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Quote from: safar1980 on January 18, 2024, 05:04:12 PM

Keystone added seed phrase generation to the wallet using dice.

This is a very good thing coming from Keystone, especially since they finally recently released their open source code for Keystone 3.
I would suggest purchasing casino grade dices instead of regular ones, they are not that much expensive and they are ten times better.
Note that this dices can be used to generate seed words even without Keystone Wink

I am waiting to see Keystone new Bitcoin only hardware wallet that was announced to be released around bitcoin halving date, and I hope it's not the same as Keystone 3 with different firmware.
I want to see removable battery back, and maybe adding protection for screen with basic waterproofing.

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Quote from: safar1980 on January 18, 2024, 05:04:12 PM

...Keystone added seed phrase generation to the wallet using dice....

That was the last firmware update.
They have a new one that just came out today

https://keyst.one/firmware <-- Don't trust links verify for yourself.

Fixed / tweaked a few other things too.

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Quote from: safar1980 on January 18, 2024, 05:04:12 PM

For verification, you can use Open Source software to make sure that the wallet does not replace data.
https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

You should only enter your seed on Ian Coleman's tool to test if the wallet generates the same addresses as what you are getting from the hardware device. Never enter your actual seed phrase into Ian Coleman, especially not on an internet-connected computer. The Ian Coleman tool should be used on an airgapped system. If you don't have that, never enter sensitive data into your browser.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 29, 2023, 08:57:15 AM

@safar1980
Nevertheless, it's still a closed-source product, and it relies on you trusting them not to do anything nasty.
The QR code is only one segment. You have no idea how safe their seed-generation system is, and no one does because there is no way to check it.

Keystone added seed phrase generation to the wallet using dice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qn9fR43yCE

For verification, you can use Open Source software to make sure that the wallet does not replace data.
https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

Keystone works with verified third-party wallets and we can decode QR codes.
With the new firmware, this wallet looks very secure, and if you additionally use a passphrase, this will be a very good method of protection.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 29, 2023, 08:57:15 AM

@safar1980
Nevertheless, it's still a closed-source product, and it relies on you trusting them not to do anything nasty.
The QR code is only one segment. You have no idea how safe their seed-generation system is, and no one does because there is no way to check it.

you are right, but in this wallet 2 security chips are responsible for generating the seed phrase.

I have a 15-25% discount coupon,which was in the box with the wallet, but I can't use it in my country. If you need it, write to me. I'll give the coupon to the first person to write.

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@safar1980
Nevertheless, it's still a closed-source product, and it relies on you trusting them not to do anything nasty.
The QR code is only one segment. You have no idea how safe their seed-generation system is, and no one does because there is no way to check it.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 28, 2023, 07:08:15 AM

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Ledger being close-sourced means that no one has any idea about what the company can or can't do. But it's the same thing with Keystone. Their promises of doing this or that is the same as Ledger promising to make more of their software open-source without anything actually happening.

The Ledger wallet connects to the computer via cable or Bluetooth, and we do not know what data the wallet transmits.
At Keystone, we can decode the QR code and see what data the wallet transmits. I read this in the chat of Vladimir Abovyan, who owns the sunscrypt store. He uses this wallet himself.

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Ledger being close-sourced means that no one has any idea about what the company can or can't do. But it's the same thing with Keystone. Their promises of doing this or that is the same as Ledger promising to make more of their software open-source without anything actually happening.

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 27, 2023, 01:08:34 PM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 27, 2023, 06:22:09 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on December 27, 2023, 05:25:31 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 26, 2023, 06:19:30 AM

But Trezor One supports few coins.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.
https://trezor.io/coins
Their blog talks about ten years of experience, but they cannot solve problems with memory, which is now inexpensive. If you compare the expensive Trezor T with the Keystone 3 Pro, then I don’t understand why the Trezor T costs $180.

I would not claim to know the answer to your questions about cost differentiation, yet so far Trezor has been able to charge premium prices.

Trezor T does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here: https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/ and you can look at methodology here. https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/rating-methodology/

You can compare features here:
https://thebitcoinhole.com/hardware-wallets
(filter by name and just look at those two wallets side by side - and maybe include any other HW that you want to compare the features side by side)

You provided good links.
But the rating of this site is not authoritative for me, because Keystone 3 pro and Nano X have the same ratings, although there have been many rumors that the ledger can steal users’ private keys and has the ability to transfer seed phrases to cloud storage.
For Keystone 3 pro, the team promised to make it possible to decode QR codes in the old version of the wallet, so that the user would be confident in the safety of his keys.

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Yeah, not having Tron is a big drawback, especially for those who are dealing with stablecoins like tether, which is very popular on the Tron network.

The Trezor T has always been too expensive, even now on a discount. But Keystone isn't open-source and they couldn't prove that they are. To many, that's a deal breaker. The Keystone, though, has a much better display.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 27, 2023, 04:23:30 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 27, 2023, 01:08:34 PM

Trezor T does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here

I would bt blindly< trust any ratings, but I did heard that Keystone wallet have very bad customer support, I think this is typical for most products based in China.

Yes.. Athena provides their methodology - and that is part of the reason that I included that link, so that anyone could see how they say that they reach their numbers, whether you agree with their methodology or their criteria or their rating or not.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 26, 2023, 05:22:16 AM

I think the Seedsigner should still be considered as experimental software and hardware. It's created by a small team of enthusiasts.

Same like bitcoin... still experimental.
Hardware is far from experimental, it's battle tested well known Rasoberry Pi Zero that is used.

Quote from: safar1980 on December 27, 2023, 06:22:09 AM

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.

You can't expect them to run all shitcoin nodes out there.
I think new Trezor 3 Safe added support for solana, but I prefer using bitcoin only firmware.

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 27, 2023, 01:08:34 PM

Trezor T does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here

I would not blindly trust any ratings, but I did heard that Keystone wallet have very bad customer support, I think this is typical for most products based in China.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 27, 2023, 06:22:09 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on December 27, 2023, 05:25:31 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 26, 2023, 06:19:30 AM

But Trezor One supports few coins.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.
https://trezor.io/coins
Their blog talks about ten years of experience, but they cannot solve problems with memory, which is now inexpensive. If you compare the expensive Trezor T with the Keystone 3 Pro, then I don’t understand why the Trezor T costs $180.

I would not claim to know the answer to your questions about cost differentiation, yet so far Trezor has been able to charge premium prices.

Trezor T does have a higher rating of 4.3 as compared with Keystone's 3.4 here: https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/ and you can look at methodology here. https://www.athena-alpha.com/crypto-wallets/rating-methodology/

You can compare features here:
https://thebitcoinhole.com/hardware-wallets
(filter by name and just look at those two wallets side by side - and maybe include any other HW that you want to compare the features side by side)

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 27, 2023, 05:25:31 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 26, 2023, 06:19:30 AM

But Trezor One supports few coins.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

Solana, Polkadot, Toncoin are not available. But this is not such a problem as Tron support.
https://trezor.io/coins
Their blog talks about ten years of experience, but they cannot solve problems with memory, which is now inexpensive. If you compare the expensive Trezor T with the Keystone 3 Pro, then I don’t understand why the Trezor T costs $180.

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 26, 2023, 06:19:30 AM

But Trezor One supports few coins.

I think it supports plenty of what deserves to be supported. There is a lot of garbage that lacks support. It's too bad that you can't use Monero on the Trezor One model. If it wasn't for the hardware limitations, the team would have added it. I think it's a problem of too little RAM.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 25, 2023, 03:47:45 PM

First time I see this, but I saw many other trezor one clones.
You can easily make your own Seedsigner and Krux wallets.
They are one of the best available DIY airgapped devices available right now.

This is a small startup from Russia, and they do not have the resources to issue many wallets for Russian clients. There are no new wallets for sale yet. But Trezor One supports few coins.
But now you can buy good multi-currency wallets for 100 dollars, so such startups will be little known.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on December 25, 2023, 03:47:45 PM

First time I see this, but I saw many other trezor one clones.
You can easily make your own Seedsigner and Krux wallets.
They are one of the best available DIY airgapped devices available right now.

It's also possible to purchase a fully assembled Seedsigner for $80, unless the price changed recently. It's a great price for a Bitcoin signing device. The only issue for those who want an assembled unit is that they are shipped from the US. That would add quite a lot on the final price.

Not sure what to think of the Seedsigner to be honest. Its creator is an ex-US government employee. He worked in the computer forensics department.

I think the Seedsigner should still be considered as experimental software and hardware. It's created by a small team of enthusiasts.

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Quote from: SFR10 on December 21, 2023, 06:54:29 PM

One less secure element ^{[or rather an MCU]} chip on the Keystone 3 ^{[2 vs 3 on the Pro version]}.
No biometric authentication feature on the Keystone 3.

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Correct.
It should be noted that few days ago they released new version of firmware 1.2.4 with open-source code verification of firmware.
However, I didn't see any confirmation for this on WalletScrutiny website so far, but their code was audited by Slowmist.
few weeks ago
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/releases

Firmware Checksum Verification can easily be done:
https://guide.keyst.one/docs/firmware-checksum

And they posted Comprehensive Guide to Building and Verifying Keystone3 Firmware:
https://github.com/KeystoneHQ/keystone3-firmware/blob/release/v1.2.4/docs/verify.md

Quote from: satscraper on December 23, 2023, 05:58:47 AM

Yeah, $160 is the hell of price for Keystone 3. For Russian people the better and at the same time more affordable opt would be to spend $ 74.90 for AirGap Knox , download free AirGap Vault&AirGap Wallet and turn their Android +10 smartphone into airgapped device with the security which at least is not worse than security held out promises by Keystone 3 HW.

I see they are sponsored by Tezos and bunch of other shitcoin companies.
Doesn't look good to me, and android phones can never be safe enough, unless you physically remove antennas and modes.

Quote from: safar1980 on December 25, 2023, 06:20:09 AM

"E4pizor is a hardware wallet assembled by the e4pool.com crypto team, which is a complete analogue of the original Trezor One wallet, which initially has open source firmware distributed along with layouts of printed circuit boards, cases, etc. by the company itself, the creator of the Trezor wallet - SatoshiLabs under free licenses."

First time I see this, but I saw many other trezor one clones.
You can easily make your own Seedsigner and Krux wallets.
They are one of the best available DIY airgapped devices available right now.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 24, 2023, 04:14:23 AM

Quote from: safar1980 on December 23, 2023, 03:05:21 PM

In Russia you can buy this wallet cheaper, but I don’t want to risk it for 30-40 dollars. The owner of the sunscrypt store is known in Russia as a good cryptocurrency security specialist.

Good call. It's not worth it. If you can't get it from the official shop, at least buy one from a member of their resellers network. Anything other than that is just adding additional risk and increasing the possibility that someone manipulated the wallet somewhere along the supply chain.

On a different note, is there currently any hardware wallet brand that delivers to Russia directly from their official online shop that you know of?

The keystone 3 pro wallet has many degrees of protection, even after using the original wallet.
Will this authorization before use protect the buyer from counterfeiting?

Russia has its own hardware wallets that you can assemble yourself.

"E4pizor is a hardware wallet assembled by the e4pool.com crypto team, which is a complete analogue of the original Trezor One wallet, which initially has open source firmware distributed along with layouts of printed circuit boards, cases, etc. by the company itself, the creator of the Trezor wallet - SatoshiLabs under free licenses."
https://e4pizor.com/

cost 40 dollars

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Quote from: safar1980 on December 23, 2023, 03:05:21 PM

In Russia you can buy this wallet cheaper, but I don’t want to risk it for 30-40 dollars. The owner of the sunscrypt store is known in Russia as a good cryptocurrency security specialist.

Good call. It's not worth it. If you can't get it from the official shop, at least buy one from a member of their resellers network. Anything other than that is just adding additional risk and increasing the possibility that someone manipulated the wallet somewhere along the supply chain.

On a different note, is there currently any hardware wallet brand that delivers to Russia directly from their official online shop that you know of?

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