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Quote from: Pmalek on December 23, 2023, 04:08:51 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 10:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

In Russia you can buy this wallet cheaper, but I don’t want to risk it for 30-40 dollars. The owner of the sunscrypt store is known in Russia as a good cryptocurrency security specialist.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 23, 2023, 04:08:51 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 10:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

Yeah, $160 is the hell of price for Keystone 3. For Russian people the better and at the same time more affordable opt would be to spend $ 74.90 for AirGap Knox , download free AirGap Vault&AirGap Wallet and turn their Android +10 smartphone into airgapped device with the security which at least is not worse than security held out promises by Keystone 3 HW.

I want to buy security, not just a wallet. I think this is a small price to pay for a product that works out of the box.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 23, 2023, 04:08:51 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 10:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

Yeah, $160 is the hell of price for Keystone 3. For Russian people the better and at the same time more affordable opt would be to spend $ 74.90 for AirGap Knox , download free AirGap Vault&AirGap Wallet and turn their Android +10 smartphone into airgapped device with the security which at least is not worse than security held out promises by Keystone 3 HW.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 22, 2023, 10:59:50 AM

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

Sunscrypt is an official reseller of Keystone hardware wallets and I assume it's the same for many other HW brands, as there are a lot of them in the catalogue. But damn, they are quite expensive, considering the device is currently available for less than $97 + free shipping to many locations. The HW costs almost 15,000 RUB (over $160). I guess you didn't have much of a choice because the official shop doesn't ship to Russia. One alternative could have been having it delivered to a friend or family somewhere in the EU and then have them bring it/ship it to you later on.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 21, 2023, 11:38:06 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?

Sparrow for desktop and BlueWallet for mobile devices, this should work fine with Keystone3 for Bitcoin:
https://keyst.one/supported-wallets-and-assets

Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

There is no removable battery option in any Keystone 3 model, but I am sure battery won't run out for years.
Keystone 3 only is not available, and Pro version is now on 25% discount ^{(price is $97)}, so it doesn't make sense to wait for regular Keystone 3.

Thanks for the advice. I paid $160 to a trusted seller in Russia, but I will receive this wallet in a few days.
I have a ledger, and I liked that the wallet has a code verification that it is an original product.
https://sunscrypt.ru/catalog/keystone/keystone-3-pro/

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

Since we now have maxirosson on the forum and active in the hardware wallet sub, you can also do your comparisons using his site. He created 49 Hardware Wallets, compared feature by feature. The Bitcoin Hole has information on dozens of hardware wallets, both current and depreciated models. There is also a software wallet comparison on his page where you can check the features of Sparrow vs Blue Wallet and several other software wallets.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery?

As previously mentioned by @dkbit98, neither of them comes with a removable battery, but here are a couple of differences between the two:

One less secure element ^{[or rather an MCU]} chip on the Keystone 3 ^{[2 vs 3 on the Pro version]}.
No biometric authentication feature on the Keystone 3.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?

Sparrow for desktop and BlueWallet for mobile devices, this should work fine with Keystone3 for Bitcoin:
https://keyst.one/supported-wallets-and-assets

Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

There is no removable battery option in any Keystone 3 model, but I am sure battery won't run out for years.
Keystone 3 only is not available, and Pro version is now on 25% discount ^{(price is $97)}, so it doesn't make sense to wait for regular Keystone 3.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 21, 2023, 05:15:51 AM

Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?

I like to use Sparrow with the Foundation Passport wallets; it should support all Keystone wallets, too.

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Which well-known software wallet for Bitcoin is better to use Keystone 3 Pro for UTXO control?
Does Keystone Pro differ from Keystone 3 only in that it has a removable battery? If the 2032 battery runs out, does the physical tamper protection not work?

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If you have the older version of the wallet you can get a 40% (50% if you ordered your Gen 2 after June 1st) discount on a Gen3
https://guide.keyst.one/docs/special-discounts
It's a bit better then the Black Friday deal they have going at the moment, no idea if Cyber Monday will be better or not.

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Quote from: Meuserna on November 07, 2023, 09:46:55 PM

To sign a message, try again with Electrum. Their UI is clunky, but I'm 99% sure you can sign a message in Electrum even using an airgapped device, but figuring out how is buried in the UI.

When I read the release notes for Sparrow 1.8.0 stating that it allows signing messages via QR code I was happy to have a solution, but when I try my Keystone just says "Invalid QR Code".

Haven't figured out how to sign via QR code on Electrum. It worked with my BitBox but I wanted an airgapped solution.
Any ideas?

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Quote from: SFR10 on November 11, 2023, 02:41:56 AM

To those who might be interested in getting the Pro version, there's a "Black Friday sale ^{[up to 37% off]}" and although their tweet has December 11 as its end date, on their "shop" it's showing it'll end in 2 days ^{[perhaps they're planning to reduce its percentage every few days]}.

Nice discount from Keystone, but maybe it's not a bad idea to wait for few more weeks to see what other hardware wallet manufacturers are offering.
Black Friday this year is on November 24 and discounts will probably continue until Cyber Monday.

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Quote from: SFR10 on November 11, 2023, 02:41:56 AM

To those who might be interested in getting the Pro version, there's a "Black Friday sale ^{[up to 37% off]}" and although their tweet has December 11 as its end date, on their "shop" it's showing it'll end in 2 days ^{[perhaps they're planning to reduce its percentage every few days]}.

To be honest, I had been wondering if I could buy a Keystone hardware wallet for myself. When I started researching them, I found their firmware was still closed source, even though they claimed it was an open-source hardware wallet. Actually, their hardware wallet design caught my attention. I really like it, specifically their biometric authentication system. Their display looks really good if you compare it with any other hardware wallet. But the closed-source firmware broke my hope, and I ordered a Trezor after considering many things. Because I have to make sure security is provided for my funds. Anyway, each individual's needs are different, so some others would be interested in their wallet.

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To those who might be interested in getting the Pro version, there's a "Black Friday sale ^{[up to 37% off]}" and although their tweet has December 11 as its end date, on their "shop" it's showing it'll end in 2 days ^{[perhaps they're planning to reduce its percentage every few days]}.

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Quote from: DaveF on November 08, 2023, 05:44:51 PM

But if you don't use the USB cable it's still airgapped. It just can be made not to be airgapped.

That would be the same thing as saying that laptop is still airgapped even if it has wifi card installed but you are not going to use it, someone else could still use it.
It's really simple, if there is an option to use a cable connection - most people will use it, so effectively they will made it not airgapped.
Keystone devs only did this change because lazy customers complained how slow it is to update firmware Roll Eyes

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Quote from: dkbit98 on November 07, 2023, 07:42:50 PM

Keystone added USB connection in model 3 so it's not really full airgapped device anymore, even if you can currently only use USB connection for updating firmware.

But if you don't use the USB cable it's still airgapped. It just can be made not to be airgapped.
Same as if I take my airgapped laptop, boot into the BIOS enable the network card and then plug in a Cat-5 cable.

Up until that moment it WAS airgapped.

Splitting hairs I know, and it's best to make sure people can't do something stupid (because they will) but probably not that big a deal with all the other issues out there.

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EDIT: I'm a dummy. I thought you meant sign a transaction, not a message because I missed your previous comment higher up. To sign a message, try again with Electrum. Their UI is clunky, but I'm 99% sure you can sign a message in Electrum even using an airgapped device, but figuring out how is buried in the UI.

Here's my original comment.

Quote from: Ugali on November 07, 2023, 02:36:41 AM

As far as I can see Sparrow can't sign a message via an airgapped device either.

Sure it can. It works with airgapped wallets. I think the trick is to set up a Watch Only Wallet. In order to spend from a Watch Only Wallet, you'll use QR codes to communicate with your airgapped device.

The setup definitely could be more intuitive, but Sparrow seems like a really good choice. I like BlueWallet because it's more intuitive, but I might switch to Sparrow at some point.

Here's the info on Sparrow's website (I did a quick search).

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Quote from: Ugali on November 07, 2023, 02:36:41 AM

As far as I can see Sparrow can't sign a message via an airgapped device either.

Keystone added USB connection in model 3 so it's not really full airgapped device anymore, even if you can currently only use USB connection for updating firmware.

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As far as I can see Sparrow can't sign a message via an airgapped device either.
But I'll do some research.

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Quote from: Ugali on November 06, 2023, 07:10:14 AM

Any idea how to sign a message with Keystone 3 Pro?

I don't have Keystone 3 to test this, but maybe you can try signing a message using Sparrow wallet in combination with Keystone device:
https://sparrowwallet.com/

If this doens't work, try askiing for help from keystone team.

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