Topic: KYC casino or no-KYC casino, but with no bonuses/no cashback? - page 2. (Read 2059 times)

Quote from: sensimilia on July 15, 2022, 02:47:34 PM

To be honest I personally don't pay much attention to bonuses, maybe the first thing I thought was to avoid KYC as much as possible regardless of the bonus amount they offered to exchange my ID card pic.

It's seems my thoughts are presented here . I'm also avoid those casino who required KYC verification in the beginning but it's ok when one person win a jackpot . But it's also a problem for the vpn users. But I think everyone should avoid those kinda casino who required kyc at the beginning because here is the chances of data stealing.

^ How about those casinos that did not require KYC at the beginning but a few months later they will announce that they implement KYC procedure?
All centralized platforms expect that there is KYC and we have nothing to do with that matter, all we have to do is read the ToS and find a review that they are legitimate. Because whether we like it or not, the time will come for all online gambling platforms will implement this KYC since they are all decentralized and there is nothing we can do.

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I'm also avoid those casino who required KYC verification in the beginning but it's ok when one person win a jackpot .
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But I think everyone should avoid those kinda casino who required kyc at the beginning because here is the chances of data stealing.

lol, kind of weird. "It's not good when casino asking me to KYC from the start, but it's ok when they force me to do this if I want to withdraw my money"

In my opinion it's the other way around: It's fine to know that they want KYC from you from the start, than to find it while you're with your money frozen.

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Quote from: rozak on July 15, 2022, 07:45:11 AM

To be honest I personally don't pay much attention to bonuses, maybe the first thing I thought was to avoid KYC as much as possible regardless of the bonus amount they offered to exchange my ID card pic.

It's seems my thoughts are presented here . I'm also avoid those casino who required KYC verification in the beginning but it's ok when one person win a jackpot . But it's also a problem for the vpn users. But I think everyone should avoid those kinda casino who required kyc at the beginning because here is the chances of data stealing.

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when you first register or create an account, you don't need KYC to make a deposit and start betting. but mostly need KYC when the account gets a big win. and will make a withdrawal.
including suspicious behavior in VPN use and IP address switching. it may require KYC for account recovery so it can be used for games again. I encountered this problem too when changing devices to open the casino and make withdrawals. KYC asked the casino for a security pretext.

I believe that if online casinos are planning efforts for KYC apart from deposit, withdrawal and bonus offers requirements, another attempt is to enforce requirements for VPN users and restrict access to some casino features if not completing KYC. However, online casino accounts have to verify KYC, ultimately many users are very disappointed because casinos have lowered the anonymity factor of users who don't want KYC.

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Quote from: Beparanf on July 15, 2022, 07:01:07 AM

Actually most of the trusted crypto casino doesn’t required KYC upfront during registration so you can eliminate it already as first criteria on choosing one but most of them ask it after you register and made deposit when you commit violation to there terms. Maybe you should look on that part.

Bonus is what makes crypto casino unique to each other since as I already explained above. Most of them didn’t require KYC as being crypto casino.

when you first register or create an account, you don't need KYC to make a deposit and start betting. but mostly need KYC when the account gets a big win. and will make a withdrawal.
including suspicious behavior in VPN use and IP address switching. it may require KYC for account recovery so it can be used for games again. I encountered this problem too when changing devices to open the casino and make withdrawals. KYC asked the casino for a security pretext.

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Quote from: Maslate on July 15, 2022, 06:57:02 AM

To be honest I personally don't pay much attention to bonuses, maybe the first thing I thought was to avoid KYC as much as possible regardless of the bonus amount they offered to exchange my ID card pic.

Same here, even if a gambling site has good bonuses but if it will require me to submit the documents for KYC, then that is not a good site for me. We are in the crypto world, so we should know what we are looking here, we like full privacy and that does should only mean no KYC.

Actually most of the trusted crypto casino doesn’t required KYC upfront during registration so you can eliminate it already as first criteria on choosing one but most of them ask it after you register and made deposit when you commit violation to there terms. Maybe you should look on that part.

Bonus is what makes crypto casino unique to each other since as I already explained above. Most of them didn’t require KYC as being crypto casino.

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To be honest I personally don't pay much attention to bonuses, maybe the first thing I thought was to avoid KYC as much as possible regardless of the bonus amount they offered to exchange my ID card pic.

Same here, even if a gambling site has good bonuses but if it will require me to submit the documents for KYC, then that is not a good site for me. We are in the crypto world, so we should know what we are looking here, we like full privacy and that does should only mean no KYC.

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To be honest I personally don't pay much attention to bonuses, maybe the first thing I thought was to avoid KYC as much as possible regardless of the bonus amount they offered to exchange my ID card pic.

Quote from: Betwrong on July 15, 2022, 05:01:53 AM

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and they required users to have KYC and pass documents proof.

I think you are wrong. No proof of any documents is required for lvl.1 at least (possibly) up to a certain amount of withdrawal. I prefer the way Roobet collects KYC (more precisely Australian regulatory policy). Basically (if it did) the authorities would only ask for collective data for all customers such as a list.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 13, 2022, 06:27:58 AM

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Well perhaps the same on Roobet.
I was there from the first launching on their website and join the signature campaign, they did not require KYC before but after they gained forum users' trust they changed -- and they required users to have KYC and pass documents proof. I think their strategy was right, from no KYC to becoming a KYC casino but first build your trust and reputation first before people trust your company.
Perhaps there is no wrong with KYC if we trust the gambling casino and already built their reputation --but on the new one, never.

Any casino have to become trusted and i think that they don`t need any KYC first time. But if they begin to use KYC later - it can become a problem - some gamblers can feel cheated and leave such casino.
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I just want to say a word in defense of Roobet here.

I'm sure it wasn't like, "Let's make them register and then ask for KYC later". The site itself doesn't need your personal data, and they would never ask for it themselves. But if at some point the authorities force them to gather KYC data from their users, being a licensed casino they simply have no choice.

This is probably true, they implemented the KYC requirement due to regulatory obligations. However, that still doesn't justify the way they did it. Roobet actively promoted itself as an anonymous casino, it was even highlighted in their ANN on this forum. And suddenly, out of the blue, they decided to force KYC requirements on all their customers. That was, in my opinion, wrong and immoral.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on July 14, 2022, 08:17:22 AM

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Well perhaps the same on Roobet.
I was there from the first launching on their website and join the signature campaign, they did not require KYC before but after they gained forum users' trust they changed -- and they required users to have KYC and pass documents proof. I think their strategy was right, from no KYC to becoming a KYC casino but first build your trust and reputation first before people trust your company.
Perhaps there is no wrong with KYC if we trust the gambling casino and already built their reputation --but on the new one, never.

Any casino have to become trusted and i think that they don`t need any KYC first time. But if they begin to use KYC later - it can become a problem - some gamblers can feel cheated and leave such casino.
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I just want to say a word in defense of Roobet here.

I'm sure it wasn't like, "Let's make them register and then ask for KYC later". The site itself doesn't need your personal data, and they would never ask for it themselves. But if at some point the authorities force them to gather KYC data from their users, being a licensed casino they simply have no choice.

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Not at all but for some suspicious accounts only, if you're not that of a huge gambler that deposits, withdraw or even got those huge wins that I think wouldn't arise on the casino. Sometimes they don't, other casinos tend to be harsh like freezing it and we've seen that countless times in the past, but yes they begins it by the usual strict monitoring but others tend not to.

To avoid casino suspicion, we better not use too big money, maybe under $50 is enough to have fun at gambling. But don't use $50 for one play because it will cause us to deposit money again if we want to play later. Also, if we win, the casino will probably watch us more closely, which can later trigger unwanted KYC.

Quote from: passwordnow on July 14, 2022, 05:24:56 PM

They've got their own purpose and no one can skip that, small or big time gamblers, we're all bound to do that if the casino feels that we have to be asked and that's what we don't like because we don't know when it's coming.

As long as we don't cross the limits set by the casino, it looks like our account will be safe and there is no need to do KYC unless the casino applies it randomly to all its member accounts. That will keep all member accounts from being watched by the casino. If that's the case, we can only wait but also look for other casinos that will not apply KYC or impose restrictions on their members.

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Quote from: delfastTions on July 14, 2022, 03:28:16 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on July 13, 2022, 05:28:58 PM

When do we say a few, how many that could be? We've seen those complaints from different casinos that they've been asked for a KYC when they're about to withdraw because they've been found on their accounts with some suspicious activities and that's what they're asked to do for them to be allowed for the withdrawal. If they will just do it once there for the release of their money, I think after going to another casino, that won't be a big matter to them anymore if asked again.

It just infuriates me that someone I don’t know there, who has nothing to do with me, demands that I introduce myself, and even send him a photo of documents. Sad

Therefore, I do not think that those who once passed KYC in a certain casino will continue to send their documents to everyone without any problems. And do not forget that any KYC always wastes our time, and this can be a long time if we also have to wait for confirmation.
Rubbish all the same, this KYC is an idiotic procedure invented by the American authorities.

What I meant to say is that you've done it once and if ever the new casino where you're playing recently asks you, you'll also comply especially if you've got your funds left. It's true that no one will have it to them being sent if there's no problem but, the actual problem can happen again that they'll ask for random verification and we can't do anything with that. You're right that majority of us don't really like it and we do comply just to take our money and then leave them forever.

Quote from: michellee on July 14, 2022, 05:19:57 AM

Yes, that's correct. Many gamblers are eventually asked to do KYC by the casino but those gamblers don't want to do it for various reasons. Maybe for small gamblers, that reason is acceptable because they really don't use big money. But if it's the big gamblers who win more money, maybe the casino wants to know who they really are so the casino asks them to KYC. Moreover, if they carry out suspicious activity, the casino will be more strict in monitoring it and may ask for a complete KYC.

They've got their own purpose and no one can skip that, small or big time gamblers, we're all bound to do that if the casino feels that we have to be asked and that's what we don't like because we don't know when it's coming.

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Quote from: michellee on July 14, 2022, 05:19:57 AM

Yes, that's correct. Many gamblers are eventually asked to do KYC by the casino but those gamblers don't want to do it for various reasons. Maybe for small gamblers, that reason is acceptable because they really don't use big money. But if it's the big gamblers who win more money, maybe the casino wants to know who they really are so the casino asks them to KYC. Moreover, if they carry out suspicious activity, the casino will be more strict in monitoring it and may ask for a complete KYC.

Not at all but for some suspicious accounts only, if you're not that of a huge gambler that deposits, withdraw or even got those huge wins that I think wouldn't arise on the casino. Sometimes they don't, other casinos tend to be harsh like freezing it and we've seen that countless times in the past, but yes they begins it by the usual strict monitoring but others tend not to.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 13, 2022, 05:28:58 PM

When do we say a few, how many that could be? We've seen those complaints from different casinos that they've been asked for a KYC when they're about to withdraw because they've been found on their accounts with some suspicious activities and that's what they're asked to do for them to be allowed for the withdrawal. If they will just do it once there for the release of their money, I think after going to another casino, that won't be a big matter to them anymore if asked again.

Yes, that's correct. Many gamblers are eventually asked to do KYC by the casino but those gamblers don't want to do it for various reasons. Maybe for small gamblers, that reason is acceptable because they really don't use big money. But if it's the big gamblers who win more money, maybe the casino wants to know who they really are so the casino asks them to KYC. Moreover, if they carry out suspicious activity, the casino will be more strict in monitoring it and may ask for a complete KYC.

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Quote from: passwordnow on July 13, 2022, 05:28:58 PM

When do we say a few, how many that could be? We've seen those complaints from different casinos that they've been asked for a KYC when they're about to withdraw because they've been found on their accounts with some suspicious activities and that's what they're asked to do for them to be allowed for the withdrawal. If they will just do it once there for the release of their money, I think after going to another casino, that won't be a big matter to them anymore if asked again.

It just infuriates me that someone I don’t know there, who has nothing to do with me, demands that I introduce myself, and even send him a photo of documents. Sad

Therefore, I do not think that those who once passed KYC in a certain casino will continue to send their documents to everyone without any problems. And do not forget that any KYC always wastes our time, and this can be a long time if we also have to wait for confirmation.
Rubbish all the same, this KYC is an idiotic procedure invented by the American authorities.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on July 12, 2022, 05:01:21 AM

KYC casino , this is safe and always friendly ,because if you are not hiding anything then there is nothing that will hinder you from laying with KYC complying.

Today, it looks normal to just pass on with a KYC from the casino where we're playing. But years ago, that was not really a thing and not acceptable for most users since we'll just defend about crypto = decentralization and there's no need for any KYC.
But nowadays, it's not a problem anymore and we do understand that the governments are the one that's requiring this to them and them, they're just passing it on customers.

If there's no other place that you could run then you would really be ending up on complying on whats been asked by these casinos.If they do require KYC then you have to comply on it before you can play but basing
up with the current market today then theres only a few who do imply kyc and the rest are still on that similar situation where you could just simply play without providing those details or simply still that anonymous.
I dont care about bonuses or cashbacks because we do know that they do really set out unrealistic kind of requirements for some gamblers to be successfully able to make profits with those bonuses.
If you are lucky enough then good but in most cases, people do lose all of their money before they could able to reach out such threshold or requirement.

When do we say a few, how many that could be? We've seen those complaints from different casinos that they've been asked for a KYC when they're about to withdraw because they've been found on their accounts with some suspicious activities and that's what they're asked to do for them to be allowed for the withdrawal. If they will just do it once there for the release of their money, I think after going to another casino, that won't be a big matter to them anymore if asked again.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 12, 2022, 06:06:40 AM

I believe, trusted old sites don't gather your personal identifiable information. They use third-party services for KYC, and not just any services, but trusted and reliable ones. There you are checked by robots, not by humans. All your data is encrypted, so even if a leakage happens, you are not in any danger.

But, of course, all this applies to you if you are a regular person, not some big money launderer. There are many thousands of blacklisted people, and what the robots are doing is they are checking whether or not you are in the list. If someone feels he/she can be in the list, then KYC can be a problem for them. For other people it's not.

So, answering the OP's question, I would rather register in a casino with KYC and added benefits than in a no-KYC-no-bonuses one.

Hhmm that's an interesting reply, thanks for that. Now I know the real purpose of kyc, and that is, like you said they check if we are among those who are blacklisted but if that is the only thing that they want on why we are required to do a kyc then there is no need for them to keep our kyc data's on their site but they can just delete it right after finding out the results.

I heard they will just store our kyc on a safe place and even if that was encrypted, a good hacker can still access it. People that submit a fake kyc has nothing to worry about. Yes a fake kyc can be possible because you said a kyc process are done by a robot and not by a human.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on July 12, 2022, 05:01:21 AM

KYC casino , this is safe and always friendly ,because if you are not hiding anything then there is nothing that will hinder you from laying with KYC complying.

I beg to disagree with your reasons about KYC casino, yes KYC is somehow acceptable especially if we are talking with those casinos that are reputable and trusted but even these casinos cannot guarantee our informations to be safe and it's not about that we hide something that we don't want them to know. You know, our personal informations could leak if those casinos will be hacked along the way.

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Quote from: Bitinity on July 13, 2022, 04:25:08 AM

Regulation and license are now the main enemy of the anonymity in crypto world. We cant avoid it,

Yes, we can not avoid it.
The way countries around the world are trying hard to regulate crypto we can understand that in the coming years, we will be forced to complete our KYC verification to use crypto-related services.

Quote from: Bitinity on July 13, 2022, 04:25:08 AM

Avoiding casinos that requires KYC in the beginning is fine but any casino with no KYC in the beginning may ask your document later.

True, I have seen many cases when the user tries to withdraw his winnings, he is asked to complete KYC for some reason.

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Quote from: |MINER| on July 13, 2022, 04:12:32 AM

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Well perhaps the same on Roobet.
I was there from the first launching on their website and join the signature campaign, they did not require KYC before but after they gained forum users' trust they changed -- and they required users to have KYC and pass documents proof. I think their strategy was right, from no KYC to becoming a KYC casino but first build your trust and reputation first before people trust your company.
Perhaps there is no wrong with KYC if we trust the gambling casino and already built their reputation --but on the new one, never.

Any casino have to become trusted and i think that they don`t need any KYC first time. But if they begin to use KYC later - it can become a problem - some gamblers can feel cheated and leave such casino.