Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 99. (Read 5352229 times)

Yeah to clearify that - the 5Nd is how long it takes to change hash rate.

If you start mining, add miners, have an outage, remove miners, or stop mining.
It always takes 5Nd to change.

That's the whole 'reduce variance' bit - it spreads the changes out over 5Nd.
(which of course is how PPLNS works - and in our case N = 5Nd)

Just remember each miner has it's own ramp up period.   The one already mining will have a shorter ramp period of course....when and if you do leave (imagining at the same time), each miner would ramp down at roughly the same "speed".

Trust me, there's no way slush or any other pool would have beat this month.....ZERO chance.    My advice is to bring the other miners over....let them ramp up fully   "The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 223.79PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 7days 23hrs." and then let them mine for 3-4 weeks.   If you don't like it, then you can move away and still get paid some rewards for approximately the same period. 

ahh ok gotcha - still very new to these forums.

I am gonna throw a few more s9's at this pool and go thru the cycle at full ramp up and see if perhaps it is worth it. the math adds up - but I gotta see the profits come in as well

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ahh ok i think i understand the ramping up now - it increases the longer i am in the pool and decreases if i leave?

and having only been in the pool 3 days for 2 different blocks, i am still on the low end. as for code - I didnt paste any code, it was just a copy/paste from the website.

this may make it easy:

543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs   0.09%   31.828G   183.23THs   0.01107239
543172   2018-Sep-26 14:18   12.55768480   35.763T   207hr 56m 29s   205.19PHs   0.09%   31.689G   181.82THs   0.01112725
542713   2018-Sep-23 16:23   12.41669382   35.819T   217hr 11m 49s   196.75PHs   0.09%   32.595G   179.04THs   0.01129887
542525   2018-Sep-22 11:03   12.41692607   35.898T   217hr 41m 50s   196.73PHs   0.09%   32.659G   178.98THs   0.01129670
542434   2018-Sep-21 20:03   12.69758809   35.788T   217hr 42m 22s   196.12PHs   0.09%   32.654G   178.95THs   0.01158567
542394   2018-Sep-21 14:16   12.78682930   35.787T   217hr 50m 32s   195.99PHs   0.09%   32.680G   178.97THs   0.01167651
542174   2018-Sep-20 01:55   12.48917435   35.205T   214hr 8m 39s   196.14PHs   0.09%   32.100G   178.84THs   0.01138752

During the ramping time you get increasing rewards until after the 5n you receive full payments each time we hit a block. If you leave here, then you will continue to get decreasing rewards for the next 5n after you left until all you earned has been paid to you or what remains falls below the dust threshold.

About pasting data here, please use the # button which is for pasting code. Using it what you supplied becomes
which is much better to deal with.

As it says, we rewarded every share for the last 207hrs
Since you weren't mining for 207hrs, your fraction of the reward was lower.
e.g. if you mined for 100hrs then your reward would be about half of the fully ramped up reward.
24hrs then your reward would be about one eighth of the fully ramped up reward.

Also, it's not 1 shift, it's 207hrs of shifts for that reward.
The actual length is 5Nd+a bit, and the amount of time depends on the pool hash rate and the current network difficulty.
On the shift page, all the shifts rewarded goes down to the red line you can see by clicking the link above the shift list.

As I explained above, the pool uses 5Nd for the N in PPLNS
So your reward will take 5Nd to reach it's expected value for the hash rate.
It's not losing reward, it's spreading it out over 5Nd in the future.
At the moment 5Nd is a bit over 8 days (~207hrs)

Again have a look at this:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.26608107

If you leave today, you will still get rewards for all blocks found in the next 5Nd which is currently ~8 days.

what do you mean by ramped up? because .0008 is considerably more than the .00015387 that I did get. I participated in each shift for the last block. below is what the reward screen shows me.


Block   Block UTC                   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range           Pool N Avg    Your %   Your N Diff    Your N Avg   Your BTC
543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs    0.00%   442.335M    2.55THs           0.00015387


and the shift screen shows sorry I know that it doesnt paste well:
Shift   Start UTC   Length   Your Diff   Inv Diff   Avg Hs   Shares   Avg Share   Rewards   Rewarded*   PPS%
awzno origami    Sep‑27 08:05:39   17m 10s   3.214M   36.243k   13.40THs   266   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awzkn nodoka   Sep‑27 07:14:08   51m 31s   10.414M   36.243k   14.47THs   862   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awzdm mutsumi   Sep‑27 06:24:17   49m 51s   9.351M   60.405k   13.43THs   774   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awz7r lucy   Sep‑27 05:33:55   50m 22s   9.011M   27.162k   12.81THs   816   11,042.32   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyzu kosaki   Sep‑27 04:44:34   49m 21s   6.616M   8.196k   9.60THs   700   9,451.04   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyu3 juvia   Sep‑27 03:54:19   50m 15s   9.231M   0   13.15THs   715   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyo6 ichiko   Sep‑27 03:04:04   50m 15s   9.515M   12.910k   13.55THs   737   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyga hitagi   Sep‑27 02:11:33   52m 31s   9.476M   12.910k   12.92THs   734   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awya5 gin   Sep‑27 01:21:19   50m 14s   10.147M   51.640k   14.46THs   786   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awy4a frey   Sep‑27 00:31:04   50m 15s   8.882M   169.426k   12.65THs   828   10,726.77   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxwc elen   Sep‑26 23:39:08   51m 56s   9.958M   35.229k   13.72THs   848   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxq9 daisy   Sep‑26 22:49:25   49m 43s   9.782M   23.486k   14.08THs   833   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxjf charlotte   Sep‑26 21:56:57   52m 28s   9.242M   0   12.61THs   787   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxca belldandy   Sep‑26 21:05:43   51m 14s   9.852M   23.486k   13.77THs   839   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awx6b ako   Sep‑26 20:15:18   50m 25s   8.913M   35.229k   12.65THs   759   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwyd zekken   Sep‑26 19:26:11   49m 7s   9.641M   0   14.05THs   821   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwsn yuno   Sep‑26 18:34:38   51m 33s   10.310M   0   14.32THs   878   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwmk xenovia   Sep‑26 17:44:04   50m 33s   9.770M   35.229k   13.83THs   832   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awweo wakaba   Sep‑26 16:51:32   52m 33s   10.486M   0   14.29THs   893   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
aww8h valentina   Sep‑26 15:59:54   51m 38s   10.404M   0   14.42THs   886   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
aww2f ur   Sep‑26 15:08:01   51m 53s   9.688M   11.743k   13.37THs   825   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awvuc tenshi   Sep‑26 14:18:06   49m 55s   9.911M   35.229k   14.21THs   844   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%

If you had been ramped up, the last block would have been around 0.0008732.  If you want to see what you would have made with your miners, you can plug in your hash rates at https://minergain.com/?btcstats.  I am not sure if minergain is tracking your current pool.  Be aware that I have a bug where the slush blocks are not always subtracting the 2% pool fees but kano always is removing the .9%. The pool fees being subtracted from the block is deep in my monitoring code so a little tricky to find.

So for Kano, a single S9 would have received around 0.0199557, 0.0141996 for slush and 0.0150200 for viabtc.  After removing some additional fees for slush due to my bug (and viabtc is new, so maybe there too), this month definitely was higher.  Obviously the small pool allows us to be much higher and much lower in a month.  Fortunately we are nowhere near as small as we were 6 months ago where we were about 1/4 the size (and really big payouts).

great i see we found another block! the second one in 3 days. I am using only one s9 at 13.5 th/s in this pool and for the most recent block my reward was .00015387. I want to stay in this pool but i am not sure it would be profitable vs other pools as in other pools my block reward is about .00004 per s9 and getting on average of 10 blocks per day so that would be .0004 on average per day per miner. without 4 blocks a day on average I dont see how I can make the same as the other pools i belong to - and i have my s9's spread out as I am participating in 5-6 pools at a time.

am I looking at this wrong? is there higher profits in a small pool or a in a large pool? I get that the rewards are less frequent but larger and the latest reward was close to 4 times what the other pool is paying per block, the difference is the other pool is finding 10+ blocks per day so I am getting more rewards, although smaller. I see this is the 23rd block in the month, if i had been here the entire month, those rewards would be approx the same as about 100 block rewards on the other pool - but in the same time period with the other pool, I might have 230 block rewards. so seems like it is only half as profitable here for me --- at least with 1 miner.

I may need to bring over all my miners to be a larger % to make it worthwhile.

Yep, my favorite way to start each day!

I love waking up to a sub-100% diff block!

Today's gonna be a good day.

Block! yea    this is 23rd block in Sep, and 4 days left to go     great luck.

Block! by Canaan 

yes, but as I was not there for the full 70 some odd hours (not in the beginning) my share of shares is lower percentage wise than it would have been had I been mining the full time, right? either way, my miner has been connected for all the shifts since last block found and will remain so until the next block is found. we can go from there.

Yep the thing to remember is the PPLNS here N=5Nd

That's also explained on Help->Payouts on the web site.

The most relevant part to your 'hope' is:
"The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share."

So when you stop mining you will still have rewards due in the 5Nd of blocks after you stop.

This diagram might also help:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.26608107

just started with kano pool almost 48 hours ago with just 1 of my miners to test the waters - we hit a block after around 70 hours, as I was not there for all the shifts I expect that is why my payout was so low - in other pools this one miner would have made 10x the amount in 2 days. I am hoping that with participation in all the shifts for the next block that I will earn a higher reward to make it worthwhile. If I do well enough here, I will bring my other asics over.

anyways, I just wanted to say hello and hoping this pool works out good for me!

Great work, great pool!

Done at 01:00:01 UTC

All NYA miners have switched to the new node now.

Mine on!