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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on September 28, 2018, 02:28:27 PM

You are mining dust... AFAIK it takes at least 1THs, probably a bit more, to be above the dust level. If by R-box you are referring to the video streaming device -- forget it. Read https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-mining-intro-rules-of-this-subforum-read-before-posting-2415854 point-3.

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dear thanks for your replay

my r-new miner is 110w only so I can run it on solar power
I am collecting some mining for the future not for now
may be 1 bitcoin reach 1 million dollars in the future

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You are mining dust... AFAIK it takes at least 1THs, probably a bit more, to be above the dust level. If by R-box you are referring to the video streaming device -- forget it. Read https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-mining-intro-rules-of-this-subforum-read-before-posting-2415854 point-3.

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Quote from: clgrissom3 on September 28, 2018, 11:58:03 AM

Block by sidewinder...another sub-100% block! A nice fat one! Cheesy

This is our 1st of BLOCK FRIDAY! Cheesy

Good start to the weekend 🍻

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: clgrissom3 on September 28, 2018, 01:08:48 PM

I've been watching your posts here and there is a very simple approach to all of this...all pools will find the expected number of blocks (100%) over time (unless there is block withholding going on) as luck will always even out. The real difference between pools is transaction and pool fees. For example, antpoo does not give the transaction fees to the miners so you would lose big time there. Pools like KanoPool and Slush both give transaction fees back to the miners so the difference is 0.9% pool fees here vs 2.0% at slush. The math is painfully simple and test runs are not necessary as diff changes effects everyone's payouts ...if you want to get the most out of your hashrate, point all of your machines here.

Maybe so, but I have done where I have 5 miners on one pool, another 5 on another etc etc for several months and they do not always balance out - some pools consistently do better than others. I even solo mine on a few - praying for that lottery win lol

Some pools just seem to have more luck at different times, so maybe with a longer time frame the more it will even out - maybe not. But either way, I am by no means complaining. I enjoy mining and I understand it is all pretty much risk based.

My posts here are more or less concerning the ramping up and ramping down. I can see this done in several pools but not as many are as transparent as this pool is - hence why I am asking/commenting about it here.

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Carl, aka Sonny :)

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on September 28, 2018, 12:30:32 PM

Quote from: clgrissom3 on September 28, 2018, 11:58:03 AM

Block by sidewinder...another sub-100% block! A nice fat one! Cheesy

This is our 1st of BLOCK FRIDAY! Cheesy

right? let's get 3 more today!

I got a little bit better of a reward this time, right now, its still very little only about $4.60 for 30 hours of 69-71 TH/s
I cant wait to see what the total is after reaching full ramp up. but still its 3 blocks in 3 days. I think someone said it earlier, at full ramp up, it's .005 per block at my current TH/s speed.

Block Block UTC Miner Reward N Diff N Range Pool N Avg Your % Your N Diff Your N Avg Your BTC
543474 2018-Sep-28 16:57 12.63229388 35.782T 206hr 12m 21s 207.03PHs 0.01% 2.011G 11.64THs 0.00070994

I've been watching your posts here and there is a very simple approach to all of this...all pools will find the expected number of blocks (100%) over time (unless there is block withholding going on) as luck will always even out. The real difference between pools is transaction and pool fees. For example, antpoo does not give the transaction fees to the miners so you would lose big time there. Pools like KanoPool and Slush both give transaction fees back to the miners so the difference is 0.9% pool fees here vs 2.0% at slush. The math is painfully simple and test runs are not necessary as diff changes effects everyone's payouts ...if you want to get the most out of your hashrate, point all of your machines here.

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Quote from: clgrissom3 on September 28, 2018, 11:58:03 AM

Block by sidewinder...another sub-100% block! A nice fat one! Cheesy

This is our 1st of BLOCK FRIDAY! Cheesy

Ou yeah, hit me blockie too.

Can update my mining hardware, still eat mom`s food/working place Embarrassed

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: clgrissom3 on September 28, 2018, 11:58:03 AM

Block by sidewinder...another sub-100% block! A nice fat one! Cheesy

This is our 1st of BLOCK FRIDAY! Cheesy

right? let's get 3 more today!

I got a little bit better of a reward this time, right now, its still very little only about $4.60 for 30 hours of 69-71 TH/s
I cant wait to see what the total is after reaching full ramp up. but still its 3 blocks in 3 days. I think someone said it earlier, at full ramp up, it's .005 per block at my current TH/s speed.

Block Block UTC Miner Reward N Diff N Range Pool N Avg Your % Your N Diff Your N Avg Your BTC
543474 2018-Sep-28 16:57 12.63229388 35.782T 206hr 12m 21s 207.03PHs 0.01% 2.011G 11.64THs 0.00070994

clgrissom3

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Carl, aka Sonny :)

Block by sidewinder...another sub-100% block! A nice fat one! Cheesy

This is our 1st of BLOCK FRIDAY! Cheesy

MoparMiningLLC

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c'mon block! at 30 hours - lets get another one this week!

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Quote from: kano on September 28, 2018, 03:32:11 AM

Yep, I charge a massive 0.9% of the total

(as it says on Help->Payouts)

ok, np, just to clarify.

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Quote from: sergw on September 28, 2018, 03:07:30 AM

Quote from: dutchlincoln on September 27, 2018, 09:40:50 AM

this may make it easy:

543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs   0.09%   31.828G   183.23THs   0.01107239
543172   2018-Sep-26 14:18   12.55768480   35.763T   207hr 56m 29s   205.19PHs   0.09%   31.689G   181.82THs   0.01112725
542713   2018-Sep-23 16:23   12.41669382   35.819T   217hr 11m 49s   196.75PHs   0.09%   32.595G   179.04THs   0.01129887
542525   2018-Sep-22 11:03   12.41692607   35.898T   217hr 41m 50s   196.73PHs   0.09%   32.659G   178.98THs   0.01129670
542434   2018-Sep-21 20:03   12.69758809   35.788T   217hr 42m 22s   196.12PHs   0.09%   32.654G   178.95THs   0.01158567
542394   2018-Sep-21 14:16   12.78682930   35.787T   217hr 50m 32s   195.99PHs   0.09%   32.680G   178.97THs   0.01167651
542174   2018-Sep-20 01:55   12.48917435   35.205T   214hr 8m 39s   196.14PHs   0.09%   32.100G   178.84THs   0.01138752

pardon me, but why for some blocks "Miner Reward" is less than 12.5? is it pool fee?

Yep, I charge a massive 0.9% of the total

(as it says on Help->Payouts)

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Quote from: dutchlincoln on September 27, 2018, 09:40:50 AM

this may make it easy:

543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs   0.09%   31.828G   183.23THs   0.01107239
543172   2018-Sep-26 14:18   12.55768480   35.763T   207hr 56m 29s   205.19PHs   0.09%   31.689G   181.82THs   0.01112725
542713   2018-Sep-23 16:23   12.41669382   35.819T   217hr 11m 49s   196.75PHs   0.09%   32.595G   179.04THs   0.01129887
542525   2018-Sep-22 11:03   12.41692607   35.898T   217hr 41m 50s   196.73PHs   0.09%   32.659G   178.98THs   0.01129670
542434   2018-Sep-21 20:03   12.69758809   35.788T   217hr 42m 22s   196.12PHs   0.09%   32.654G   178.95THs   0.01158567
542394   2018-Sep-21 14:16   12.78682930   35.787T   217hr 50m 32s   195.99PHs   0.09%   32.680G   178.97THs   0.01167651
542174   2018-Sep-20 01:55   12.48917435   35.205T   214hr 8m 39s   196.14PHs   0.09%   32.100G   178.84THs   0.01138752

pardon me, but why for some blocks "Miner Reward" is less than 12.5? is it pool fee?

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: rifleman74 on September 27, 2018, 10:16:50 PM

Well technically you are "collecting" dust", which will be paid paid sometime soon. The 5 s9's will be more than adequate, just under .005 a block roughly.

.005 per block would be great - if we find one every two days, it would be comparable to slush, i was getting about .0024 per day there with 5. so, a block every day (if lucky) or like one day I saw when looking back, you all had 3 blocks in like a 24 hour period. a block a day though at current btc would be equal to about 975... hmm I may need to bring all my S9's lol

all in all, mining is fun - there is a lot to learn for sure. but overall the crypto community is great. there are douchebags and scammers but those I think are really not part of the community, they are just involved to abuse it and take advantage of the newbs.

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on September 27, 2018, 09:27:09 PM

Quote from: kano on September 27, 2018, 09:19:53 PM

Firstly, see Edit2 above in case that's relevant.

Secondly, all payouts on the pool have been your reward per block since I started the pool (as long as it is above dust)
It doesn't combine transactions, or inputs, it sends the rewards to the miners using the block's target transaction and the total leftover dust to the pool.
That will eventually change.

However, dust on all accounts is still just sitting there gathering dust.
You can see all your rewards there on the Rewards page.

That's why I've been working on a new accounting system on the pool - so I can send out all the past dust correctly - and allow limits in the future.

yes I saw the edit and I totally realize that - I am just stating that it would be nice to be able to collect the dust

miners are expensive to operate so every bit counts. lol

again I appreciate your responses.

edit: I have also upped myself to 2S9's, 2S9i's and 1 S9J so I doubt any of my future rewards would be considered dust.

Well technically you are "collecting" dust", which will be paid paid sometime soon. The 5 s9's will be more than adequate, just under .005 a block roughly.

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Quote from: kano on September 27, 2018, 09:19:53 PM

Firstly, see Edit2 above in case that's relevant.

Secondly, all payouts on the pool have been your reward per block since I started the pool (as long as it is above dust)
It doesn't combine transactions, or inputs, it sends the rewards to the miners using the block's target transaction and the total leftover dust to the pool.
That will eventually change.

However, dust on all accounts is still just sitting there gathering dust.
You can see all your rewards there on the Rewards page.

That's why I've been working on a new accounting system on the pool - so I can send out all the past dust correctly - and allow limits in the future.

yes I saw the edit and I totally realize that - I am just stating that it would be nice to be able to collect the dust

miners are expensive to operate so every bit counts. lol

again I appreciate your responses.

edit: I have also upped myself to 2S9's, 2S9i's and 1 S9J so I doubt any of my future rewards would be considered dust.

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Firstly, see Edit2 above in case that's relevant.

Secondly, all payouts on the pool have been your reward per block since I started the pool (as long as it is above dust)
It doesn't combine transactions, or inputs, it sends the rewards to the miners using the block's target transaction and the total leftover dust to the pool.
That will eventually change.

However, dust on all accounts is still just sitting there gathering dust.
You can see all your rewards there on the Rewards page.

That's why I've been working on a new accounting system on the pool - so I can send out all the past dust correctly - and allow limits in the future.

MoparMiningLLC

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Quote from: kano on September 27, 2018, 09:05:07 PM

Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on September 27, 2018, 09:00:39 PM

@kano is there a way to set a limit before it the pool tries to send to my wallet? first reward never came thru and the second one is giving me a message that it is too small and may be dropped. this is not big money - might be around $2 but all the same, i dont like just losing money either.

I looked thru the settings and I dont see where we can set a minimum xfer amount - am I missing something or does it not exist and basically any reward small enough is just lost? so far have lost 0.00023762 BTC

Well I suggest you don't use wherever it is you are storing your wallet.
The current payout is once per block for all above dust - dust is 10,000 satoshi
Also note that the payout goes to the address you have when the block was found.

There's no reason for a wallet to not accept a 10,000 satoshi payment, so it must be some web site I guess that's ripping you off Tongue

You will see the payout for 543272 just confirmed now.

Edit: this will change in the future when I complete the accounting changes, but of course not until then.

my wallet is bitpay - very little fees to convert btc to cash which i then use the visa card it loads the cash to. I have never had issues with any other pool due to that all the pools i have participated in have a way to set minimum payout to avoid this issue.

if the first was 0.00008375, i get that under 10,000 is dust, why would it not have grouped with the second payment of 0.00015387? the system knows its mine as it has it allocated to me. all this being said, I dont think I will have that issue as long as i dont use a single miner. but still it seems like this is a discouragement to any small miners as they may never get paid as it does not accumulate but increments each payment separately.

and yes I am talking about the block 543272 - my payment for block 543172 is essentially dust and as it does not roll up/accumulate with the next payment is basically something I will never get, correct?

again, its approx $2 so ultimately not a big deal to me personally but I can imagine it can easily add up to tens of thousands of dollars with all the dust that has never been paid out.

also - appreciate the quick responses!

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Quote from: MoparMiningLLC on September 27, 2018, 09:00:39 PM

@kano is there a way to set a limit before it the pool tries to send to my wallet? first reward never came thru and the second one is giving me a message that it is too small and may be dropped. this is not big money - might be around $2 but all the same, i dont like just losing money either.

I looked thru the settings and I dont see where we can set a minimum xfer amount - am I missing something or does it not exist and basically any reward small enough is just lost? so far have lost 0.00023762 BTC

Well I suggest you don't use wherever it is you are storing your wallet.
The current payout is once per block for all above dust - dust is 10,000 satoshi
Also note that the payout goes to the address you have when the block was found.

There's no reason for a wallet to not accept a 10,000 satoshi payment, so it must be some web site I guess that's ripping you off Tongue

You will see the payout for 543272 just confirmed now.

Edit: this will change in the future when I complete the accounting changes, but of course not until then.

Edit2: though I might guess that maybe you were looking at a web site that said the transaction fee was too small?
If that's the case then ignore it - as I mentioned above, 543272 was just confirmed.
Some web sites have no idea about what transaction fees are necessary to get a transaction confirmed and will give incorrect warnings about that.

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@kano is there a way to set a limit before it the pool tries to send to my wallet? first reward never came thru and the second one is giving me a message that it is too small and may be dropped. this is not big money - might be around $2 but all the same, i dont like just losing money either.

I looked thru the settings and I dont see where we can set a minimum xfer amount - am I missing something or does it not exist and basically any reward small enough is just lost? so far have lost 0.00023762 BTC

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Quote from: kano on September 27, 2018, 07:03:00 PM

Yeah to clearify that - the 5Nd is how long it takes to change hash rate.

If you start mining, add miners, have an outage, remove miners, or stop mining.
It always takes 5Nd to change.

That's the whole 'reduce variance' bit - it spreads the changes out over 5Nd.
(which of course is how PPLNS works - and in our case N = 5Nd)

Quote from: rifleman74 on September 27, 2018, 05:29:16 PM

Just remember each miner has it's own ramp up period. The one already mining will have a shorter ramp period of course....when and if you do leave (imagining at the same time), each miner would ramp down at roughly the same "speed".

Trust me, there's no way slush or any other pool would have beat this month.....ZERO chance. My advice is to bring the other miners over....let them ramp up fully "The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 223.79PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 7days 23hrs." and then let them mine for 3-4 weeks. If you don't like it, then you can move away and still get paid some rewards for approximately the same period.

I get what you mean about the different ramp up times - the OCD in me had me rename the one that was already on with a new name so it shows as a new worker. That way all are on relatively the same schedule. I will just have to wait the week and see. now that I understand better how it works it makes sense that during ramp up it is less - especially as it keeps paying out when all the miners are gone until it fully ramps down. IMO that balances it mostly.

Thanks again for helping clarify and simplify the matter! hoping this works. If it does well, I may have to swing more miners over. I am also currently looking into building a mining farm on my spare lot. if that works, I will have hundreds of asics to point here

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