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Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 151. (Read 5352229 times)

legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
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4th block in a row over 160% . . . .
something is wrong here

The probability of the found blocks is shown clearly on the Blocks page.

The probability of the luck of the last 5 found blocks is ... as it says ... CDF[Erl] 0.7670
Which means ... 1/(1-0.7670) = 1 in 4.292 of that happening or since it's 5 blocks, 1 in 21.46 blocks of that happening.
So yep, if you look at any pool out there what doesn't hide their block history, you'll find the current 5 found block luck happen, on average, about every 22 blocks.

After we find the next block, it will again show the numbers.
We'll see what it is when we find the next block.


probably will be little over 200%
It was 141.334%

actually your math is wrong; having 4 blocks in a row over 150% the probability is very low; not every 20-22 blocks like you want to tell us;
My math is correct and is also based on the last 5 blocks ... as it says ... and as the web site says.

Also read the parts in bold red.

I don't predict the future.
... and now that we are no longer attempting future predictions or choosing data ranges to get our desired results Smiley

The last 5 found blocks has a CDF[Erl] of 0.9588

So that works out to be: 1/(1-0.9588) = 24.27
So since it's 5 blocks, that or worse should happen, on average, in a large sample of data, about once every 121.4 blocks
Oh well, not much we can do about that - but also, nothing is statistically wrong with that Smiley

Edit: wording correction Smiley
member
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1xA921 + 1xA741 + Backup-->1xA6 ;)
Well, would ya look there. Sneaky little blocks...
legendary
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Carl, aka Sonny :)
Yay block by rprinvestments with 255TH/s!  Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block! Cheesy

This would put you in the BLOCK FINDER group on our Discord thread if you joined! Grin
newbie
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That block refused to be found.
full member
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Merit: 158
#takeminingback
BTCamm!!! That BTClock was a tuff one!!!
member
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Call 811 before you dig
BTClock!!!

by rprinvestments Thanks!!!


Mine the f on!!!
newbie
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Nope, guess i wasn't. welp, hot in here. gotta shut down fer a while. Seez ya later.
member
Activity: 490
Merit: 16
1xA921 + 1xA741 + Backup-->1xA6 ;)
When is this block ever gonna be finished? 4 days now?
Lol. Apparently you weren't here in late January-early February 2018 (a.k.a. The ~600% Block of Death)...

Wake me up when it's been 18 days. Wink

Until then... Mine on!
newbie
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When is this block ever gonna be finished? 4 days now?
newbie
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Merit: 0
Carl! Lend me that turkey please. At this point I am willing to try anything and everything. Cheesy

Haha!  Hear you go!  Block block! Cheesy

https://i.imgur.com/Tymq9pm.jpg
Wait a sec is that turkey dead well no wonder it can't find anything how about a live chicken can you get us one of those please.

I have a whole flock working on the problem (yeah, I really do live on a farm...):

http://puu.sh/AOGrD/b04caf4ead.jpg
Holly Chicken that is the coolest thing i have seen in while you are cool MINE ON!!!!
full member
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#takeminingback
It's almost time to start "talking" about reboots!  haha

Nooo!!!

Hahahaha!!!
newbie
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Merit: 0
Carl! Lend me that turkey please. At this point I am willing to try anything and everything. Cheesy

Haha!  Hear you go!  Block block! Cheesy

https://i.imgur.com/Tymq9pm.jpg
Wait a sec is that turkey dead well no wonder it can't find anything how about a live chicken can you get us one of those please.

I have a whole flock working on the problem (yeah, I really do live on a farm...):

http://puu.sh/AOGrD/b04caf4ead.jpg

It's almost time to start "talking" about reboots!  haha
copper member
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Math doesn't care what you believe.
Carl! Lend me that turkey please. At this point I am willing to try anything and everything. Cheesy

Haha!  Hear you go!  Block block! Cheesy


Wait a sec is that turkey dead well no wonder it can't find anything how about a live chicken can you get us one of those please.

I have a whole flock working on the problem (yeah, I really do live on a farm...):

newbie
Activity: 31
Merit: 0
Carl! Lend me that turkey please. At this point I am willing to try anything and everything. Cheesy

Haha!  Hear you go!  Block block! Cheesy

https://i.imgur.com/Tymq9pm.jpg
Wait a sec is that turkey dead well no wonder it can't find anything how about a live chicken can you get us one of those please.
jr. member
Activity: 238
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Carl! Lend me that turkey please. At this point I am willing to try anything and everything. Cheesy

Haha!  Hear you go!  Block block! Cheesy



Thanks buddy! Now it is gobble gobble 300% block time Wink
legendary
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Carl, aka Sonny :)
Carl! Lend me that turkey please. At this point I am willing to try anything and everything. Cheesy

Haha!  Hear you go!  Block block! Cheesy

legendary
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Yeah I got the email the other day also ... maybe I'll try to get my 10BTC back after all Smiley

What's yours is yours.
I wouldn't leave it out there. It can help offset the BTC you set aside for the giveaway.
jr. member
Activity: 238
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Carl! Lend me that turkey please. At this point I am willing to try anything and everything. Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 4634
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Off-topic,

Any oldtimers here who lost funds in the MT. Gox debacle?

I just read Japan changed up the proceeding to force settlement payouts to be in the form of BTC, as opposed to the FIAT option the bankruptcy proceedings would have had.
That is all.

Mine on. Oh yeah got  3 more 741's online today, just waiting for my PSU to show up and I can turn on their loud idiot stepbrother, T9+.

I think Elaine (firetreeactual) got hurt pretty bad in the Mt Gox disaster...She's one I can recall that got caught up in that mess.
Yeah I got the email the other day also ... maybe I'll try to get my 10BTC back after all Smiley
member
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1xA921 + 1xA741 + Backup-->1xA6 ;)
*** Top posting for effect ***

So, I came across this recently when looking back over some old posts from when we were in a similarly long-feeling block--much less PHs back then, though.

Anyway, I thought it'd be a perfect time to bump this to the top--especially to highlight that Kano knows what he's talking about. We got your back, Kano-san.



So, I felt the urge to ramble on about Bitcoin again[...]

Rather than try to edit in and out of the various posts ... here's how mining works Smiley

Firstly, mining is exactly the same as rolling a dice ... except for the number of possible solutions!
When you roll a dice, you have a 1 in 6 chance of getting a 6.
There's no progress to getting a 6, ever. You either get a 6 or you don't.
One try = yes or no. No history involved.

With Bitcoin the dice actually has 2^256 sides - yeah that's a pretty big number ~1.579x10^77
And ... there's more than one solution that's valid.
Any "side of the dice" that has enough zeros on the front, and is less than a specified value, is a block.
Of that ~1.579x10^77 number, the current difficulty decides how many sides mean we found a block.

The current difficulty is actually "0x176c2146" which is called "bits" and is 4 bytes of the data we hash.
"0x17" = 23 decimal and 32-23 = 9 bytes of leading zeros (i.e. 9 times '00')
The rest is "0x6c2146"
So, what those 2 numbers mean is that any block hash with a hex value of
H=0x0000000000000000006c21460000000000000000000000000000000000000000 or less is a block

and if you divide 0xffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff+1 (~1.579x10^77) by H and divide it again by 0x100000000 (2^32) you will get that network difficulty number:
Nd = 2,603,077,300,218.593
which means that every 2^32 times you roll the Bitcoin dice (i.e. hash a full nonce range) you have a 1 in 2,603,077,300,218.593 chance of finding a block.

... and the reason we divide by 0x100000000 again is that the network difficulty number of 1 represents 2^32 hashes

So ... that's how hashing works, but what are we actually hashing?

I wrote a document about it once, I'll repeat a little bit here:

The structure of a block header is an 80 byte binary data set, defined as follows:
Version                   4 bytes
Previous Block Hash      32 bytes
Merkle Root              32 bytes
Block Time                4 byte Unix Timestamp
Required Hash Difficulty  4 bytes
Hash Nonce                4 bytes

So looking at that we can vary 3 things:
Merkle root, Block Time and Hash Nonce

Normal hashing is to setup everything except the Hash Nonce and then count the Hash Nonce from 0 to 2^32-1 and hash each one.
Hashing the full Nonce range from 0 to 2^32-1 is also called 1 difficulty.

With stratum we can modify the Merkle Root to generate a different block header to hash the Nonce range.
The Merkle Root is a hash tree of the transactions we include in the block, however there's one transaction that we can change with stratum, and that is the coinbase transaction - or the transaction that pays the miner.
In this transaction we only need to make sure that:
1) It's a valid transaction (which is actually pretty random for the coinbase transaction due to the "sig" being allowed to contain almost anything as long as it starts with 'height')
2) It pays out to the expected address we want to receive the generated Bitcoins
3) The amount it pays is correct

So for stratum we put a bunch of other 'nonces' in the coinbase sig, that includes a unique number for each miner, and run the others from 0 up to some specified limit to generate a different coinbase transaction each time, that will generate a unique Merkle Root, to be put in a block header, to be hashed over the full Nonce range.

Thus with the unique number for each miner, and the miner itself following the stratum rules for creating coinbase transactions, the miner can keep generating a large amount of work that isn't expected to run out before the pool sends it new work.

Lastly, every time the miner finds a hash value that is higher than the difficulty specified by the pool, the miner sends the nonce and the "sig" nonces back to the pool.
The pool hashes those nonces with the values it sent to the miner, and thus verifies it's valid, and thus rewards the miner with the difficulty of the work sent to  the miner.

Now one more thing I'll add, that got mention a little while back, is that the miner can't modify the payout address to 'steal' the block.
The reason is that the pool wont get a valid hash of the nonces sent back, so the miner will get no reward. Simple Smiley
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