Topic: Kano vs Bitsyncom - page 4. (Read 15342 times)

What is a "Git"?

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A reminder about extending courtesy:



Moral of the story (stated clearly by Jeff, violated in all senses of the word by Kano):


Don't ask for code with one hand, and call the other person a cock sucker, an anal rapist/sodomist, AND a money whore by receiving a discount on their own money used to purchase their own hardware!

Right, says the guy who's getting > $200 a day from 'his' Avalon while almost no one else gets one ... that he paid ~$1300 for and even got a 25BTC kickback for doing what he's been told by Avalon.

So in your case it's "sucking off Avalon" disguised as "cooperation"

Yes well, try to pretend you aren't a complete illiterate idiot and go read the fact that I did simply request the code to start with and was given a clearly bullshit answer about debugging code.
You may like to take it up the ass and say thank you ... I won't.

I have already clearly point out about the gpl-violations website with links - so yeah your not providing anything new to the discussion except more bending over and saying please insert.

I guess you also missed the fact that GitSyncom said the timeline was to have the source available almost a week ago ...

Hey, isn't that one of the answers you get from one of those magic 8 ball thingies?

The irony,
Kano won't support code if he doesn't get entitled to "free" hardware. Yet he bashes someone else who did fork over money to support hardware.

Very Ironic, don't you think?

Of course he's defending them. He's earning $270 profit per day because Avalon shipped only him an ASIC unit and he can rake in the bitcoins before the difficulty adjusts.

Human relationship 101 is not going to help you if the other side unilateraly changes an agreement.
In fact, according to my human relationship manual it should be avalon apologizing to the community for breaking the license.
You try to somehow turn it all upside down.

Ok you and the above post does have merit.  I guess how I am feeling is that this is a small project in the scheme of things and I wouldn't feel the inclination to flame a small company while in their initial phase of releasing to the public.

What say you? 

Read the links previously posted.  People with actual experience dealing with GPL violations disagree WRT playing nice.

It's also just common sense, Human Relationships 101.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

If the scams go unpunished, more scams will result.
If license violations go unpunished, more license violations will result.
"playing nice" just encourages more people to break the law/license/etc.

I've read many of the posts and the 'competition' is late by months. Avalon now has a huge lead and should have more than enough time to get the source code together.
The deadlines were for avalon to set so there is no excuse for not having time to do source release.
The source code release should be part of the product.
In fact, the license states that a written voucher should have been provided as well.

It is not about bitching not making a difference either. It is about trusting avalon or not.
Avalon may be popular now but they can easily be beaten next generation. So the arrogance they show now can become fatal even this year.
The question is who needs who more. The community avalon or avalon the community?
My view is they should be respectfull of having this opportunity to apply their skills.

Anyway, it was not me who came up with the words playing nice.

How are we tying an article about Bitcoin scams and getting source code released together?  I am at a loss?

It is quite clear to anyone who can read the many posts and evaluate the information.


Also it is not about playing nice or not, the point is no matter how much you bitch or make hard statements, will not make them move any faster and only alienates you from getting to your goals.  Use tact and strategy and you will 9 times out of 10 get what you want faster and burn less bridges.

Playing nice has worked so well in the past:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-major-bitcoin-heists-thefts-hacks-scams-and-losses-old-83794

So you suggest everyone sucks up to them as much as you do?
Is avalon just as friendly to the open source community?
Did they not already profit from the open source community by releasing a product that includes open source work?
And did they not agree to release the source code with the product in such a case?

The community should not have to play nice to have source code released.
Play their fanboy all you want, fact is they abuse their open cource license for competitive reasons.

Anyway, you should stay the hell out of this discussion because since you're just about the only one with a working box no one will take your word for being non-biased...

Didn't they kindof already decided to contribute to the community by using a hacked up cgminer in a product they sell?
 

Say the kid himself, only disguised in a man body. I feel terrible for your kids if any. Dont make the doctor slap your wife after he delivers your child.

Prove this and you might have a point.
Any deadlines are voluntary and the competition is butterfly "the chips will be on their way soon" labs.

Or free hardware requests disguised as political statements

If any of these teenagers like kano had a clue about pursuing GPL violations, they would understand that going straight to curse words and screaming accusations is logically less likely to produce the source code in a meaningful amount of time.  It is also less likely to produce long term cooperation, as it creates a hostile environment at the start of the relationship.

There is lots of good text and FAQs from folks with a track record of pursuing GPL violations at http://gpl-violations.org/ including http://gpl-violations.org/faq/violation-faq.html which suggests



If we want to encourage Avalon to be a contributing open source community member, throwing curses and legal deadlines at the outset is the last thing you want to do.  Act like a mature adult, and understand that everybody has different priorities and perspectives.

Understand that these details may take weeks or months to sort out, especially if it is the first release of a new product line.

Coordinate with other interested parties in the bitcoin community, come up with some positive reasons why Avalon should open source their work, open a dialogue with Avalon, work with the company to show them that open source makes engineering and economic sense.

You don't want the only incentive to use open source being fear.  That just encourages a company to do anything they can to minimize or avoid open source as much as possible.

We want ASIC vendors to be open source friendly because it is good for everyone involved.

Note: After reading through these threads it is clear this discussion/request has turned in to Political Statement about Open Source and trying to prove something.   He said is will be released in 30 days so there you have it.  

Linksys used open source software in their routers for quite some time before they finally released the source to be compliant with GPL.  

Bottomline is that they are working in small team with a tight deadline against stiff competition and they have made it clear that consist bashing, name calling and nagging is not going to affect their decision or speed up the 30 days window.  

Leave it be, come back in 30 days if nothing has happened and go lick your wounded egos.  

Disclosure:  Being a paying customer I care about ship time over GPL at this point, once it fully ships, that is another story.  My company provides Asterisk PBX systems running on Linux so I understand the arguement, don't get me wrong.

That's not for you to chose. You are in violation of the GPL. You shipped binaries, now deliver the source code. There is nothing to organize.