Japanese man gambled away a huge Covid-19 relief funds mistakenly sent to him - page 12.

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Quote from: goinmerry on June 14, 2022, 06:32:36 PM

Just confuse here, why that man didn't hit the bank alarm system because of the sudden change of activity on his bank account?

As per reading the article, the man was able to withdraw 600,000 yen every day for about two weeks without a problem.

Too smooth and the bank wasn't notified of the unusual activity of the bank account involved.

If the guy had never planned to withdraw that much money per day from his account before (because it was something he thought was impossible), then there was no need for any alarm. The man simply had a chance without any effort.
I was curioused at the way Japanese banking compares to my local one. In order to move $600 out of a mid-range bank account even if it was only once, I needed to go through some annoying questions and administrative processes. As it turned out, their security was not as high as I imagined.

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Quote from: michellee on June 15, 2022, 12:19:37 AM

I think the guy should return all the money he had gambled because, after all, he received the money due to a misdelivery by someone when it was for 436 people in their town. The man was innocent if he didn't use his money for any purpose but in this case, he had used up all his money. So he had to return all the money. This is related to humanitarian issues; hopefully, this problem can end well without any more fuss. The person who made the delivery should also be checked why he didn't double check before he sent the money.

I think that's what he will do in this case, bit by bit as per OP, he will be returning what he had "stolen". The money is supposed to be for a good cause and he totally ruined everything.

Nevertheless, he was caught red handed and pleaded guilty. Unfortunately, the money was no longer there as he chooses to gamble it away. Yes, both are at fault, but the burden is still on the man, he purposely uses the money not intended for him.

He should be aware that even it's not his fault that the money being transferred to his account, he doesn't have any right to

use it, especially using it to gamble. There's no way for him but to pay for it, knowing the culture in Japan trust
is very important they are more into this culture and without following, they will probably do a suicide instead of
denying the allegation, in terms of using the money that mistakenly send to me, I won't but instead I'll find
the reason and look for the owner. It should be for a good deed but happen to end up with someone who uses
it just to gamble.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

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now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

Both the sender and the receiver has fault here on this one.

For the sender, he mistakenly sent a very huge amount of money to a single person instead of giving it to 436 people. Instead of 436 people having 1M yen, it went to a wrong man who used the money into gambling. The sender/s of the money are very irresponsible and they must checked it twice or thrice before sending it because it is a huge money that they are sending and yet they didn't do it correctly.

As for the receiver or the gambler in this case, it's his fault as well because instead of reporting it to the authority to give it back, he has been eaten by greed and choose to gamble that money that is now gone. Now the man has to suffer the consequences because of his greediness. The money that must be used to help those people in need because it is COVID Funds now is on the casino already. Well, good thing that he is paying it back but still I hope this serves as a lesson to him.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back ~~bit by bit~~. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

In my opnion the man is entirely at fault. No can be the responsible for this coice. The only thing that has surprised me is that Japanese usually has an hard conduct. Anyway, it is good that he has decided to repay everyone,

it wouldn't be right to scam them.

Also, gambling site, could ask for proof of funds in way to ensure that funds belongs to users, instead to accept everything (also the Escobar's money Grin

) and in withdrawal phase to create every sort of issue.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

It doesn't needed to know or blame who is at fault here but the idea that the funds is for the Covid 19 victims in which we knew how important to save lives? the fund must be returned and blame no one instead we need the action and response .

and besides He was contacted weeks after and as I am surely this man is an addicted gambler? the way he act on that wrong sending? so it is understandable that he think it was a gift from heaven for him to continue gambling lol .

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Any logical person will not expect to receive 46 000 000 Yen (+/- $340 000 US) as a Covid-19 relief benefit from the government for one single person. Roll Eyes

He knew it was a mistake and he knowingly spend the money on gambling, so he has to face the full consequences of his actions.

We should forget about him and rather think about the 436 other people that did not receive the benefit when they needed it the most. Angry

We had a similar case in my country and that person went to jail for a very long time. The legal principle “ignorantia legis neminem excusat” is applicable here, because it says.... (ignorance of law excuses no one) Wink

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back ~~bit by bit~~. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

My friend once opened his own company (limited liability company).

All of a sudden, he received a $1,000,000 transfer into his checking account. The money was transferred to him by mistake. He contacted the sender and returned $1,000,000 to him. It was right.

Now he works in the IT field and has already earned his own capital ($ 1,000,000), but not by fraud, but by honest means.

The Japanese player also needed to return erroneously received monetary unions. In an online casino, in my opinion, you need to play exclusively with your own money.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

Using what is not belong to you is wrong, and this man must be held accountable for his fault because it is a crime. How could he easily use the money that should have been for other people who were needed at that time because of the difficult time of the pandemic. I think he won't admit it if he doesn't get caught so he should be in jail even though he will return the money that was used, there must be consequences for his actions.

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It depends on what you mean by 'responsible'. The man was fully responsible for his actions,,, unless a medical doctor diagnoses him as unable to make his own decisions, maybe a severe gambling addiction plus mental incapacity or something.

But the state also is responsible for negligence.

I remember at a casino I used to promote (I still play daily) withdrawals would take a long time, and you could play with the balance that was not yet withdrawed. People complained,,, they said the casino purposely left the balance there so the users could gamble it away.

I always felt both sides share responsibility. Casino for taking advantage of gambler bad habits and players for having bad discipline.

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If it took that long of a time for someone to contact him about the funds, that means that there was some kind of negligence that happened along the way. He didn't know that it was for something else, only that it was sent to him mistakenly by someone. The fault of the man here is that he didn't go to his bank to ask why he received such amount of money. I get that part, and let's be honest that most of you people will not contact the bank when you received such a sum. It happens, and we know that if we are to send money to a wrong account, it is near impossible for the bank to reverse those transactions no matter how much we pleaded. So in a way we believe that any amount sent to us mistakenly is already ours.

Nevertheless, the man clearly had gambling problems. Had he waited a little longer he wouldn't have this problem at all. Anyway, the money is gone, and it's either he pays that back or he serve his time behind bars.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

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now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

Obviously, that man is responsible! If money was sent to his account by mistake, then at least once he should have thought that whose money is this. And he should not gamble with someone else's money. I don't know what will happen to him next if he doesn't return that money, but morally it was a bad act.

Quote from: Kemarit on June 15, 2022, 12:11:40 AM

~ This man should be jail for years and pay it.

Or his property of the same value should be confiscated.

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Quote from: michellee on June 15, 2022, 12:19:37 AM

I think the guy should return all the money he had gambled because, after all, he received the money due to a misdelivery by someone when it was for 436 people in their town. The man was innocent if he didn't use his money for any purpose but in this case, he had used up all his money. So he had to return all the money. This is related to humanitarian issues; hopefully, this problem can end well without any more fuss. The person who made the delivery should also be checked why he didn't double check before he sent the money.

I think that's what he will do in this case, bit by bit as per OP, he will be returning what he had "stolen". The money is supposed to be for a good cause and he totally ruined everything.

Nevertheless, he was caught red handed and pleaded guilty. Unfortunately, the money was no longer there as he chooses to gamble it away. Yes, both are at fault, but the burden is still on the man, he purposely uses the money not intended for him.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

There are situations to be considered before thinking that the man is entirely at fault here.

Situation 1
The man received the amount without knowing that it is for the village relief and had been notified after he spend all the money.

In this scenario I think the man is not entirely at fault, he spend the money because he thought that it was given to him, notifying him after he spent the money is the senders fault and I think he won't be held responsible because he never stole the money. He even promised to give back the spent amount after some thought.

Situation 2
The man received the amount and knew that it is mistakenly sent to him and that it was for the village and was notified that there was an error but still spend all the money on gambling.

While in this scenario, I can say there is malicious intent of keeping and spending the money for his own benefits. The man is entirely at fault here even though the one sending should be criticized for his mistake. The fact that he still kept and gamble the money away after notifying him that there was a mistake in sending him the money. Whether he returns the money or not, the fact that he made spent the money even after being notified is still a criminal offense and he should be held liable for it.

Quote from: Jemzx00 on June 15, 2022, 12:40:15 AM

Anyway, this makes me think that if this happened on a crypto transaction, the person who received the coins are not viable to any kind of consequences or even responsible to return it. Probably, mainly because of the anonymity of the owner of the wallet compared to owning a bank account where your information can be retrieved.

Not until the owner, after some verifcation is proven to be the owner, traced you and requested that you return the item (crypto) to him. I think the same law applies to your given situation. It is considered a thief if someone finds an item and failed to return it after the verified owner requests him to do so.

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Quote from: Wexnident on June 14, 2022, 08:18:43 PM

Hmm, legally I don't actually think he did anything wrong cause afaik there isn't any kind of law that, well, tells you to return back something you got accidentally or not. If I'm wrong then feel free to correct me though. Morally, what he did was really wrong. I mean if it was a few bucks then maybe, yeah I guess I'd take it (don't call me on that), but if it was THAT big of an amount? Heck, I'd think something was wrong and try to contact the bank to ask who sent it or what the actual hell happened.

I have to say whoever sent the funds should also be accountable though.

Actually, both parties are accountable in this scenario as the organization made a mistake on sending money on the wrong account however they are entitled to recover the funds. Also, the person who received it have spent the funds knowingly that the funds he received is not his.

Upon doing a quick google search, I was not able to locate a certain law that indicates wrong deposit made however there were some situation that I've found where people who refused to pay the amount they mistakenly received, has received consequences from the court. Also, most cases are against the person who received it and spent it.

Anyway, this makes me think that if this happened on a crypto transaction, the person who received the coins are not viable to any kind of consequences or even responsible to return it. Probably, mainly because of the anonymity of the owner of the wallet compared to owning a bank account where your information can be retrieved.

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I think the guy should return all the money he had gambled because, after all, he received the money due to a misdelivery by someone when it was for 436 people in their town. The man was innocent if he didn't use his money for any purpose but in this case, he had used up all his money. So he had to return all the money. This is related to humanitarian issues; hopefully, this problem can end well without any more fuss. The person who made the delivery should also be checked why he didn't double check before he sent the money.

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It's not yours in the first place, then why you should gamble that money? And I heard countless stories like this and it didn't end well with the person because this is like stealing. I know that it's the bank's fault or whoever it is, but the fact that it is not your money and for sure you know that. And then totally gamble it? This man should be jail for years and pay it.

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How the hell they didn't realise this for two weeks and did the banks don't investigate any further when these large sums of money are received in one's account? Although the man is at fault for gambling this big amount which was supposed to help the people suffering in his town due to pandemic but the government should also be responsible in these matters like should have been asked that whether funds were distributed or not and why they were sent to his only account? But the man is at fault but don't know how will he repay this amount.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 14, 2022, 08:11:22 PM

Are they definitely sure that he gambled it away? Maybe he was just secretly pocketing the money while saying he was gambling it?

Agree.

If that's the case, telling the authorities that "I gambled it away" at an overseas online casino is a clever way of expressing, "I hid the money in my pocket so that the authorities will have a hard time dealing with the casino in giving my account details since they don't give a shit."

Since the article states that it is an overseas casino, it is clear that it is not legally permitted to operate in Japan, making cooperation with them a waste of time.

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I see a couple of things to comment here.

To begin with, there are those who believe that if you get money in your account by mistake, you have the right to spend it. False. You have to pay it back.

The man in the story has all the appearance of being a problem gambler, and the saddest thing is that he spent what was originally intended for low-income households, but you can see at the end of the news that the authorities have sent them the money back without waiting for the man in the story to return it.

At least the story has had a happy ending, now the man has to pay back the money.

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Well! I see the man should report it to authority when he received that money and not waste it every day. Too bad, he has nothing to do in the future that's why the first he saw that huge amount of money, all in his head is to win more. I just can't understand these lunatics when they have the money, they ask for more money than they already have no matter how much is it. Of course, the one to blame is the man because he knows it is not his money and he will be tracked after a few days if he won't return it back. the good thing was, that he didn't use it all and there's some money left for the Covid-19 patients.

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