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legendary
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Block!  like an hour ago...  Where is everybody?  The world hasn't ended yet!

Cheers to jbalsley, looks like one of their S9's cracked the latest block!  Is it time to buy the A7(21)'s?

I was painting at my friends house.

but the avalons have yet to go on sale.  I just checked.
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Block!  like an hour ago...  Where is everybody?  The world hasn't ended yet!

Cheers to jbalsley, looks like one of their S9's cracked the latest block!  Is it time to buy the A7(21)'s?
legendary
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So has this pool upgraded to SegWits?  I think this is a total BS solution to the congestion problem.  This is allowing third party companies like lightning network to come in and start creating off chain transactions which are taking away from our transaction fees/rewards.  So we do all the work in mining yet they get an path to make a ton of money on bitcoin transactions without creating any kind of mining infrastructure which costs all of us a lot of money.  For some of us this is our livelihood.  Unless I am misunderstanding SegWits and lightning network which I do not think I am, this is going to screw us the miners in the end.  Every time bitcoin halves the transaction fees become more and more of player.  SegWits will take this away from us and we will start to see most of our rewards right at or under 12.5 after the .9% fee is taken out.  I think if you wants faster transactions, then you just have to pay a higher transaction fee.  Sorry, but I don't work for UNICEF and in my case this is my livelihood so I am firmly against how they are handling this.  I would rather see a change in the code the allows for larger blocks and keep everything on chain.  

So what does everyone else think?  Am I misunderstanding this or do I have it right?



apart from what kano posted about altcoins being encouraged by segwit, my understanding is that there is more space per block, so even with slightly smaller price fees will come as more or less the same.

While if you change blocksize to 2, 4, 8mb, then fees will be cheaper per transaction due to more "empty" space, so you will not be ahead anyway, or at least for a while. My understanding is LN is more like POS, not POW, which is good for those with some btc because it will allow you to probably earn something (like an interest) on saved/bought btc.

TL;DR you will NOT get more fees with larger blocks as you will get less fee/tx.

It is really quite simple  bitcoin  can not work as a stand alone coin.

Even with  2 to 4 to 8 to 16 mb.  

 you get  a daily max of 1,340,000  transactions
 then                            2,680,000 transactions
 then                            5,360,000 transactions
 then                           10,720,000 transactions

those are max per day and only would be that big if every transaction is 225 bytes.

so any idea becomes a fail for growth other then alt coins.

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So has this pool upgraded to SegWits?  I think this is a total BS solution to the congestion problem.  This is allowing third party companies like lightning network to come in and start creating off chain transactions which are taking away from our transaction fees/rewards.  So we do all the work in mining yet they get an path to make a ton of money on bitcoin transactions without creating any kind of mining infrastructure which costs all of us a lot of money.  For some of us this is our livelihood.  Unless I am misunderstanding SegWits and lightning network which I do not think I am, this is going to screw us the miners in the end.  Every time bitcoin halves the transaction fees become more and more of player.  SegWits will take this away from us and we will start to see most of our rewards right at or under 12.5 after the .9% fee is taken out.  I think if you wants faster transactions, then you just have to pay a higher transaction fee.  Sorry, but I don't work for UNICEF and in my case this is my livelihood so I am firmly against how they are handling this.  I would rather see a change in the code the allows for larger blocks and keep everything on chain.  

So what does everyone else think?  Am I misunderstanding this or do I have it right?



apart from what kano posted about altcoins being encouraged by segwit, my understanding is that there is more space per block, so even with slightly smaller price fees will come as more or less the same.

While if you change blocksize to 2, 4, 8mb, then fees will be cheaper per transaction due to more "empty" space, so you will not be ahead anyway, or at least for a while. My understanding is LN is more like POS, not POW, which is good for those with some btc because it will allow you to probably earn something (like an interest) on saved/bought btc.

TL;DR you will NOT get more fees with larger blocks as you will get less fee/tx.
legendary
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So has this pool upgraded to SegWits?  I think this is a total BS solution to the congestion problem.  This is allowing third party companies like lightning network to come in and start creating off chain transactions which are taking away from our transaction fees/rewards.  So we do all the work in mining yet they get an path to make a ton of money on bitcoin transactions without creating any kind of mining infrastructure which costs all of us a lot of money.  For some of us this is our livelihood.  Unless I am misunderstanding SegWits and lightning network which I do not think I am, this is going to screw us the miners in the end.  Every time bitcoin halves the transaction fees become more and more of player.  SegWits will take this away from us and we will start to see most of our rewards right at or under 12.5 after the .9% fee is taken out.  I think if you wants faster transactions, then you just have to pay a higher transaction fee.  Sorry, but I don't work for UNICEF and in my case this is my livelihood so I am firmly against how they are handling this.  I would rather see a change in the code the allows for larger blocks and keep everything on chain.  

So what does everyone else think?  Am I misunderstanding this or do I have it right?


Yeah this is basically what I've posted before Smiley

... and it would seem there's another increase in the list of segwit hidden size increases that supposedly don't exist according to the bitcoin devs ...

Every coinbase transaction that includes segwit will be quite a bit bigger.
Some bitcoin dev submitted a segwit change to ckpool ... that crashes ckdb for someone else running ckdb (not for me) coz ckdb has a 256 hex byte size limit for coinbase2 in the database.
Of course the bitcoin dev submitted code change didn't provide any changes for ckdb ... I'll do that properly today at some time I guess.

I guess more bitcoin devs don't understand the increases that segwit causes ... gmaxwell doesn't understand how databases work when he falsely claims there's no per-transaction storage increase.
Now the coinbase transaction is bigger also.

In ckpool/ckdb we have a structure called the workinfo, that's the break down of the common data required for all stratum work sent to miners.
One part of that is what we call coinbase2 - it's got a limit of 256 hex bytes.
Since 1-Mar this year, in all work, coinbase2 has been 196 hex bytes.
segwit has put coinbase2 over 256 hex bytes - more than 30% bigger ...

Really the biggest problem with segwit and sidechains is that people wont realise that no one should use it.
What it really will allow is for people to create altcoins and tie them 'loosely' to bitcoin and thus claim they are part of bitcoin.
I can assure you the next flood of scam altcoins will be once segwit and sidechains become available.

However, the reality would actually be that no company who would want their own altcoin would make any sense to make it a sidechain.

As an example I gave before, if starbucks wanted their own coin to use at starbucks, it would only make sense for it to be a standalone altcoin.
You buy starbuckcoins at a fixed $ vs coin rate so starbucks knows that the variations of the price of bitcoin do not mean they are suddenly gaining or losing money out of their control. They'd set a fixed price for $ vs their starbuckscoin and know what amount of starbuckcoins are out there and what they are worth (and would control the amount of them available themselves)

Bitcoin is the ultimate version of insider trading where people with bitcoins can affect the price of bitcoins and of course there's no control over that - which is also, of course, how bitcoin should be Smiley
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crap I better change mine from test1234  Grin
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So has this pool upgraded to SegWits?  I think this is a total BS solution to the congestion problem.  This is allowing third party companies like lightning network to come in and start creating off chain transactions which are taking away from our transaction fees/rewards.  So we do all the work in mining yet they get an path to make a ton of money on bitcoin transactions without creating any kind of mining infrastructure which costs all of us a lot of money.  For some of us this is our livelihood.  Unless I am misunderstanding SegWits and lightning network which I do not think I am, this is going to screw us the miners in the end.  Every time bitcoin halves the transaction fees become more and more of player.  SegWits will take this away from us and we will start to see most of our rewards right at or under 12.5 after the .9% fee is taken out.  I think if you wants faster transactions, then you just have to pay a higher transaction fee.  Sorry, but I don't work for UNICEF and in my case this is my livelihood so I am firmly against how they are handling this.  I would rather see a change in the code the allows for larger blocks and keep everything on chain. 

So what does everyone else think?  Am I misunderstanding this or do I have it right?

legendary
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I think the election results will not be as surprising as the way he runs the office.

I will leave it at that.

At Kano are you going to get a few Avalon 7s for prizes?

The gear goes on order soon.

Has anyone ordered it or use it yet. I know I am going to,get a few.

Thanks to kano, I have made some early interactions with xiangfu, jon and team for the A7s.

Canaan sales team (Ms Angela) has confirmed by email my intention to purchase xx units of A7 this week and prepared my invoice early. I still need to do the actual order coming 14th Nov though through their portal. Ensure you have account created to start the order process.

You may drop Angela an email for more information.

[email protected]
Ms. Angela, Canaan Sales
TEL: +86 13681022683
Skype: auspiciouslu

I am sending an email today. Thanks. 
legendary
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I love it when our stats colors begin to look like the jungle outside my living room/data center window...  Grin
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That Block Statistics board is starting to look nice and green again.  Grin

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Once again...4 blocks yesterday and woke up to 2 in the basket this morning  Cheesy
Very nice consistent two days - mine on!
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Block by Exmillionaires with 11.20TH/s!  Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block!  This is our 1st of the new day!  Cheesy
Exmillionaires - a nice nick for those who threw away their old HDDs with hundreds of penny worth BTCs in the wallets years ago without even bothering to save wallet.dat somewhere.   Heard such story personally last week. Just a coincidence, but the guy I talked to, called himself exactly the same)))
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Block by Exmillionaires with 11.20TH/s!  Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block!  This is our 1st of the new day!  Cheesy
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I think the election results will not be as surprising as the way he runs the office.

I will leave it at that.

At Kano are you going to get a few Avalon 7s for prizes?

The gear goes on order soon.

Has anyone ordered it or use it yet. I know I am going to,get a few.

Thanks to kano, I have made some early interactions with xiangfu, jon and team for the A7s.

Canaan sales team (Ms Angela) has confirmed by email my intention to purchase xx units of A7 this week and prepared my invoice early. I still need to do the actual order coming 14th Nov though through their portal. Ensure you have account created to start the order process.

You may drop Angela an email for more information.

[email protected]
Ms. Angela, Canaan Sales
TEL: +86 13681022683
Skype: auspiciouslu
legendary
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legendary
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I think the election results will not be as surprising as the way he runs the office.

I will leave it at that.

At Kano are you going to get a few Avalon 7s for prizes?

The gear goes on order soon.

Has anyone ordered it or use it yet. I know I am going to,get a few.
Well ... a long story ... that I'll cut to the short version ...

The prizes at the beginning of the year had 2 problems (out of 5 prizes)

Once where the receiver dumped his avalon email in spam and never replied ... but much later that was sorted out when he contacted me wondering what was going on.

However, there was a second time where communication was lost between the winner and avalon and I never found out until a week ago.
He's russian and I guess the russian<->chinese language barrier won the fight there Tongue
This has now, finally, been sorted out and ... he's getting an A7 instead Smiley
legendary
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I think the election results will not be as surprising as the way he runs the office.

I will leave it at that.

At Kano are you going to get a few Avalon 7s for prizes?

The gear goes on order soon.

Has anyone ordered it or use it yet. I know I am going to,get a few.
I don't think any ordering has happened...it appears you can't get to that page until sometime tomorrow (Mon CN time) even if you're registered. I'm going to have to wait a couple of weeks, having just paid a quarterly hosting charge for my S7s. As soon after that...yup, I'll get one. Perhaps if there's a MOQ it'll be done by then.  Roll Eyes
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