I agree. If I have any misbehaving or defective hardware I would hope it could be identified so I can shut it down. I would also be open to repayment to the pool as appropriate as long as supporting facts to back up the calculation of the BTC owed.
A PM would be an appropriate means of contact to prevent any hurt feelings in the case of a poor choice of hardware.
I speak for myself only, and my words are not meant to represent any other individual. I like this pool and want to do right by it.
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March 14, 2016, 11:54:03 PM
March 14, 2016, 11:45:57 PM
So what is the actual problem? Irregular payment of these miners? Explain what they did.
by my understanding is they have very fast equipment.. ones that surely should have found a block in the time they have been mining here.. but they have produced zero blocks.
but im not very knowledgeable on how it works.. i do know my s5s have never found a bitcoin block in the year ive owned them.. :/
now i have a s7 pointed here, hopefully it finds a block for the pool someday.
March 14, 2016, 11:41:47 PM
So what is the actual problem? Irregular payment of these miners? Explain what they did.
March 14, 2016, 11:22:19 PM
Well, that's a few pages of 'interesting' comments 
I was just gonna do a quick click though all these pages since 'last night' since I'm working on the next 4 payouts that are overdue, but then decided I better post some more details rather than wait until after I finish processing the payouts.
Yes I've sent out (and all but one person) has received the payouts for blocks 402342 and 402347
We confirmed the 2 payouts
Over the last 2 days I've been doing a lot of work on the share tracking to determine if miners are doing the wrong thing
(intentionally or unintentionally)
This is of course related to the stuff organofcorti mentioned and I posted about his comments here also.
I've found a few miners, 2 are pretty much certain, and the rest very likely, using hardware that doesn't mine properly.
They all started mining in January, their total payouts since then have been less than 1 block.
These are miners that have the same problem as that 'other' pool.
I wonder if they just moved their hardware here, from there?
The pool logs ALL sorts of information that I will go through later to see if there is any correlation between them all
(and any other miners) Then I'll contact them some time after that ...
At this point I'm going to stop all their payouts, so they end up in their 'dust', until they find blocks.
Also, the block finding luck will need to be better than 100%, since they need to cover the pool's loss of their payouts they've received.
i.e. they have about a 2/3 chance of finding a block in time to cover their ... actions.
See, I see it as: if I ask for the BTC back, that they've been paid, I doubt anyone would give it back and blame their choice of hardware on ... well no idea ... but blaming it on the pool is not gonna work for me.
If they run away, then the dust building up in their accounts will eventually be redistributed based on the payout it should have been in, back to everyone else as 'adjustments' later once that is possible.
It's not a lot of BTC, single digits on each account, and total is, as I said, less than a block.
This is also now the next code change I've got to do, a way to simply flag an account to be in this state of no 'auto' payout so I don't have to manually intervene with these accounts during the payout process.
I'll post more details at some later time, but yeah I better get back to these 4 payouts overdue since last night.
I was just gonna do a quick click though all these pages since 'last night' since I'm working on the next 4 payouts that are overdue, but then decided I better post some more details rather than wait until after I finish processing the payouts.
Yes I've sent out (and all but one person) has received the payouts for blocks 402342 and 402347
We confirmed the 2 payouts
Over the last 2 days I've been doing a lot of work on the share tracking to determine if miners are doing the wrong thing
(intentionally or unintentionally)
This is of course related to the stuff organofcorti mentioned and I posted about his comments here also.
I've found a few miners, 2 are pretty much certain, and the rest very likely, using hardware that doesn't mine properly.
They all started mining in January, their total payouts since then have been less than 1 block.
These are miners that have the same problem as that 'other' pool.
I wonder if they just moved their hardware here, from there?
The pool logs ALL sorts of information that I will go through later to see if there is any correlation between them all
(and any other miners) Then I'll contact them some time after that ...
At this point I'm going to stop all their payouts, so they end up in their 'dust', until they find blocks.
Also, the block finding luck will need to be better than 100%, since they need to cover the pool's loss of their payouts they've received.
i.e. they have about a 2/3 chance of finding a block in time to cover their ... actions.
See, I see it as: if I ask for the BTC back, that they've been paid, I doubt anyone would give it back and blame their choice of hardware on ... well no idea ... but blaming it on the pool is not gonna work for me.
If they run away, then the dust building up in their accounts will eventually be redistributed based on the payout it should have been in, back to everyone else as 'adjustments' later once that is possible.
It's not a lot of BTC, single digits on each account, and total is, as I said, less than a block.
This is also now the next code change I've got to do, a way to simply flag an account to be in this state of no 'auto' payout so I don't have to manually intervene with these accounts during the payout process.
I'll post more details at some later time, but yeah I better get back to these 4 payouts overdue since last night.
It seems like there are two things to be done to make it right...one is to pay back BTC that was gained improperly and the second is to take the offending hardware out of commission as soon as possible. Getting the hardware that doesn't mine properly off the pool is critical to stopping the problem. Are you able to identify which worker(s) need to be shut down? Are you going to communicate this information directly to the owners? I would want to shut down any problem machines right away if they were in my collection...
March 14, 2016, 10:43:04 PM
... and to avoid me having to manually adjust payout amounts and doing that multiple times, I'll be restarting CKDB in about 40 minutes.
This update is to allow me to simply flag an account related to this, and the rest of my payout processing will do what's needed.
As usual for a CKDB restart:
No miners will be affected ... at all.
...and ... I'll wait for the first shift summarisation after the hour to ensure the restart runs quickly.
A summarisation just completed, so the one after the hour will be ~40minutes from now.
So, the CKDB restart will be at roughly 03:25am UTC
The 4 overdue payouts will be sent out shortly after that with the correct adjustments.
402505 402556 402561 402567
Restart completed.This update is to allow me to simply flag an account related to this, and the rest of my payout processing will do what's needed.
As usual for a CKDB restart:
No miners will be affected ... at all.
...and ... I'll wait for the first shift summarisation after the hour to ensure the restart runs quickly.
A summarisation just completed, so the one after the hour will be ~40minutes from now.
So, the CKDB restart will be at roughly 03:25am UTC
The 4 overdue payouts will be sent out shortly after that with the correct adjustments.
402505 402556 402561 402567
Took 9 minutes.
March 14, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
So what block have been paid out thus far?
I only got up to
402347
I only got up to
402347
me too and I think that is correct
now I have two accounts one of which is 100 % avalon6 that was paid to block
402347
and the larger account which is s-7 avalon6 and many rentals is paid to 402347
402347 is also the last block I got paid on.
On the 13th, I show only 1 payout pending from the Account Payouts, normally is 4-6, did we just have bad luck that day?
6 blocks show under Payments, but my wallet hasn't received them yet.
March 14, 2016, 10:00:28 PM
Thanks, I will leave it alone, My systems are great and I just saw that option and was curious.
Hoping to see my name as block finder one day soon... I know it probably makes no dif but will make me smile
Hoping to see my name as block finder one day soon... I know it probably makes no dif but will make me smile
March 14, 2016, 09:54:02 PM
...
I would like to know under worker management if I should have a value in there or not and if it helps?
Unless there's a problem with your miner, you are best to leave the difficulty at the pool default.I would like to know under worker management if I should have a value in there or not and if it helps?
However, you can't make it lower than the pool makes it, but you can put it up higher.
March 14, 2016, 09:50:11 PM
Hi all, I am new to server and fairly new to mining, I started at eligius after buying a machine 2 years ago, then bought s5's and relivested and was fearfully trying different servers and was on Bitminter and then they went bad and after asking a question after almost a week about payouts I got a smart.. remark and after another day I searched and found this place.
I stopped mining after a day of dead and reran my electric so that as things get better I may buy some more, I only have 7 s7's as of now but hope to add more as I can from earnings.
After that long story I would like to say I have been reading the posts and see the responses and work going on behind the scenes and really appreciate the effort and hope everything works out for all of us.
I am pretty uninformed on a lot of this but am constantly reading and learning how things work but still like not knowing the whole gambit.
I would like to know under worker management if I should have a value in there or not and if it helps?
I stopped mining after a day of dead and reran my electric so that as things get better I may buy some more, I only have 7 s7's as of now but hope to add more as I can from earnings.
After that long story I would like to say I have been reading the posts and see the responses and work going on behind the scenes and really appreciate the effort and hope everything works out for all of us.
I am pretty uninformed on a lot of this but am constantly reading and learning how things work but still like not knowing the whole gambit.
I would like to know under worker management if I should have a value in there or not and if it helps?
March 14, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
... and to avoid me having to manually adjust payout amounts and doing that multiple times, I'll be restarting CKDB in about 40 minutes.
This update is to allow me to simply flag an account related to this, and the rest of my payout processing will do what's needed.
As usual for a CKDB restart:
No miners will be affected ... at all.
...and ... I'll wait for the first shift summarisation after the hour to ensure the restart runs quickly.
A summarisation just completed, so the one after the hour will be ~40minutes from now.
So, the CKDB restart will be at roughly 03:25am UTC
The 4 overdue payouts will be sent out shortly after that with the correct adjustments.
402505 402556 402561 402567
This update is to allow me to simply flag an account related to this, and the rest of my payout processing will do what's needed.
As usual for a CKDB restart:
No miners will be affected ... at all.
...and ... I'll wait for the first shift summarisation after the hour to ensure the restart runs quickly.
A summarisation just completed, so the one after the hour will be ~40minutes from now.
So, the CKDB restart will be at roughly 03:25am UTC
The 4 overdue payouts will be sent out shortly after that with the correct adjustments.
402505 402556 402561 402567
March 14, 2016, 09:41:11 PM
Ok, just want to be in sync.
March 14, 2016, 09:38:37 PM
So what block have been paid out thus far?
I only got up to
402347
I only got up to
402347
me too and I think that is correct
now I have two accounts one of which is 100 % avalon6 that was paid to block
402347
and the larger account which is s-7 avalon6 and many rentals is paid to 402347
March 14, 2016, 09:38:24 PM
So what block have been paid out thus far?
I only got up to
402347
I only got up to
402347
Same here
March 14, 2016, 09:38:05 PM
Well, that's a few pages of 'interesting' comments
I was just gonna do a quick click though all these pages since 'last night' since I'm working on the next 4 payouts that are overdue, but then decided I better post some more details rather than wait until after I finish processing the payouts.
Yes I've sent out (and all but one person) has received the payouts for blocks 402342 and 402347
We confirmed the 2 payouts
Over the last 2 days I've been doing a lot of work on the share tracking to determine if miners are doing the wrong thing
(intentionally or unintentionally)
This is of course related to the stuff organofcorti mentioned and I posted about his comments here also.
I've found a few miners, 2 are pretty much certain, and the rest very likely, using hardware that doesn't mine properly.
They all started mining in January, their total payouts since then have been less than 1 block.
These are miners that have the same problem as that 'other' pool.
I wonder if they just moved their hardware here, from there?
The pool logs ALL sorts of information that I will go through later to see if there is any correlation between them all
(and any other miners) Then I'll contact them some time after that ...
At this point I'm going to stop all their payouts, so they end up in their 'dust', until they find blocks.
Also, the block finding luck will need to be better than 100%, since they need to cover the pool's loss of their payouts they've received.
i.e. they have about a 2/3 chance of finding a block in time to cover their ... actions.
See, I see it as: if I ask for the BTC back, that they've been paid, I doubt anyone would give it back and blame their choice of hardware on ... well no idea ... but blaming it on the pool is not gonna work for me.
If they run away, then the dust building up in their accounts will eventually be redistributed based on the payout it should have been in, back to everyone else as 'adjustments' later once that is possible.
It's not a lot of BTC, single digits on each account, and total is, as I said, less than a block.
This is also now the next code change I've got to do, a way to simply flag an account to be in this state of no 'auto' payout so I don't have to manually intervene with these accounts during the payout process.
I'll post more details at some later time, but yeah I better get back to these 4 payouts overdue since last night.
I was just gonna do a quick click though all these pages since 'last night' since I'm working on the next 4 payouts that are overdue, but then decided I better post some more details rather than wait until after I finish processing the payouts.
Yes I've sent out (and all but one person) has received the payouts for blocks 402342 and 402347
We confirmed the 2 payouts
Over the last 2 days I've been doing a lot of work on the share tracking to determine if miners are doing the wrong thing
(intentionally or unintentionally)
This is of course related to the stuff organofcorti mentioned and I posted about his comments here also.
I've found a few miners, 2 are pretty much certain, and the rest very likely, using hardware that doesn't mine properly.
They all started mining in January, their total payouts since then have been less than 1 block.
These are miners that have the same problem as that 'other' pool.
I wonder if they just moved their hardware here, from there?
The pool logs ALL sorts of information that I will go through later to see if there is any correlation between them all
(and any other miners) Then I'll contact them some time after that ...
At this point I'm going to stop all their payouts, so they end up in their 'dust', until they find blocks.
Also, the block finding luck will need to be better than 100%, since they need to cover the pool's loss of their payouts they've received.
i.e. they have about a 2/3 chance of finding a block in time to cover their ... actions.
See, I see it as: if I ask for the BTC back, that they've been paid, I doubt anyone would give it back and blame their choice of hardware on ... well no idea ... but blaming it on the pool is not gonna work for me.
If they run away, then the dust building up in their accounts will eventually be redistributed based on the payout it should have been in, back to everyone else as 'adjustments' later once that is possible.
It's not a lot of BTC, single digits on each account, and total is, as I said, less than a block.
This is also now the next code change I've got to do, a way to simply flag an account to be in this state of no 'auto' payout so I don't have to manually intervene with these accounts during the payout process.
I'll post more details at some later time, but yeah I better get back to these 4 payouts overdue since last night.
Thanks, kid. Appreciated.
March 14, 2016, 09:37:56 PM
I have the same firmware on all my s7's, four have hit blocks so that looks good.
Now rentals I have no idea.
Now rentals I have no idea.
when the time comes I would love to know if this is a rental issue
I'm really curious also. If it is I may seek renting a miner directly from someone instead of using a rental site or go with used rig hosted when using kano pool. I don't do NH because I don't know what's mining on what firmware. If I had 10 rigs with varying diffs and manufacturers I wouldn't put them on the same worker. The price is the only one worth it though, if kano says it doesn't hurt the pool I may try. I will say I hit a block here with a rental and 30 blocks in other pools in the past renting. The ones in the past were in better diff days...
Phillip, do have any links on like a small shed type solar set up? Something you could fit in a small area without integrating power from the line. Like 1-2rig shack or something similar.
If I could sell some PC parts and get a little solar set up I could mine on my own a little. Maybe my sp20 and a couple s3. Then I would have solar setup left for upgrade time.
March 14, 2016, 09:34:43 PM
So what block have been paid out thus far?
I only got up to
402347
I only got up to
402347
March 14, 2016, 09:24:40 PM
If they done this intentionaly i hope that they never get the BTC, i lost 0.7 on rentals during this bad luck period.
March 14, 2016, 09:19:21 PM
One block please. Don't hold the mayo.
March 14, 2016, 09:14:00 PM
I have the same firmware on all my s7's, four have hit blocks so that looks good.
Now rentals I have no idea.
Now rentals I have no idea.
when the time comes I would love to know if this is a rental issue
March 14, 2016, 09:09:59 PM
I have the same firmware on all my s7's, four have hit blocks so that looks good.
Now rentals I have no idea.
Now rentals I have no idea.
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