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Quote from: Pmalek on November 20, 2024, 08:38:20 AM

Quote from: andnapu on November 20, 2024, 08:27:16 AM

Despite Trezor being trustworthy, I don't want to rely solely on it. I have purchased a Keystone 3 Pro, and will store ETH along with my Trezor Safe 3.

That's completely normal, I understand that. It makes sense to spread out your coins and store them in batches using different hardware wallet brands. Too bad that you didn't wait a few more days to purchase your Keystone. Black Friday is coming up. Keystone's website is already advertising Black Friday deals starting from tomorrow. You could have saved some money.

Thanks for your help. It cost around $137 and just arrived today.
Now I have three hardware wallets, Trezor safe 3, Keystone 3 Pro, and Bitbox02. I use Trezor safe 3 and Keystone 3 Pro with the Metamask software to store altcoins, and use Trezor safe 3 and Bitbox02 with the Electrum software on a offline computer to operate BTC (this is already secure enough, so there's no need to use Electrum's multi-signature function).

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Quote from: andnapu on November 20, 2024, 08:27:16 AM

Despite Trezor being trustworthy, I don't want to rely solely on it. I have purchased a Keystone 3 Pro, and will store ETH along with my Trezor Safe 3.

That's completely normal, I understand that. It makes sense to spread out your coins and store them in batches using different hardware wallet brands. Too bad that you didn't wait a few more days to purchase your Keystone. Black Friday is coming up. Keystone's website is already advertising Black Friday deals starting from tomorrow. You could have saved some money.

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Quote from: Pmalek on November 19, 2024, 10:52:34 AM

... I am sure there are security experts who have vetted Keystone and its products, and you will need to trust that they did a good job. It probably hasn't been put under the miscroscope as close as Trezor, for example...

Despite Trezor being trustworthy, I don't want to rely solely on it. I have purchased a Keystone 3 Pro, and will store ETH along with my Trezor Safe 3. This will help diversify risks. Keystone uses QR codes, which feels more secure than USB.

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Quote from: andnapu on November 17, 2024, 05:00:11 AM

WalletScrutiny has successfully verified Keystone 3 Pro for six times. Now is it safe enough? See https://walletscrutiny.com/hardware/keystone3.pro/#resultsArchive

What does verification procedures show is that the code used for the wallet is public, it can be built from source, and the binaries match the published source code on GitHub. Like you said, Keystone 3 passed those tests six times.

But Wallet Scrutiny does not audit the code for bugs and vulnerabilities. A wallet that passes all audits can still be malicious. I am not saying it is, just that it can in theory. I am sure there are security experts who have vetted Keystone and its products, and you will need to trust that they did a good job. It probably hasn't been put under the miscroscope as close as Trezor, for example. That isn't necessarily a negative thing.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 11, 2023, 04:51:50 PM

I would be interested to read that blog post, and I know WalletScrutiny could not verify source code for older version but that was one year ago.
This is not the first time I saw companies from China doing modification on source codes like this.

WalletScrutiny has successfully verified Keystone 3 Pro for six times. Now is it safe enough? See https://walletscrutiny.com/hardware/keystone3.pro/#resultsArchive

I want to buy a Keystone, just for use with Metamask and to store altcoins, like ETH, Sol, USDT, USDC.
Considering that they only communicate through QR codes, and the firmware of Keystone and the Metamask app are both open-source, and come from different companies, wouldn't that make it more secure?

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Quote from: DaveF on March 17, 2024, 08:32:38 AM

Yup, I just (As in yesterday) have had the battery in my 3 die.

You are not the only one with this problem, I heard many complains from their customers that batteries in Keystone 3 are much worse quality than in older Keystone.
That can be a problem with many new Lithium batteries, if you don't use them all the time (charge/discharge) they quickly become unusable.
It's not complicated to buy new one, but problem is that it is hard to replace the battery without triggering Keystone self-destruct mechanism Tongue

Quote from: DaveF on March 17, 2024, 08:32:38 AM

Can't anyone make anything that is not crap anymore.

They can, but it would be much more expensive and not made in China.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on March 12, 2024, 11:48:54 AM

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I hoped they would release different new device with removable battery before halving, but I don't think that is happening now.

Yup, I just (As in yesterday) have had the battery in my 3 die.

When it was dead yesterday I figured it just needed a charge. 2 chargers and 2 different USB cables 24 hours later it's still just as dead.

I can run it off a USB cable to power it, but the battery is stuck at 0% and will not charge Sad

Can't anyone make anything that is not crap anymore.

-Dave

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Quote from: DaveF on March 12, 2024, 06:53:20 AM

Also, keep in mind this firmware has more limited wallet support options.

I already mentioned those supported wallets above Wink

This is more than Keystone bitcoin wallets supported in multi-coin firmware, now Nunchuk and Specter are added.
I hoped they would release different new device with removable battery before halving, but I don't think that is happening now.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on March 12, 2024, 05:28:39 AM

Keystone just released a new beta version of Bitcoin-Only Firmware for Keystone 3 Pro wallet, with bitcoin main network and testnet.
Note that once you switch to bitcoin-only firmware it is going to be impossible to revert back to the multi-currency firmware.
Supported wallets are Blue wallet, Sparrow, Nunchuck and Specter wallet.

New firmware can be download from official website and code can be verified on Keystone github:
https://keyst.one/firmware?ft=btc-only
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/releases/tag/0.9.0-BTC

Also, keep in mind this firmware has more limited wallet support options.

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Blue, Sparrow, Nunchuck and Specter

It's not like their current multi coin firmware that has a lot more that you can use.

Not incredibly important, but I can see someone not reading down to see that line.

-Dave

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Keystone just released a new beta version of Bitcoin-Only Firmware for Keystone 3 Pro wallet, with bitcoin main network and testnet.
Note that once you switch to bitcoin-only firmware it is going to be impossible to revert back to the multi-currency firmware.
Supported wallets are Blue wallet, Sparrow, Nunchuck and Specter wallet.

New firmware can be download from official website and code can be verified on Keystone github:
https://keyst.one/firmware?ft=btc-only
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/releases/tag/0.9.0-BTC

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 28, 2024, 02:57:44 PM

Totally stupid in my opinion... now they are offering ''Bull market return'' discount Roll Eyes

Tomorrow, we should have a discount because we are sad bitcoin didn't go above $65.000 yet.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 28, 2024, 02:57:44 PM

Something is not really a discount if you are offering it all the time.... just sayin.

Of course, not. They just want to sell more devices, no matter what. But yeah, it would look much better if they jut offered a discount code for the next week/month/custom period of their choice, instead of using a new one every day.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 28, 2024, 02:57:44 PM

Check out this video of Keystone device entering passphrase on it's own!
https://twitter.com/SaintelDaily/status/1757028148212793654

I have never seen that before. The guy says the device clicks on random areas on his screen no matter what he does on it, which hinders normal usage of the wallet.

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 25, 2024, 04:02:09 AM

And today is 25 February, which means Lightning Pizza Day.

Totally stupid in my opinion... now they are offering ''Bull market return'' discount Roll Eyes

Something is not really a discount if you are offering it all the time.... just sayin.

Another weird thing coming from Keystone is their weak quality control, and I noticed similar stuff like this several times.
Check out this video of Keystone device entering passphrase on it's own!
https://twitter.com/SaintelDaily/status/1757028148212793654

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Quote from: m2017 on February 25, 2024, 08:15:06 AM

It’s funny (not for Ledger) that the Keystone team gives an excellent reason to get rid of ledger devices. An excellent ~~blow to a competitor~~ a marketing ploy (marketing department doesn't get its salary for nothing). Look, maybe this will become a new trend (giving discounts on HW products to former ledger customers).

You get to kill two birds with one stone (Keystone). You have an opportunity to onboard more users to your products and weaken the competition and have people abandon their devices at the same time. Ledger only have themselves to blame, of course. All this started after they announced Ledger Recover and made it available for the Nano X.

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 25, 2024, 04:02:09 AM

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 22, 2024, 12:15:49 PM

Keystone discounts are getting really silly... now they have 20% pet day sale Roll Eyes

And today is 25 February, which means Lightning Pizza Day. In other words, it's another opportunity to create a special 20% discount on new sales. It is getting ridiculous, but I like that they are giving new customers so many opportunities to purchase their products at discounted prices.

Let's not forget the lifelong 28% discount for Ledger users who decide to purchase a Keystone.

It’s funny (not for Ledger) that the Keystone team gives an excellent reason to get rid of ledger devices. An excellent ~~blow to a competitor~~ a marketing ploy (marketing department doesn't get its salary for nothing). Look, maybe this will become a new trend (giving discounts on HW products to former ledger customers).

Many users on the forum voiced their desire to replace their Nano S / S+/ X with another one. Keystone provides this opportunity.

It should be added that to receive a discount, will need to provide proof of Ledger's purchase to [email protected] (they will provide a discount code).

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 22, 2024, 12:15:49 PM

Keystone discounts are getting really silly... now they have 20% pet day sale Roll Eyes

And today is 25 February, which means Lightning Pizza Day. In other words, it's another opportunity to create a special 20% discount on new sales. It is getting ridiculous, but I like that they are giving new customers so many opportunities to purchase their products at discounted prices.

Let's not forget the lifelong 28% discount for Ledger users who decide to purchase a Keystone.

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Guys from Keystone released a new Roadmap page on their website, so we can see what they are working on.
They are accepting suggestions and that is always good, but we can see that full support for Taproot is finally coming in February with some other updates.
More important updates in Q1 2024 are support for formatting SD cards and XPUB export/display.
No words about Bitcoin only device like I was expecting Tongue

https://keyst.one/roadmap

Keystone discounts are getting really silly... now they have 20% pet day sale Roll Eyes

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Quote from: SFR10 on January 30, 2024, 05:34:26 PM

I'm wondering if that finally means it's the end of the road for the non-Pro variant ^{[they're already way behind schedule]}.

No I don't think so, but they should reduce the price of keystone regular version to around $80, similar like Trezor 3 Safe and ledger s plus.
Keystone Bitcoin only version device is just a special edition for halving event, I just hope they are going to add removable battery again in that model.
Maybe Trezor and other manufacturers will do something similar... I can't remember if they did special editions for previous halving(s).

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Quote from: dkbit98 on January 30, 2024, 02:39:28 PM

Keystone should rename and rebrand to Discount hardware wallet... they are offering reduced prices all the time Wink

Exactly, that's been their marketing strategy for as long as I can remember, and if they keep doing it, sooner or later it'd have a reverse effect on how people see their brand as a whole.

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 30, 2024, 02:39:28 PM

Interesting for all ledger users who want to make a transition and buy keystone wallet they have lifetime 28% discount if they have prrof of purchased ledger!

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/30/kgwO1.jpeg

A cheeky move, but I love it Cheesy

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 30, 2024, 02:39:28 PM

They are preparing release of Bitcoin only Keystone device around Bitcoin halving, that should be in few months probably.

I'm wondering if that finally means it's the end of the road for the non-Pro variant ^{[they're already way behind schedule]}.

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Keystone should rename and rebrand to Discount hardware wallet... they are offering reduced prices all the time Wink

Interesting for all ledger users who want to make a transition and buy keystone wallet they have lifetime 28% discount if they have prrof of purchased ledger!

For everyone else Keystone is currently offering special 26% discount for their 6th anniversary, and price for Keystone 3 Pro is now around $95 with free shipping for most countries:

https://keyst.one/

Quote from: SFR10 on January 26, 2024, 08:38:31 AM

September of last year[/url]", they still haven't released Keystone 3 and the Pro variant only comes with a "multi-coin firmware".
^{- Am I missing something here?}

They are preparing release of Bitcoin only Keystone device around Bitcoin halving, that should be in few months probably.

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Quote from: safar1980 on January 26, 2024, 03:39:28 AM

Why does Keystone 3 only have Bitcoin firmware?

AFAIK, despite their plans to bring it to the market in "September of last year", they still haven't released Keystone 3 and the Pro variant only comes with a "multi-coin firmware".
^{- Am I missing something here?}

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