Topic: Keystone 3 HW coming soon! - page 6. (Read 1494 times)

No big reasons to upgrade anything if you already own Keystone wallet.
Advantage is that it's much harder to tamper with this new device and modify anything if you are a malicious actor, so it's not all black & white.
However, I would love to see Keystone 3 special separate wallet version with removable battery, and I don't think this would be a problem for Keystone team.
Right now I think OneKey Touch is the main competition for Keystone3, and OneKey is significantly smaller and lighter device that has the same size screen.

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A non-removable battery, and in addition a 2032 type battery that will fail sooner or later. I wouldn't recommend buying this wallet. For now I will use my Keystone pro.

First video review of the new Keystone 3 pro hardware wallet was released by MineYourBiz, and I recommend everyone to check it out.
It's interesting that you can see how this wallet works, but you will also see teardown and opening of device itself.
Note that this is not final product but it is very similar and internal components should be almost identical.


Source video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2igVmmRvdn0

The main difference I see here is much smaller battery that can't be removed/replaced without destroying the device, there is pros and cons with this, but I am personally not a fan of integrated batteries.
Size of Keystone3 is a bit smaller than in older Keystone wallets (103.9 x 62.44 x 12.08 mm vs 112 x 65 x 18 mm) and it has smoother edges, but size of the screen appears to be the same size.
Keystone will be adding USB and Bluetooth connection with PC in this model, and I think they are second hardware wallet after Cypherock X1 to add support for multiple seed phrases.
Overall it looks like interesting device but there are few things I don't like (integrated battery, bluetooth) and I will have to see the final price to say if this is worth or not.

Hi, we added Keystone 3 and Keystone 3 Pro to our website, where we compare more than 30 different hardware wallets: https://thebitcoinhole.com/
We tried to get all the available info about this new wallet. We will update the missing data as soon as more info is release by Keystone.

We also have this page where we compare Keystone 3 vs Keystone 3 Pro: https://thebitcoinhole.com/wallets/keystone-3-vs-keystone-3-pro

This is really interesting update from Keystone that is going to use three secure elements in their new device Keystone 3.
Coldcard Q1 announced they will use two secure elements, but Keystone has gone step further with adding one more.
I have to update my topic on secure elements in hardware wallets, and I have exact chip models from keystone3, but one of them is only used for securing fingerprint data in Pro version.
That means that Keystone 3 regular version will have two secure elements.

New article revealed from images for Keystone3 and I think it looks much better and slicker than all previous Keystone models.
They also claim that battery life is improved and it will last much longer, but I hope replacement would stay easy, not like with most modern smartphones.
Very important thing I am waiting to see is the price of Keystone3, and anything between 100 to 200 USD is acceptable for me.

As mentioned in their agenda, some of Secure Elements information has been released.
Secure Elements: The Bedrock of Hardware Wallet Security
https://blog.keyst.one/secure-elements-the-bedrock-of-hardware-wallet-security-1dd8cbdef461

Advanced Defenses of Secure Elements

• Fending off Side-Channel Attacks
• Hindering Power Analysis Attacks
• Thwarting Cold Boot Attacks
• Repelling Fault Attacks

It seems that there are promising things, but they remain promises unless we get an accurate review from a third party, such as hardware professionals, or those who succeeded in hacking some HW with physical access to the device.

Part of the cell phone looking reasons may just be cost.
There are a lot of cases, screens, PCBs, camera modules and so on that exist for the cell phone world.
If you don't have to engineer the case and screen and camera module from an already existing smart phone. And, look the battery fits in the same spot that it did in the phone too.
Then all you have to do is the actual hardware board and you're done, but with a lot less time and cost.

No idea if that is the reason but I see it as a possibility.

-Dave

The thing I like most about Keystone is its fully air-gapped (no WiFi, BT, NFC, 3G/4G, etc.) approach. Even to update the firmware, you have to use an SD card, and you can't do it via cable. So, even if some stupid executive at the top of the company hierarchy decided at some point to follow the Ledger route, they wouldn't be able to do it with the current hardware.

They have developed an open QR code standard for interacting with wallet and signing transactions, which is starting to be accepted by almost all software wallet developers. I like their "sign only what you see" attitude and using QR codes is exactly what we need for a cold wallet. Of course, this has its drawbacks because the wallet must have a camera and a screen with a sufficiently high resolution, but I think it's a good compromise between security and usability.

I hope they won't go the ledger route, and try to mess around with Recovery features and direct connection with exchanges that could reduce privacy.
Partnership could mean that OKX will offer co-branded Keystone devices, and last information I got is that Keystone will offer co-branding for their new device (like other hardware wallets are doing already).

Maybe it looks like a smartphone from a far, but when you take it in hands you will notice much smaller size.

Oh they changed plans many times since then
Last thing I heard is that Keystone 3 will be used for Bitcoin and shitcoins, and they will create different model of hardware wallet only for Bitcoin support.

I expected to see the Cyberpunk version of the wallet that CEO Lixin promised to release in 2022 - 2023. This version was intended for advanced users who will be able to independently compile the firmware from open source and install it on the wallet.
Perhaps this version will be released as a variant of Keystone 3 if they haven't changed their plans.

Keystone 3 HW with OKX partnership after some days of OKX new KYC restrictions. I hope it will be something useful.

The reason for this is that they want it to be an Airgapped HW, where all you need is an app on your phone and scan the HW QR to broadcast the transaction, there are no connections with your computer, all you need is to charge it.
in Ledger you need to connect it to your PC.

The large size comes from the battery and some parts such as the camera and SD card port, so it looks like smart phone.

There is a little bit more information in this blog post they released yesterday:
https://blog.keyst.one/paving-the-way-for-a-secure-web3-future-the-forthcoming-launch-of-keystone-3-62b8dc4810d0
Most of it, though, is about them telling the world why they are the best.

There is this close up of the upcoming Keystone 3, which really resembles a smartphone.


They have also released a timeline showing when more information about the upcoming product is supposed to become available. Most of it will be revealed by the end of the month.

I did a quick duck-duck-a-go'in on the Keystone 3 as that pic you posted makes it look very much like a smartphone, and though I didn't find a better image I was zoning out and wondering if form factors of HW wallets follow any trends like cellphones did.  Many of you brilliantly brainiac youngsters might not have seen the evolution first-hand, but cellphones started out big and got progressively smaller (ending with some variation of the Razr I think) until smartphones just took over the world everywhere, all at once.  Those began small and then started getting much bigger as time went on.

And all of that blabbering is to say that I'm wondering if new HW wallets are being designed to look like modern day smartphones and breaking away from the "tiny device" form factor (Ledger, Blockstream Jade, Keepkey).  I know not all of them are, because there are a lot that mimic credit cards but it's got my mind....jigglin' like jelly.

Probably so far off topic that my above thoughts will get this post deleted, but I just want to say that I like the smaller HW wallets for the simple fact that they're easier to conceal if need be.  If you've got one the size of a standard smartphone, it's not exactly inconspicuous--plus I'd think that they'd be more prone to damage from dropping or some other form of damage to the screen.

Also:  You said you don't endorse the Keystone 3, dkbit98, and this time around I don't even need to heed your disclaimer.  After Ledger's little lie, I consider all hardware wallets to be collectibles only.  Fool me once, shame on me (in this case, because I was warned).  Fool me twice....ain't gonna happen.

I heard about this news few months ago but I had to wait for official announcement, now it's here, new Keystone 3 hardware wallet is coming soon!

Anyone can join the waitlist with promotional discount price by posting on Keystone twitter page, and you can find that link Join Waitlist on their website.

What we know Keystone 3 so far?

Not much, but based on twitter posts and other information from Keystone team we know that new device will be redesigned and much thinner than in older models.

We don't know anything about the price and other changes compared to current Keystone wallets, but they are mentioning some new Security Schemes that will be revealed in few days.

I tried talking with Keystone team several times to find out more but communication on their end is very bad


https://keyst.one/

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This topic will be used for posting any news and updates about new Keystone 3 device.

Note that I am not supporting Keystone wallet in any way, and you should do your own research for everything.