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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 27, 2023, 03:23:30 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 27, 2023, 12:08:34 PM

Trezor T does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here

I would bt blindly< trust any ratings, but I did heard that Keystone wallet have very bad customer support, I think this is typical for most products based in China.

Yes.. Athena provides their methodology - and that is part of the reason that I included that link, so that anyone could see how they say that they reach their numbers, whether you agree with their methodology or their criteria or their rating or not.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 26, 2023, 04:22:16 AM

I think the Seedsigner should still be considered as experimental software and hardware. It's created by a small team of enthusiasts.

Same like bitcoin... still experimental.
Hardware is far from experimental, it's battle tested well known Rasoberry Pi Zero that is used.

Quote from: safar1980 on December 27, 2023, 05:22:09 AM

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.

You can't expect them to run all shitcoin nodes out there.
I think new Trezor 3 Safe added support for solana, but I prefer using bitcoin only firmware.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 27, 2023, 12:08:34 PM

Trezor T does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here

I would not blindly trust any ratings, but I did heard that Keystone wallet have very bad customer support, I think this is typical for most products based in China.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 27, 2023, 05:22:09 AM

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 26, 2023, 05:19:30 AM

But Trezor One supports few coins.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.
https://trezor.io/coins
Their blog talks about ten years of experience, but they cannot solve problems with memory, which is now inexpensive. If you compare the expensive Trezor T with the Keystone 3 Pro, then I don’t understand why the Trezor T costs $180.

I would not claim to know the answer to your questions about cost differentiation, yet so far Trezor has been able to charge premium prices.

Trezor T does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here: https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/ and you can look at methodology here. https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/rating-methodology/

You can compare features here:
https://thebitcoinhole.com/hardware-wallets
(filter by name and just look at those two wallets side by side - and maybe include any other HW that you want to compare the features side by side)

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 27, 2023, 04:25:31 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 26, 2023, 05:19:30 AM

But Trezor One supports few coins.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.
https://trezor.io/coins
Their blog talks about ten years of experience, but they cannot solve problems with memory, which is now inexpensive. If you compare the expensive Trezor T with the Keystone 3 Pro, then I don’t understand why the Trezor T costs $180.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 26, 2023, 05:19:30 AM

But Trezor One supports few coins.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 25, 2023, 02:47:45 PM

First time I see this, but I saw many other trezor one clones.
You can easily make your own Seedsigner and Krux wallets.
They are one of the best available DIY airgapped devices available right now.

This is a small startup from Russia, and they do not have the resources to issue many wallets for Russian clients. There are no new wallets for sale yet. But Trezor One supports few coins.
But now you can buy good multi-currency wallets for 100 dollars, so such startups will be little known.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 25, 2023, 02:47:45 PM

First time I see this, but I saw many other trezor one clones.
You can easily make your own Seedsigner and Krux wallets.
They are one of the best available DIY airgapped devices available right now.

It's also possible to purchase a fully assembled Seedsigner for $80, unless the price changed recently. It's a great price for a Bitcoin signing device. The only issue for those who want an assembled unit is that they are shipped from the US. That would add quite a lot on the final price.

Not sure what to think of the Seedsigner to be honest. Its creator is an ex-US government employee. He worked in the computer forensics department.

I think the Seedsigner should still be considered as experimental software and hardware. It's created by a small team of enthusiasts.

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Quote from: SFR10 on December 21, 2023, 05:54:29 PM

One less secure element ^{[or rather an MCU]} chip on the Keystone 3 ^{[2 vs 3 on the Pro version]}.
No biometric authentication feature on the Keystone 3.

_Source

Correct.
It should be noted that few days ago they released new version of firmware 1.2.4 with open-source code verification of firmware.
However, I didn't see any confirmation for this on WalletScrutiny website so far, but their code was audited by Slowmist.
few weeks ago
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/releases

Firmware Checksum Verification can easily be done:
https://guide.keyst.one/docs/firmware-checksum

And they posted Comprehensive Guide to Building and Verifying Keystone3 Firmware:
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/blob/release/v1.2.4/docs/verify.md

Quote from: satscraper on December 23, 2023, 04:58:47 AM

Yeah, $160 is the hell of price for Keystone 3. For Russian people the better and at the same time more affordable opt would be to spend $ 74.90 for AirGap Knox , download free AirGap Vault&AirGap Wallet and turn their Android +10 smartphone into airgapped device with the security which at least is not worse than security held out promises by Keystone 3 HW.

I see they are sponsored by Tezos and bunch of other shitcoin companies.
Doesn't look good to me, and android phones can never be safe enough, unless you physically remove antennas and modes.

Quote from: safar1980 on December 25, 2023, 05:20:09 AM

"E4pizor is a hardware wallet assembled by the e4pool.com crypto team, which is a complete analogue of the original Trezor One wallet, which initially has open source firmware distributed along with layouts of printed circuit boards, cases, etc. by the company itself, the creator of the Trezor wallet - SatoshiLabs under free licenses."

First time I see this, but I saw many other trezor one clones.
You can easily make your own Seedsigner and Krux wallets.
They are one of the best available DIY airgapped devices available right now.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 24, 2023, 03:14:23 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 23, 2023, 02:05:21 PM

In Russia you can buy this wallet cheaper, but I don’t want to risk it for 30-40 dollars. The owner of the sunscrypt store is known in Russia as a good cryptocurrency security specialist.

Good call. It's not worth it. If you can't get it from the official shop, at least buy one from a member of their resellers network. Anything other than that is just adding additional risk and increasing the possibility that someone manipulated the wallet somewhere along the supply chain.

On a different note, is there currently any hardware wallet brand that delivers to Russia directly from their official online shop that you know of?

The keystone 3 pro wallet has many degrees of protection, even after using the original wallet.
Will this authorization before use protect the buyer from counterfeiting?

Russia has its own hardware wallets that you can assemble yourself.

"E4pizor is a hardware wallet assembled by the e4pool.com crypto team, which is a complete analogue of the original Trezor One wallet, which initially has open source firmware distributed along with layouts of printed circuit boards, cases, etc. by the company itself, the creator of the Trezor wallet - SatoshiLabs under free licenses."
https://e4pizor.com/

cost 40 dollars

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 23, 2023, 02:05:21 PM

In Russia you can buy this wallet cheaper, but I don’t want to risk it for 30-40 dollars. The owner of the sunscrypt store is known in Russia as a good cryptocurrency security specialist.

Good call. It's not worth it. If you can't get it from the official shop, at least buy one from a member of their resellers network. Anything other than that is just adding additional risk and increasing the possibility that someone manipulated the wallet somewhere along the supply chain.

On a different note, is there currently any hardware wallet brand that delivers to Russia directly from their official online shop that you know of?

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 23, 2023, 03:08:51 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 09:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

In Russia you can buy this wallet cheaper, but I don’t want to risk it for 30-40 dollars. The owner of the sunscrypt store is known in Russia as a good cryptocurrency security specialist.

Quote from: satscraper on December 23, 2023, 04:58:47 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on December 23, 2023, 03:08:51 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 09:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

Yeah, $160 is the hell of price for Keystone 3. For Russian people the better and at the same time more affordable opt would be to spend $ 74.90 for AirGap Knox , download free AirGap Vault&AirGap Wallet and turn their Android +10 smartphone into airgapped device with the security which at least is not worse than security held out promises by Keystone 3 HW.

I want to buy security, not just a wallet. I think this is a small price to pay for a product that works out of the box.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 23, 2023, 03:08:51 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 09:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

Yeah, $160 is the hell of price for Keystone 3. For Russian people the better and at the same time more affordable opt would be to spend $ 74.90 for AirGap Knox , download free AirGap Vault&AirGap Wallet and turn their Android +10 smartphone into airgapped device with the security which at least is not worse than security held out promises by Keystone 3 HW.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 09:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 21, 2023, 10:38:06 AM

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Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?

Sparrow for desktop and BlueWallet for mobile devices, this should work fine with Keystone3 for Bitcoin:
https://keyst.one/supported-wallets-and-assets

Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 04:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

There is no removable battery option in any Keystone 3 model, but I am sure battery won't run out for years.
Keystone 3 only is not available, and Pro version is now on 25% discount ^{(price is $97)}, so it doesn't make sense to wait for regular Keystone 3.

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
I have a ledger, and I liked that the wallet has a code verification that it is an original product.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 04:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

Since we now have maxirosson on the forum and active in the hardware wallet sub, you can also do your comparisons using his site. He created 49 Hardware Wallets, compared feature by feature. The Bitcoin Hole has information on dozens of hardware wallets, both current and depreciated models. There is also a software wallet comparison on his page where you can check the features of Sparrow vs Blue Wallet and several other software wallets.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 04:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery?

As previously mentioned by @dkbit98, neither of them comes with a removable battery, but here are a couple of differences between the two:

One less secure element ^{[or rather an MCU]} chip on the Keystone 3 ^{[2 vs 3 on the Pro version]}.
No biometric authentication feature on the Keystone 3.

_Source

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 04:15:51 AM

Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?

Sparrow for desktop and BlueWallet for mobile devices, this should work fine with Keystone3 for Bitcoin:
https://keyst.one/supported-wallets-and-assets

Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 04:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

There is no removable battery option in any Keystone 3 model, but I am sure battery won't run out for years.
Keystone 3 only is not available, and Pro version is now on 25% discount ^{(price is $97)}, so it doesn't make sense to wait for regular Keystone 3.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 04:15:51 AM

Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?

I like to use Sparrow with the Foundation Passport wallets; it should support all Keystone wallets, too.

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Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?
Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

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If you have the older version of the wallet you can get a 40% (50% if you ordered your Gen 2 after June 1st) discount on a Gen3
https://guide.keyst.one/docs/special-discounts
It's a bit better then the Black Friday deal they have going at the moment, no idea if Cyber Monday will be better or not.

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