Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 1916. (Read 5352119 times)

Hi

It was the same S3, but I have a confession, between november and decemeber, I did a bit of pre xmas surgery because I thought it was running a bit to hot, I found the inside was stuffed with dust bunnies, so I stripped it down and blew it out with an airline, unplugged and tried to clean all the connections, even added a wifi antena, then after putting back together I updated the firmware, and threatened it, that if it didn't run cooler and faster, I would sell it on ebay..

apparently this threat seemed to work, because it runs cooler, and faster, like it did when it was new. still wired in as yet, but planning on using wifi.

Ste

Last three months i was on different pool . Eventually all pool pay in same range with PPS system.

With PPLNS -With current rate (As Hash power increase on Kano)_we must find 2 blocks a day to get  paid better than PPS.

In month of Oct 1 block a day using PPLNS was enough get paid more than PPS system.

Above is general conclusion.

If i am wrong consider as a mistake...correct the mistake and we move on.

Thanks
Sky

I admit, there might still be a few xmas mince pies hassling my brain cells

but, as I understand it, from the shifts page

5qug6 valentina   Dec-24 00:33:09   47m 27s   284.217k   646   428.76GHs   2.219k   128.08   4   0.02137   79.86%

the 4 is the number of times the shift has received a payment (block found) within the 5Nd period, which I know varies its hours depending upon pool hash rate and diff,

the  0.02137  is the number of satoshis that I will be paid for that shift, per share submitted, so that gets  multiplied by the 284.217k shares that I submitted..

is that correct ?

Ste

There might be something there, but comparing different hash rate at different difficulty at different payout system makes it hard to pinpoint.

Different Difficulty = ~20% difference
Different Pools = ~2% difference
Different Hash Rate = makes the compare difficult to repond to.   
the 5Nd looks stable over a few days but varies over the examples.  using same "equipment" but not same hashrate.

StevenD,

I don't think you are understanding how the payout system of PPLNS works vs the PPS of the other pool you are using.

Take a look at how I explained it earlier:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13198117

0.00036157 * 5 = 0.00180785 BTC @ 5N, @ 97 hrs

0.00180785 / 4.042 Days =  0.000447266 BTC/Day for 84GHs

put 85GHs in an online calculator and see what you can get.

edit: epic math fail on my part.

Hi If I show you a few days either side of those two, you will see that they were pretty std formy mining

from the 18th

384195   18/Nov 19:04   24.82829424   329.586G   178hr 36m 31s   2.20PHs   0.00%   13.514M   90.27GHs   0.00101805
384086   18/Nov 01:46   25.01535297   330.527G   179hr 43m 57s   2.19PHs   0.00%   14.606M   96.95GHs   0.00110543
384072   17/Nov 23:30   24.91304424   329.425G   178hr 57m 40s   2.20PHs   0.00%   14.606M   97.37GHs   0.00110459
383851   16/Nov 12:23   24.88551424   329.785G   182hr 21m 39s   2.16PHs   0.00%   14.606M   95.56GHs   0.00110217

and from the 24th

390432    27/Dec 07:42   24.81187616   469.898G   96hr 59m 1s   5.78PHs   0.00%   6.848M   84.24GHs   0.00036157
390413    27/Dec 05:52   24.88483546   469.032G   96hr 41m 1s   5.79PHs   0.00%   6.848M   84.50GHs   0.00036330
390118    25/Dec 15:01   25.18862600   468.879G   96hr 10m 17s   5.82PHs   0.00%   6.848M   84.95GHs   0.00036786
389909    24/Dec 02:59   25.39503317   469.643G   100hr 41m 17s   5.56PHs   0.00%   4.522M   53.58GHs   0.00024451

The most recent rewards have been cut quite a lot

Over the 16th to 18th I earned   0.00433024

Over the 24th to 27th I earned   0.00133724

thats a big drop, I know its because the pool went from 2.2ph upto the current 5.7ph so lower payments are to be expected, and I understand that this is what should happen.

But, today alone, the other pool has already paid me on 9 blocks

25808   27/12/2015 19:28   66 minutes   40.05 Ph/s   455.9 Gh/s   0.00028074   25.17061072 BTC   99
25807   27/12/2015 18:21   4 minutes   39.68 Ph/s   449.0 Gh/s   0.00027809   25.07554791 BTC   85
25806   27/12/2015 18:17   8 hours   39.67 Ph/s   452.5 Gh/s   0.0002806   25.10373606 BTC   83
25805   27/12/2015 09:49   77 minutes   39.66 Ph/s   459.1 Gh/s   0.00028463   25.09182637 BTC   19
25804   27/12/2015 08:32   3 hours   39.37 Ph/s   438.7 Gh/s   0.00027438   25.12638663 BTC   9
25803   27/12/2015 04:33   111 minutes   39.81 Ph/s   432.7 Gh/s   0.00026701   25.06730967 BTC   Confirmed
25802   27/12/2015 02:41   2 minutes   39.76 Ph/s   465.9 Gh/s   0.00028744   25.02955979 BTC   Confirmed
25801   27/12/2015 02:39   35 minutes   39.84 Ph/s   459.6 Gh/s   0.00028428   25.14479173 BTC   Confirmed
25800   27/12/2015 02:03   2 hours   39.81 Ph/s   447.5 Gh/s   0.00027711   25.15742609 BTC   Confirmed
               
Thats a total of 0.00251428 already today, ad again, for me, today still has 5hrs to go.

I know that luck has a lot to do with it,

but with the luck I have had, I received payments on 23 blocks found since the evening of the 24th, and that gave me 0.00638135 from my one S3

To get this even with a full 5Nd here would mean me buying more miners, because although the pool has raised to 6ph, it isnt yet getting enough blocks, to give enough payouts in the 100+hrs that is the 5Nd to equal what I am rewarded as PPS in the 40ph pool or what I was getting when the 5Nd was 170hrs in November and the Kano pool was just 2ph.

As I said, I think there must be a sweet spot, where a pool matches the hashrate, and as it gets bigger you fall into or out of the sweet spots, and I think anyone who is currently mining less than about 2th is not currently in a sweet spot, I think there probably suffering like I was, I think the only people winning in the current 6ph are the top 20 users who are gaining from the other 300+ users helping them ride their own sweet spot wave.

Ste

Ditto.
"You can't compare blocks, you would need to compare something like a full week or month, and would need to mine for the same amount of time."

Looking only at the Your BTC columns between different payout is comparing apples to oranges.

Although my favorite is BTC.   The other two significant pieces you are overlooking there on the snapsot.

N Range = can be seen almost like to as 5Nd.   It will shink with pool speed.
N Average = your avg hash over that range.   Should equal your equipment speed.

The S3 is OOB capable of ~440GHs theoretical.   
Samples showing N average at 90GHs and 53GHs.   

From your two sample points,
100 vs 178, rounding up to about 2x as fast payouts (kind of).
53 vs 90, rounding down to about 1/2 the effort (kind of).
plus one difficulty adjustment that will drop profits by 18% (deciding factor).

1/4 of the BTC payout looks right.

do a forum search for, ckpoolmonitor.  if you want another view with better math than above.

Payouts 390413 and 390432 sent
aa4baed1cb6010f8663e15b645a2ae33e465f6b5a06b273f926a6054a8537d06
25520aff64796656b220d36cee9ea1228a43b00a22b5967486573adf8fb0e7e6
and confirmed

You say that you mine off and on, you picked two "days" that you mined all day, but did you mine the full 5N prior to those blocks you picked? The answer is no. If you look at your average hashrate for those two blocks you picked you will see the average rate for the first one was 90ghs the second was 53ghs, so my guess is that you mined for nearly 1.7x longer during the 5N of the first block.

You can't compare blocks, you would need to compare something like a full week or month, and would need to mine for the same amount of time.

The other pool you were using was probably PPS, and for short duration would appear to payout better, but if you looked at a longer timespan it will be less then you would be getting here (as long as our luck stays as good as it has been).

Sanyo Denki 9GV1212P1J091

Without it I would see 60-65° temps so about a 8-10° change I was amazed

Hi e46btc

I can see that the network diff has risen, but the basic same 93G  network diff was paid out on by the 40ph pool over the last 3 days is basically same diff as the 24th payout that I listed and got paid here at Kano's, yet I earned quite a lot more elsewhere, again because the 40ph pool found 3 to 6 blocks per day, and the Kano even paying back for work done as part of the 5Nd doesn't make up those extra block payments I received elsewhere.

This is why I said I think there's something like a sweet spot, which when Kano pool was at 2ph and with me being one of the smaller pool hash supporters, it actually worked out and paid out ok, but now that its gone to 6ph it doesn't, suspect this will change when the pool becomes bigger, because as it finds more blocks per day, it will probably make it worthwhile again, as I found with the 40ph pool that I just joined, where the S3 is an even smaller part of the total hash rate than I am here at Kano, but I am earning more.

from the stats page, its simple to see that now with the pool at 5.75ph, that those over 50TH which is less than 20 of the top users are actually making up over 4ph of the 5.75ph. so 320 of the 340 users are sharing 30% of the payout, It could be that those top 20 users at Kano, find the opposite to me, that because they take 70% of the reward for the block, they earn more at Kano than if they were smaller 50% or 40% hashers of a slightly larger 25ph pool, so that dragging along an extra 2ph of slower S3 and S5 users at Kano makes this 5.75ph their sweet spot pool.

The only way here at Kano's pool that I can currently see to make the same as a month ago, is to buy three times the miners, but I would be spending to make no extra.

So for now I think pointing them elsewhere is making it worthwhile, I am a smaller tiny fish in their 40ph, but many payments per day actually seems to be giving me better returns.

Ste

I have them at numerous data centers that we own that house clients servers.

What fans did you decide to use on your s5's?  I've already done multiple fan changes on my single s5, and while it's certainly better than the stock screaming jet engine I believe it can still be better. TIA 

Oh, and nice to wakeup to a DOUBLE BLOCK PARTY! I'll have to do the chicken on the pepperoni pizza trick again...

You have them in a datacenter?

Dual fans on all my s5's, temps never over 52°

All of mine have pakedge p8's and surgeX power conditioners. Except the one of course.

You are dead on as it happened after modem reset which happens every 4 days at 2:00am. Guess I'll have to change that setup.

StevenD,
you've forgot one last but not least thing - Network Difficulty.
Nov 18 - 65G diff
Dec 24 - 93G diff
it raised for +47% roughly

And pool hashrate raised from 2.2 PH/s to 5.56 PH/s,  +152%

so your part from the total submitted shares count is very small.

Shift hours dropped because of pool luck for last blocks. Please read once again about 5Nd payout.

With your S3 unfortunately you will earn almost nothing these days, it might be good idea to try lottery at solo.ckpool.org and maybe you are lucky

Hi all

Maybe someone can help

Last week I saw a post from someone had noticed a considerable drop in their rewards for same work done, I had already noticed this as well, but because mining is just a hobby thing hadn't looked into it to deeply.

I had noticed that the pool had recently jumped from 2ph to 6ph and thought that this was great as more hash/people must equal more reward, but I am now not so sure this is correct, I am not even sure that more hash/people even equals 'same reward', but maybe I haven't understood something, so might need walking through it by someone.

Two example days, when I was mining with an S3. please note that I do not mine constantly, its a hobby, so I have picked two days when I'm sure I mined all day

18th nov
384195    18/Nov 19:04   24.82829424   329.586G   178hr 36m 31s   2.20PHs   0.00%   13.514M   90.27GHs   0.00101805

24th Dec
389909    24/Dec 02:59    25.39503317   469.643G   100hr 41m 17s   5.56PHs   0.00%   4.522M   53.58GHs   0.00024451

First thing I noticed is that on the 18th when the pool was only 2.2ph I got more that 4x the reward than I did on the 25th when the pool was 5.56ph, I can see and understand that as the pool gets larger my S3  is a smaller and smaller share of the total ph and so get I a smaller share of the total reward.

It seems that now the pool is at 6ph to get the same reward as when it was 2ph means I would have to invest in more miners to keep my same share of the total, but for lots of people, myself included this isn't going to happen, when I look at the stats of the pool, I note that probably 40% of the pool individual users have a hash rates below 2th, probably  people are like myself with a few S3's S5's or multiples or combinations of similar. I wonder how many of those people have noticed a drop in overall rewards, or like me, were blinkered by the slightly higher block find rate

My guess is that the slowdown in payments as the hash has risen to the 6ph is more easily noticed by people who are still >1ph using just one or two S3's than those people with higher hash rates.

Anyway, started feeling that I was getting left behind, so started to look at other pools, and so I moved my small S3 to somewhere else, and left it running a few days.

I joined a pool that was approx 39ph hash rate, finding many blocks per day, and even though it was PPS I found that I was getting many times per day than here at Kano

25805   2015-12-27 09:49   77 minutes   39.66 Ph/s   459.1 Gh/s   0.00028463 BTC   25.09182637 BTC   68%
25804   2015-12-27 08:32   3 hours   39.37 Ph/s   438.7 Gh/s   0.00027438 BTC   25.12638663 BTC   58%
25803   2015-12-27 04:33   111 minutes 9.81 Ph/s   432.7 Gh/s   0.00026701 BTC   25.06730967 BTC   10%
25802   2015-12-27 02:41   2 minutes   39.76 Ph/s   465.9 Gh/s   0.00028744 BTC   25.02955979 BTC   Confirmed
25801   2015-12-27 02:39   35 minutes   39.84 Ph/s   459.6 Gh/s   0.00028428 BTC   25.14479173 BTC   Confirmed
25800   2015-12-27 02:03   2 hours   39.81 Ph/s   447.5 Gh/s   0.00027711 BTC   25.15742609 BTC   Confirmed
25799   2015-12-26 23:03   2 hours   39.70 Ph/s   432.7 Gh/s   0.00026831 BTC   25.12177646 BTC   Confirmed
25798   2015-12-26 20:48   12 hours   39.68 Ph/s   434.1 Gh/s   0.00026880 BTC   25.07250032 BTC   Confirmed
25797   2015-12-26 08:34   2 hours   39.57 Ph/s   445.1 Gh/s   0.00027767 BTC   25.19083150 BTC   Confirmed
25796   2015-12-26 05:45   5 hours   40.04 Ph/s   441.8 Gh/s   0.00027060 BTC   25.02396967 BTC   Confirmed
25795   2015-12-26 00:26   10 hours   39.97 Ph/s   439.7 Gh/s   0.00027074 BTC   25.11402231 BTC   Confirmed
25794   2015-12-25 14:07   39 minutes   40.31 Ph/s   444.5 Gh/s   0.00027253 BTC   25.22110043 BTC   Confirmed
25793   2015-12-25 13:28   9 hours   39.91 Ph/s   431.9 Gh/s   0.00026557 BTC   25.04484618 BTC   Confirmed
25792   2015-12-25 04:17   4 hours   39.92 Ph/s   452.4 Gh/s   0.00028178 BTC   25.37422803 BTC   Confirmed

I have earned about 0.00164 just today alone, and the days only half way through.

The other thing I noticed is having a hash rate of 6phh also effected the payment on shift hours dropped from 178hrs to 100hrs for those two days.

It seems like using the S3 or similar is still ok, but that there seems to be a honey spot of PH, which at around 2ph and not so many users, spending 80hrs mining still Kano gave a payment that is worthwhile, but that at 6ph when it can still take 30 hours a block or 5 days for 5 blocks, that its actually proven better for me to jump right to a 40ph pool and get lots of tiny payments.

Of course luck always helps, but luck is a part of whichever pool your mining.

at the moment, it looks to myself like most of the smaller hash rate people are loosing out, and the only way to stay the same reward here is to mine more hash rate, find another small 2ph pool or do like I did and go for a much larger pool finding lots more blocks, Maybe I have missed or not understood something basic?

Ste

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