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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

Quite a sad story for those people in his town. Is the man to be held responsible? Yes. An amount is mistakenly sent into your account and you know you are not expecting sucu an amount, why not wait a bit to see who will come for it. Well, in the world of gamblers, any money is a sure step to go down the drain because in their heads, they believe in multiplication.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on June 17, 2022, 01:16:39 AM

Irresponsible or he have an idea and thinks that he can just ignore it and escape from spending it from his gambling, or he's an addicted

gamblers who doesn't care about anything, just gamble now and let the future comes and dictates his fate, I'm just wondering what if fate

give him luck and allow him to win. Instead of being caught he returned it but pocketed huge amount of profits.. Cool

Of course absolutely irresponsible behaviour. This guy should be punished and maybe treated for his gambling addiction.

In the same time I'm wondering how many times something like this actually works out fine and you never read in the news about it. Like he actually wins a substantial amount and pays back the original money. Or he just covers up that he lost the money somehow

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

First, when he received such a big amount of money in his bank account, he should have been curious to know that where does this money came from. How can he use that money, which he knew never belonged to him.

Without inspecting anything, treating it as a free money he gambled all the money and lost it. This is an extremely irresponsible behavior from this person and he should be held accountable for it.

Irresponsible or he have an idea and thinks that he can just ignore it and escape from spending it from his gambling, or he's an addicted

gamblers who doesn't care about anything, just gamble now and let the future comes and dictates his fate, I'm just wondering what if fate

give him luck and allow him to win. Instead of being caught he returned it but pocketed huge amount of profits.. Cool

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

First, when he received such a big amount of money in his bank account, he should have been curious to know that where does this money came from. How can he use that money, which he knew never belonged to him.

Without inspecting anything, treating it as a free money he gambled all the money and lost it. This is an extremely irresponsible behavior from this person and he should be held accountable for it.

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Quote from: Despairo on June 16, 2022, 11:22:55 PM

The thing is fiat transactions in banks is reversible, they can do this when they've mistakenly credited someone account. Moreover they discovered after two weeks is really ridiculous, it just show how poor are the banks system can't detect it and in the same times it's funny how they're very skepticism about high illicit Bitcoin sources. The person had no obligation to pay back to the banks, he's just a bad or unethical person who taking advantages of someone mistake. If banks doesn't such behavior, they must not force him to pay and directly close his account.

When hundreds of thousands of transactions are made daily with human intervention, errors are bound to occur. The important point here is that the bank was at fault and should bear some responsibility. Then, the gambler who gambled and lost money that was not his, too.

But the important thing here is that according to the news, this money, which was intended for poor people, has been sent to them again without having to wait for the gambler to return the money.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 16, 2022, 08:54:44 PM

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Bank employees should check the account number before sending so no problems arise, especially since they realize the problem after two weeks. But what's worse is that all the money has been used in gambling, making the man have to return everything. In my opinion, this was also the man's fault because he had used money that did not belong to him to gamble. But fortunately, the man had the intention to return all the money.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on June 16, 2022, 08:54:44 PM

First of all the bank should be blamed because they send the money to wrong account and the worse part is they didn't even notice it for the two weeks so I don't really blame the person but ethically he should returned the money because its not actually his money but now the things are turning towards gambling? What if the person spend the money to buy the expensive wines will the government or bank start blame those companies... Roll Eyes

The thing is fiat transactions in banks is reversible, they can do this when they've mistakenly credited someone account. Moreover they discovered after two weeks is really ridiculous, it just show how poor are the banks system can't detect it and in the same times it's funny how they're very skepticism about high illicit Bitcoin sources. The person had no obligation to pay back to the banks, he's just a bad or unethical person who taking advantages of someone mistake. If banks doesn't such behavior, they must not force him to pay and directly close his account.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

First of all the bank should be blamed because they send the money to wrong account and the worse part is they didn't even notice it for the two weeks so I don't really blame the person but ethically he should returned the money because its not actually his money but now the things are turning towards gambling? What if the person spend the money to buy the expensive wines will the government or bank start blame those companies... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 16, 2022, 08:16:53 PM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 16, 2022, 06:42:44 PM

So lets assume that guy was a gambling addict. How rare is that? Being a gambling addict AND accidently receiving a large sum of money that nobody in their right mind would gamble away....

Statistically, its extremely unlikely.

that's the thing, gambling addicts are not in their right minds(no offense to them). a gambling addict's mind works differently than those who are not. it may have been common sense for us to not gamble it away since it is not our money but from a gambling addict's perspective, it is an opportunity to gamble. we can speculate about the story all we want but at the end of the day, the report says he gambled it away. unless they find some new evidence saying otherwise.

I don't think that gamblers are insane but they do gamble just for entertainment which they can only get this way, money for them is no longer a problem because before doing this gambling they certainly already know that this gambling can make all the money they need. they use disappear instantly. This gambling is only for rich people who have not thought about how to get money, while if they are still having trouble making money I suggest not to be too addicted.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 16, 2022, 06:42:44 PM

So lets assume that guy was a gambling addict. How rare is that? Being a gambling addict AND accidently receiving a large sum of money that nobody in their right mind would gamble away....

Statistically, its extremely unlikely.

that's the thing, gambling addicts are not in their right minds(no offense to them). a gambling addict's mind works differently than those who are not. it may have been common sense for us to not gamble it away since it is not our money but from a gambling addict's perspective, it is an opportunity to gamble. we can speculate about the story all we want but at the end of the day, the report says he gambled it away. unless they find some new evidence saying otherwise.

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Quote from: PX-Z on June 15, 2022, 01:55:17 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 15, 2022, 09:28:01 AM

The fund was sent by one of the country's governments agencies but to be honest, the young man is the one to be blamed not the person that mistakenly sent the fund to him because he's not been honest from the beginning.
When received a fund that technically appears not to belong to him he has the right to seek legal advice or return the fund to the sender just some people samaritan will do but he chooses to lavish it all.

Well, it's easier said than done. You won't know people's choice when it comes to money only few will do it especially if it was sent digitally like nothing happened. Im not saying it's not wrong, actually it is, its just that human tempted to make decisions when it comes to money.

Like I said you can't fully blame the man alone, but also the one who send it, and this is japan, banks can reverse the transaction if it was really a mistake sending it to the man. But good thing we know his responsibility, and never tried to run but to pay it instead.

I understand your point and like you said people can easily make the wrong decision when money is involved but when it comes to staying out of trouble i believe it is better to return the money thats why the young man who's the money was mistakenly sent to is the only one I blame because he's the one that will pay back the money now not the person that sent it.
Mind you, the money he spent won't let him do some important he planned for this year.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 16, 2022, 07:55:30 AM

This story is unrealistic and fishy to me.

I also think too. Considering the amount deposited and the amount withdrawn for 2 weeks in the given daily amount withdrawals. There is no way he is able to withdraw all the funds in that account in just two weeks. There are irregularities in the report. And why isn't the sender questioned?

which part is unrealistic? the whole thing or just parts of it?

here's another article regarding the news. it has more details in it and it also mentions that they are investigating how the erroneous transfer went unnoticed. it also says that the man has made 34 withdrawals in just over ten days. I am looking for updates regarding this news but I can't find one. I also want to know as to whether there was a foul play or just a mistake from the sender.

Which part is unrealistic?

That is a tough question but if I had to formulate an answer for you right now then I would probably say that the part with that certain japanese man gambling away such large sums of money is extremely unrealistic...

I mean just think about it. Common human sense would tell you to not gamble that money and pocket it instead. Thats just basic human greed and a healthy human mind. So lets assume that guy was a gambling addict. How rare is that? Being a gambling addict AND accidently receiving a large sum of money that nobody in their right mind would gamble away....

Statistically, its extremely unlikely.

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What would most people do if they were given a large amount of money? I'm sure there are people who would like to keep everything for themselves. You might even consider getting up and moving to another country. After all, you haven't done anything wrong. But you also have a moral sense and a conscience, of course. Everyone deals with this in their own way. Health is still more important. You would only lose so much money, that is really a lot of money.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

46m yen is still 346,869.90 usd if converted to dollars, the amount is kinda huge and I think it can take a long time for the guy to pay them all. It's his fault of course because he did not wonder why he received an amount like that. He instantly thinks that it was a gift from god, a blessing for his kindness (if ever he did any, lately?) but it's too late for him to know that the money is supposed to be divided for 436 people.

If there's another one to blame here that is the person that sends money on this guy. Does the guy didn't have a record that he have done something like this on the past or he is known be a gambler? For them to trust them the people's money. It's important to know those things first.

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Story rings true, it happened in Australia also, search for petrol or gas station owners receive millions. They fled the country in a yacht I believe, not legal as they had a business they had duty to return but the Japanese man Im not sure.

This gambling fortune doesnt make sense to me but its not a one off. IF you win millions through luck or fate somehow then I dont see why it's then gamble fodder. I would buy nice car, boat, house, everything. Why do I gamble after winning I know people do that but I suggest joining a racing club or some other pursuit of adrenaline might actually be more profitable. At this point buy a race horse! become the person on the race course if you are that rich why not go for it. Buy the casino if you are really rich Cheesy

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 16, 2022, 11:45:12 AM

Quote from: goldkingcoiner on June 16, 2022, 07:55:30 AM

This story is unrealistic and fishy to me.

I also think too. Considering the amount deposited and the amount withdrawn for 2 weeks in the given daily amount withdrawals. There is no way he is able to withdraw all the funds in that account in just two weeks. There are irregularities in the report. And why isn't the sender questioned?

which part is unrealistic? the whole thing or just parts of it?

here's another article regarding the news. it has more details in it and it also mentions that they are investigating how the erroneous transfer went unnoticed. it also says that the man has made 34 withdrawals in just over ten days. I am looking for updates regarding this news but I can't find one. I also want to know as to whether there was a foul play or just a mistake from the sender.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 14, 2022, 05:32:32 PM

just as the title states, a man in Japan mistakenly sent 46.3m yen to his bank account which was supposed to be shared among 436 people in their town. the article says that the man gambled away the money by withdrawing 600k yen daily for two weeks and gambles it in online casinos and when the authority finally contacted him the money has already been gambled and gone. initially the man refuse to pay back the money that was mistakenly sent to him but after some time he decided to pay it back bit by bit. the town is also suing him for this incident.

you can read the full story here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61490436

now, I have a question, do you think the man is entirely at fault or someone should also be responsible?

yes he is legally guilty, I don't know the exact jurisdiction of the law in Japan, but the mistake is using money that doesn't belong to him regardless of the transfer error by the bank. fortunately he wants to return the money even though periodically. Well if he doesn't return the money then the law will ensnare him and put him in jail

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This story must be investigated thoroughly considering that money is not small, sender and recipient seem to have been planned. Gambling using other people's money is a big case, the man must somehow recoup the money he spent on gambling. The mistake on gambler's side was obvious, but it's well structured. This is dangerous because the covid aid funds can be misused like that, maybe the law that man Japanese receive will be very severe and fatal, considering that Japan has a firm attitude.

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I definitely have read a couple of news regarding 'Gambling' which is done using the new 'Covid relief Funds' therefore at the end of the day the government would not really like the fact that people are not using the funds for what they were intended for which also means that they would try and inhibit it in the future as well. Other than that the man in the story gambling away the funds that he received accidentally is some other level as well, therefore I do think that we need to back up the story see if it's real and then hold the man accountable because at the end of the day it's not a genuine acceptable behavior he must also need some advice on controlling his Gambling and some professional help.

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