out in August as he had open challenges out to get some practice in. Nothing spectacular and you could tell he knew he had to put some work in. Which I think he's happy with his progress the last month and a half, as he started pushing for a start date again.