Good job ajmm0413! Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block!
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July 30, 2016, 08:15:52 PM
Block! *You beat me to this one!*
Good job ajmm0413! Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block!
Good job ajmm0413! Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block!
July 30, 2016, 08:13:06 PM
Seems to be about time for a boat-load of anime character sacrifices. 
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July 30, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
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From kano.is block stats
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
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Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
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They're the numbers I'm worried about.From kano.is block stats
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
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Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
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Mainly 25 and 50, since a CDF[Erl] of 0.6899 on 100 isn't in any way an unexpected value.
A whole week of that sort of bad luck sux and annoys me just as much as anyone else.
The main issue is that to actually cause a swing in luck that bad (and for it to not be just bad luck) would require a large hash rate.
Of course no single miner on the pool has a hash rate that big and also has that sort of bad luck.
So I've been working on the 'keysummary' stats and the luck reports (as mentioned before) and working on getting more history, from before I added the 'keysummary' change.
Those stats I showed the other day were from 'keysummary', but as I said then, there's not enough history yet to come to any conclusions, so I'm working on generating history.
the bolded 95.52% is still fractionally better then then f2pool's 96%
for two reasons:
one) you give the transaction fee
two) then send every nite and charge 0.0001 for the send (this may be wrong it is from memory)
July 30, 2016, 07:09:54 PM
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From kano.is block stats
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
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Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
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They're the numbers I'm worried about.From kano.is block stats
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
...
Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
...
Mainly 25 and 50, since a CDF[Erl] of 0.6899 on 100 isn't in any way an unexpected value.
A whole week of that sort of bad luck sux and annoys me just as much as anyone else.
The main issue is that to actually cause a swing in luck that bad (and for it to not be just bad luck) would require a large hash rate.
Of course no single miner on the pool has a hash rate that big and also has that sort of bad luck.
So I've been working on the 'keysummary' stats and the luck reports (as mentioned before) and working on getting more history, from before I added the 'keysummary' change.
Those stats I showed the other day were from 'keysummary', but as I said then, there's not enough history yet to come to any conclusions, so I'm working on generating history.
That's why this pool is the best. The operator is always operating! Hopefully the next diff adjustment helps a lot.
July 30, 2016, 06:45:05 PM
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From kano.is block stats
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
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Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
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They're the numbers I'm worried about.From kano.is block stats
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
...
Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
...
Mainly 25 and 50, since a CDF[Erl] of 0.6899 on 100 isn't in any way an unexpected value.
A whole week of that sort of bad luck sux and annoys me just as much as anyone else.
The main issue is that to actually cause a swing in luck that bad (and for it to not be just bad luck) would require a large hash rate.
Of course no single miner on the pool has a hash rate that big and also has that sort of bad luck.
So I've been working on the 'keysummary' stats and the luck reports (as mentioned before) and working on getting more history, from before I added the 'keysummary' change.
Those stats I showed the other day were from 'keysummary', but as I said then, there's not enough history yet to come to any conclusions, so I'm working on generating history.
July 30, 2016, 06:42:16 PM
Yup, I was using historical averages and that's how. Still a frakking long time.
July 30, 2016, 06:20:41 PM
Will an S9 be able to pay for itself under its lifetime ?
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
At current prices, not considering electric cost it's almost 1000 blocks to pay itself off. If you look at our block history that should only take about 64 weeks. So barring a nice btc price increase it doesn't look very promising.
Thnx. At current prices.... I think that the difficulty will start ta rise again in a month or two, so maybe it will take 164 weeks or 264 weeks to earn back the price of an S9.
July 30, 2016, 06:10:43 PM
Hope y'all are being facetious...'cuz I was... 
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
Am I missing something in my math? S9s run ~$2000. 13T/s gets you ~.003/block. That's ~1000 blocks for roi. Where do you get your 10 months from?
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
Last 5 Blocks 2.1days 104.9% 187.78% 187.78% 0.9568 53.25%
Last 10 Blocks 4.8days 104.6% 206.85% 206.85% 0.9967 48.34%
Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
Last 250 Blocks 8.4wks 102.2% 95.47% 95.11% 0.2222 105.14%
Last 500 Blocks 16.9wks 101.7% 96.27% 96.15% 0.1954 104.01% 2 x this is 33.8 weeks that is 8 months
Last 1000 Blocks 63.4wks 101.4% 93.61% 93.08% 0.0128 107.44% this is 14 months
All - Last 1232 Blocks 97.2wks 101.2% 94.01% 94.24% 0.0200 106.11%
she may have extrapolated 10 months based on those 2 stats. it is reasonable to think it could be 10 months
Just thought I missed something. Though if we would start hitting 10+ blocks a day regularly it could be done in ~4 months. That would be great. Let's see some bright bright green!
July 30, 2016, 06:00:34 PM
Hope y'all are being facetious...'cuz I was...
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
Am I missing something in my math? S9s run ~$2000. 13T/s gets you ~.003/block. That's ~1000 blocks for roi. Where do you get your 10 months from?
Description Time MeanTx% Diff% Mean% CDF[Erl] Luck%
Last 5 Blocks 2.1days 104.9% 187.78% 187.78% 0.9568 53.25%
Last 10 Blocks 4.8days 104.6% 206.85% 206.85% 0.9967 48.34%
Last 25 Blocks 7.5days 103.8% 129.08% 129.08% 0.9190 77.47%
Last 50 Blocks 13.5days 103.6% 115.96% 115.96% 0.8687 86.23%
Last 100 Blocks 25.3days 103.0% 104.70% 104.69% 0.6899 95.52%
Last 250 Blocks 8.4wks 102.2% 95.47% 95.11% 0.2222 105.14%
Last 500 Blocks 16.9wks 101.7% 96.27% 96.15% 0.1954 104.01% 2 x this is 33.8 weeks that is 8 months
Last 1000 Blocks 63.4wks 101.4% 93.61% 93.08% 0.0128 107.44% this is 14 months
All - Last 1232 Blocks 97.2wks 101.2% 94.01% 94.24% 0.0200 106.11%
she may have extrapolated 10 months based on those 2 stats. it is reasonable to think it could be 10 months
July 30, 2016, 05:38:50 PM
Hope y'all are being facetious...'cuz I was...
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
Am I missing something in my math? S9s run ~$2000. 13T/s gets you ~.003/block. That's ~1000 blocks for roi. Where do you get your 10 months from?
July 30, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
Will an S9 be able to pay for itself under its lifetime ?
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
imo:I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
Hobbyists should avoid expensive purchases expecting some magical ROI from single units.
July 30, 2016, 05:23:49 PM
Hope y'all are being facetious...'cuz I was...
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.
The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.
July 30, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
Will an S9 be able to pay for itself under its lifetime ?
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
At current prices, not considering electric cost it's almost 1000 blocks to pay itself off. If you look at our block history that should only take about 64 weeks. So barring a nice btc price increase it doesn't look very promising.
July 30, 2016, 04:41:43 PM
Will an S9 be able to pay for itself under its lifetime ?
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
Definitely. IF it ever does.
And about "Correlation, but not causation", this is invalid as an action or occurrence can cause or be caused by another. So for anyone to drone out someone's idea of a relation between (for example) MUCH lower and longer block times vs 2 years of averages is like putting a towel over your head so the monstter can not see you...
Just like, if you step out of your house, you MIGHT get hit by a bus.. Or be pooped on by a bird.
July 30, 2016, 04:30:03 PM
Will an S9 be able to pay for itself under its lifetime ?
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.
July 30, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
Hello, i'm new to mining and looking that kano.is is the best pool around the other pool based on the review. I'm still in the learning phase and finally got myself one S5 Antminer. I already mined for about 1 day, and already make wallet, and already change the wallet for payout to my wallet, the rewards for me already showed up, but my bitcoin balance still not have any change. Is that because of the block is not 'mature' yet? and can somebody explain what is the 'mature' block means? or am i missed when the 5nd phase already over? i start around 11:AM yesterday, and now my clock showed 5:43 PM. Thank you for your time 
What is your native language? If it is what I think I could direct you to my explanation of the payout system in simple words. If not, try searching this topic, it has been explained in English several times here. July 30, 2016, 03:16:51 PM
I apologize for my pissy mood in some of my last posts over the past few days.
I've been ill since Thursday. My friends cat has brought fleas into my house and I'm battling an infestation. And then I've got a dead board in one of my miners. Couple all that with our lack of blocks and I haven't been in the best of moods.
I'll do better. I promise!
Let's get some BLOCKS!!!! Some green ones would be a nice start on recovery!
I've been ill since Thursday. My friends cat has brought fleas into my house and I'm battling an infestation. And then I've got a dead board in one of my miners. Couple all that with our lack of blocks and I haven't been in the best of moods.
I'll do better. I promise!
Let's get some BLOCKS!!!! Some green ones would be a nice start on recovery!
July 30, 2016, 02:24:45 PM
I'm off in search of Avalon 6's. Two A6s gives about 7THs on 2010W. I can manage two of them here on my power, by retiring the six S3s (will give me a net increase of about 4.5THs). Get a bit ahead (again), and get some more A6s to send to Labrador (providing a new Avalon hasn't come out by then); they charge by the KWH, so an A6 can still make money there. I'm thinking this choice will (1) alleviate my sense of guilt in supporting BiteMe, (2) keep me from wearing out my French press waiting for the pricing/avail on S9s, and (3) give me a bit of breathing room whilst waiting for LYT to (hopefully) come out with some good news.
Mining on...
Mining on...
July 30, 2016, 01:50:53 PM
Well, 25 days of lower luck. I haven't seen this here before (recently), but I am sure that it is within what is stat possible.
July 30, 2016, 01:48:31 PM
Yup. Correlation, but not causation. I used to teach Research Methods in grad school. 
Onward and upward, Junior Birdmen!...uh, mine on!...
Onward and upward, Junior Birdmen!...uh, mine on!...
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