Topic: Key Points about the Jewish religion - page 6. (Read 4268 times)

Quote from: umair127 on August 09, 2014, 06:38:24 AM

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Quote from: sana8410 on August 08, 2014, 12:52:02 PM

sounds to me like this G-d you speak of is limited .

But if G-d had a son and became a man, then he would be limiting himself to human form. G-d is everywhere at once. He does not limit himself by becoming a human.

wait now you are saying something different. you said before that he CANNOT take a human form, but now you say that he DOES NOT take a human form. Which is it.

It would limit God if he stopped being God and became a man, but I don't understand how having a son who is a man would limit God.

He does not take a human form. He does not wish to limit himself. In the Christian teaching, G-d becomes Man when he becomes Jesus. So G-d having a son limits Him as He becomes a Man. Also, having a son in general limits G-d because He created all of Humankind. To have only one son shows that he is limited like a Human father. That is why G-d does not have a son.

No.How much more bullshit are you going to post?

I am sorry if I was wrong.

But let's say Jesus was not G-d in the flesh. Let's say Jesus is the son of G-d. Then that still limits G-d as he created all of humankind. He does not choose to have a son as he does not want to limit himself the way a human father limits himself.

Explaining the holy Trinity to you would probably only take about 2000 years. I'm not up for it. But let's just say God did not become a man, Jesus was the son of God and was also god.

Alright. I am arguing this from a Jewish perspective, you see.

G-d never becomes human or projects himself through a human directly. There are prophets and writings in the Tanakh as well as the Torah which G-d dictated through Moses. But G-d as a man or G-d having a son are all human traits which G-d does not show. The brilliance of G-d is that he created all of Humanity. He does not need to show a miracle birth. In fact, G-d tells us to repair the world through works. He tells us not to rely on miracles.

You can argue whatever you want from a Jewish perspective, and I'll read. But you went on to take a guess about the Christian perspective and got it entirely wrong. Stick to Judaism.

Jews believe some of the miracles in the Bible happened for G-d to show us his power and mercy, and some were metaphorical. But G-d does not allow one to depend on miracles. One must physically repair the world. The Jewish belief is the Messiah will be a descendant of King David. He will be a great military leader. He will unite the tribes of Israel. And he will be a great Torah scholar.

But, with all due respect, Jews and Christians do have their differences. And that is worth arguing because the Old Testament (Tanakh) came first. And that is what Christianity and Islam are based on.

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Quote from: umair127 on August 11, 2014, 04:32:39 AM

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Quote from: sana8410 on August 08, 2014, 12:52:02 PM

sounds to me like this G-d you speak of is limited .

But if G-d had a son and became a man, then he would be limiting himself to human form. G-d is everywhere at once. He does not limit himself by becoming a human.

wait now you are saying something different. you said before that he CANNOT take a human form, but now you say that he DOES NOT take a human form. Which is it.

It would limit God if he stopped being God and became a man, but I don't understand how having a son who is a man would limit God.

He does not take a human form. He does not wish to limit himself. In the Christian teaching, G-d becomes Man when he becomes Jesus. So G-d having a son limits Him as He becomes a Man. Also, having a son in general limits G-d because He created all of Humankind. To have only one son shows that he is limited like a Human father. That is why G-d does not have a son.

No.How much more bullshit are you going to post?

I am sorry if I was wrong.

But let's say Jesus was not G-d in the flesh. Let's say Jesus is the son of G-d. Then that still limits G-d as he created all of humankind. He does not choose to have a son as he does not want to limit himself the way a human father limits himself.

Explaining the holy Trinity to you would probably only take about 2000 years. I'm not up for it. But let's just say God did not become a man, Jesus was the son of God and was also god.

Alright. I am arguing this from a Jewish perspective, you see.

G-d never becomes human or projects himself through a human directly. There are prophets and writings in the Tanakh as well as the Torah which G-d dictated through Moses. But G-d as a man or G-d having a son are all human traits which G-d does not show. The brilliance of G-d is that he created all of Humanity. He does not need to show a miracle birth. In fact, G-d tells us to repair the world through works. He tells us not to rely on miracles.

You can argue whatever you want from a Jewish perspective, and I'll read. But you went on to take a guess about the Christian perspective and got it entirely wrong. Stick to Judaism.

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Let's say Jesus is the son of G-d. Then that still limits G-d as he created all of humankind. He does not choose to have a son as he does not want to limit himself the way a human father limits himself.

really, this is all such bullshit.

You keep repeating it would limit him without explaining why it would limit him. Just saying it would limit him is not explaining why there would be a limit. Having a son does not limit a father, and God having a son would not limit a god.

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Quote from: Rigon on August 09, 2014, 08:07:39 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 09, 2014, 07:09:43 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 09, 2014, 06:38:24 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 08, 2014, 12:55:57 PM

Quote from: sana8410 on August 08, 2014, 12:52:02 PM

sounds to me like this G-d you speak of is limited .

But if G-d had a son and became a man, then he would be limiting himself to human form. G-d is everywhere at once. He does not limit himself by becoming a human.

wait now you are saying something different. you said before that he CANNOT take a human form, but now you say that he DOES NOT take a human form. Which is it.

It would limit God if he stopped being God and became a man, but I don't understand how having a son who is a man would limit God.

He does not take a human form. He does not wish to limit himself. In the Christian teaching, G-d becomes Man when he becomes Jesus. So G-d having a son limits Him as He becomes a Man. Also, having a son in general limits G-d because He created all of Humankind. To have only one son shows that he is limited like a Human father. That is why G-d does not have a son.

No.How much more bullshit are you going to post?

I am sorry if I was wrong.

But let's say Jesus was not G-d in the flesh. Let's say Jesus is the son of G-d. Then that still limits G-d as he created all of humankind. He does not choose to have a son as he does not want to limit himself the way a human father limits himself.

Explaining the holy Trinity to you would probably only take about 2000 years. I'm not up for it. But let's just say God did not become a man, Jesus was the son of God and was also god.

Alright. I am arguing this from a Jewish perspective, you see.

G-d never becomes human or projects himself through a human directly. There are prophets and writings in the Tanakh as well as the Torah which G-d dictated through Moses. But G-d as a man or G-d having a son are all human traits which G-d does not show. The brilliance of G-d is that he created all of Humanity. He does not need to show a miracle birth. In fact, G-d tells us to repair the world through works. He tells us not to rely on miracles.

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Quote from: umair127 on August 09, 2014, 07:09:43 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 09, 2014, 06:38:24 AM

Quote from: umair127 on August 08, 2014, 12:55:57 PM

Quote from: sana8410 on August 08, 2014, 12:52:02 PM

sounds to me like this G-d you speak of is limited .

But if G-d had a son and became a man, then he would be limiting himself to human form. G-d is everywhere at once. He does not limit himself by becoming a human.

wait now you are saying something different. you said before that he CANNOT take a human form, but now you say that he DOES NOT take a human form. Which is it.

It would limit God if he stopped being God and became a man, but I don't understand how having a son who is a man would limit God.

He does not take a human form. He does not wish to limit himself. In the Christian teaching, G-d becomes Man when he becomes Jesus. So G-d having a son limits Him as He becomes a Man. Also, having a son in general limits G-d because He created all of Humankind. To have only one son shows that he is limited like a Human father. That is why G-d does not have a son.

No.How much more bullshit are you going to post?

I am sorry if I was wrong.

But let's say Jesus was not G-d in the flesh. Let's say Jesus is the son of G-d. Then that still limits G-d as he created all of humankind. He does not choose to have a son as he does not want to limit himself the way a human father limits himself.

Explaining the holy Trinity to you would probably only take about 2000 years. I'm not up for it. But let's just say God did not become a man, Jesus was the son of God and was also god.

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Quote from: umair127 on August 09, 2014, 07:09:43 AM

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