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Quote from: justdimin on July 23, 2021, 02:48:41 PM

Barcelona is not even a great team with Messi, how the hell could they be great without him?

I hope I heard wrong. I have watched him play for Barcelona for the last 10 years. Messi is nothing to those who hate him and stand in the arm of a rival or otherwise, but Messi is a player who managed to elevate Barcelona's existence as a strong title contender after Ronaldinho left. Messi is Barcelona, and it's natural that if you don't like Barcelona then you're not a Messi fan either. I think if you are a neutral person in judging players then you will admit that Messi has contributed greatly to the glory of Barcelona in the last 10 years in all the competition they have participated in.

Mate, don't you think that the world still has great players willing to play for Barcelona? So Barcelona without Messi is still a rival team to Real Madrid, and both will always have their respective mainstay players every season.

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I support barcelona, but I don't take that to say barcelona rivals Real madrid aren't a good team, I think barcelona is an exciting team, and after a time watching past and present video, I think barcelona has to history lost exciting legend, but also so has the competition and Barcelona opponent then increased there performance.
I think pep ex barcelona coach would have won the champions league again if the game hasn't gotten more competition in underdogs.
Next season the La Liga would be played without some legend's that has graced our memories, like sergio ramos, but regardless it will continue, and I think Barcelona first and then the rest and the end of the tournament.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on July 23, 2021, 05:59:44 AM

What you say about Messi was true 5, maybe 6 years ago but not anymore. Barcelona's a great team with or without Messi and the more he ages, the more it's true.
On the other side of the discussion I wouldn't be so sure that Griezmann will play for Barcelona this season. Just today Barcelona president Joan Laporta has made it clear that the club are 'open to all offers' for Antoine Griezmann this summer. So that's it, Griezmann is done.

Barcelona is not even a great team with Messi, how the hell could they be great without him? I think your end result stays, because I do agree that Messi doesn't change Barcelona all that much anymore and any player that gets 50 million a year could be as highly contributing as Messi, even more, they could have gotten Haaland for that much money, just pay the dude 20-30 million a year instead of 50, and pay 200 million as transfer fee and you will break even in 10 years? You can even sell him later. Of course Barcelona doesn't have the money for it, but I just wanted to point out Messi doesn't worth 50 million he is getting but only gets it because of the legacy and loyalty thing that's it.

However even though I agree that Messi doesn't change Barcelona that much anymore, I just think what you are wrong is that they are great, they are not great with him or without him, so yeah he doesn't change a thing because they just suck.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on July 23, 2021, 05:50:45 AM

When Messi is in the squad, the players become dependent on him, if Messi performs well then the other players in the team are mentally energized and they can perform well too. But if Messi can't play well in a match, other players are also mentally broken so they can't play well.

I agree with you because Messi is one of those players who can make a difference for Barcelona almost every season. He is a player that the team and his teammates always rely on on the pitch so it's only natural that the players rely on him a lot. But in recent seasons, it seems that Barcelona are preparing to part with Messi and that is reflected in the pattern of play adopted by their current coach. Messi is still reliable, but it's not like it used to be.

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One of the things that I'm curious about in this season is how Luis Suarez will play. Despite he is 34, he had a great season and scored 21 goals in the La Liga. He did his job really well and contributed to the title at a high rate. I wonder if he will maintain his form in this season too. It looks like Suarez is really happy at Atletico and he is ready to do whatever the team need.

Suarez is an extraordinary player but to win La Liga again ATM has to win every single game. Last year Real Madrid and Barcelona lost many points easily vs weaker teams, I doubt this will be the case the next year especially for Barca, not sure about Madrid honestly.
I see some members saying Koeman isn't convincing. True partially, but no one can deny the improvement of Barcelona under his management, the team were almost near the relegation zone in the first games then after the change they were in the top places. I don't like Barca much but I voted for it this time to be the champion this season.

I expect Barcelona to be much more competitive this time. They have Aguero and Depay too now. And if they sign Messi again, they will have a great lineup for sure. This time they should play much better and put up a huge fight for the league title. And actually, my favorite team for the title in this season are Barcelona.

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Quote from: hd49728 on July 23, 2021, 10:35:15 AM

Messi can play well in next 2 to 3 seasons but he won't be able to carry Barcelona on his shoulders and bring them to win titles with his goals or assists. His contribution will be big as usual but the team have to work more and should not rely on Messi in important matches. He might score goals or make great assists to help Barcelona win matches but if the whole team always begin matches with dependent thought on Messi, they will end with defeats.

Yeah, they are relying too much on him and they need to take on some responsibilities and step up the game. I think there isn't a proper leader. Team is mostly with young or new players and haven't well adjusted. I wonder how Barca will be with all the new signings. Wijnaldum in mid would have been a strong character in mid but that didn't went through but still Aguero and Depay are good additions to the firepower and certainly gonna lift some work off the Messi's shoulders. They need a strong player in the mid but given the financial condition I don't think they are gonna find a good one even if they are considering that.

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On the other side of the discussion I wouldn't be so sure that Griezmann will play for Barcelona this season. Just today Barcelona president Joan Laporta has made it clear that the club are 'open to all offers' for Antoine Griezmann this summer. So that's it, Griezmann is done.

I do neither like nor hate Griezman but I think he should leave and find another club to revise his career. Staying in Barcelona will be wasteful for a few seasons when he is still young, before his thirties.

Griezmann is a good player but I think he is not well adjusted with the Barca style. His position has not been a fixed one and hence has been struggling. I also think he is also well off to other team. He still has potential but don't think Barca is a right team to develop. And with Depay being signed I don't think it is gonna be easy with keeping on his name in regular lineup.

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Quote from: Karartma1 on July 23, 2021, 05:59:44 AM

What you say about Messi was true 5, maybe 6 years ago but not anymore. Barcelona's a great team with or without Messi and the more he ages, the more it's true.

Messi can play well in next 2 to 3 seasons but he won't be able to carry Barcelona on his shoulders and bring them to win titles with his goals or assists. His contribution will be big as usual but the team have to work more and should not rely on Messi in important matches. He might score goals or make great assists to help Barcelona win matches but if the whole team always begin matches with dependent thought on Messi, they will end with defeats.

Quote from: Oneandpure on July 23, 2021, 10:06:10 AM

Pandemic make many club loss all income from supporter and they can't sell all ticket home and away match, I think good news for England team because the UK government have allow for all primer league team available watch by supporter will full capacity. Good news and make all match become interested with full supporter on stadium.

Next season, matches will be no longer hold in closed stadiums because the vaccination progress goes well around Europe. It is not enough to have good herd immunity but governments will allow opened stadiums for sport events. The effects from pandemic will be long lasting but at least clubs will gain more income than in the last 2 seasons.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on July 23, 2021, 10:06:10 AM

Pandemic make many club loss all income from supporter and they can't sell all ticket home and away match, I think good news for England team because the UK government have allow for all primer league team available watch by supporter will full capacity. Good news and make all match become interested with full supporter on stadium.

This pandemic has almost paralyzed all sectors of goods and services, especially at the beginning.

By the way, did you know the news said that Lionel Messi was willing to cut his salary? This big thing can actually be interpreted

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I think the net effect is magnified. If you have a $100M wage bill, and you suffer half losses from revenue, then you maybe have to let go of a few big stars to get back $50M. But if you have $2 billion on your payroll, finding players to sell or take wage cuts to make up 1 billion in this market? Totally not possible.

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Pandemic give bad effect many clubs right now not active when transfer window opening, only few club still exist to get new player with higher value like Manchester City and Paris Saint Germain, I see inactive on La Liga and Serie A team after many clubs not any budget to get new player with higher value, always waiting when player become free transfer to get their sign like Real Madrid with David Alaba and Barcelona with their player Depay and Kun Auero.

The trend actually started a little earlier than the pandemic, if you noticed, some of the big clubs began reducing their wage bills and opted to go for patient rebuilding with youth focus. Of course, some clubs like Arsenal started trying to catch up with spending and they now find out money doesn't guarantee anything (and the same as Barca for past 2/3 seaons heh).

Pandemic make many club loss all income from supporter and they can't sell all ticket home and away match, I think good news for England team because the UK government have allow for all primer league team available watch by supporter will full capacity. Good news and make all match become interested with full supporter on stadium.

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Quote from: Oneandpure on July 22, 2021, 10:05:35 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 22, 2021, 10:01:09 AM

I think the net effect is magnified. If you have a $100M wage bill, and you suffer half losses from revenue, then you maybe have to let go of a few big stars to get back $50M. But if you have $2 billion on your payroll, finding players to sell or take wage cuts to make up 1 billion in this market? Totally not possible.

Ask Barca:P

Pandemic give bad effect many clubs right now not active when transfer window opening, only few club still exist to get new player with higher value like Manchester City and Paris Saint Germain, I see inactive on La Liga and Serie A team after many clubs not any budget to get new player with higher value, always waiting when player become free transfer to get their sign like Real Madrid with David Alaba and Barcelona with their player Depay and Kun Auero.

The trend actually started a little earlier than the pandemic, if you noticed, some of the big clubs began reducing their wage bills and opted to go for patient rebuilding with youth focus. Of course, some clubs like Arsenal started trying to catch up with spending and they now find out money doesn't guarantee anything (and the same as Barca for past 2/3 seaons heh).

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What you say about Messi was true 5, maybe 6 years ago but not anymore. Barcelona's a great team with or without Messi and the more he ages, the more it's true.
On the other side of the discussion I wouldn't be so sure that Griezmann will play for Barcelona this season. Just today Barcelona president Joan Laporta has made it clear that the club are 'open to all offers' for Antoine Griezmann this summer. So that's it, Griezmann is done.

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Let's say that Barcelona signed Messi again. I wonder what the attacking trio will be in the starting eleven. If I were Barcelona's manager, I would prefer Griezmann - Aguero - Messi trio. This trio would be really deadly for their opponents. But there are also some rumours like Griezmann may leave the team and join Manchester City. But I think that it will not happen and he will stay.

Griezeman - Aguero - Messi or Depay - Aguero - Messi or Griezman - Aguero - Depay and Messi will play as an attacking midfielder. A play maker for Barcelona is what Messi does in recent seasons. Wit the appearance of Depay and Aguero, Messi can share his responsibility to other players and can play as more similar as a play maker.
I hope that Koeman will build up a new tactic for Barcelona and use Messi this way. It might help to avoid the overlap of positions between Messi and Griezman.
Midfield area will be reserved for Busquet, Messi and Pedri. Another version of Busquest - David - Iniesta. With Messi can score more goals than Xavi. Pedri is like Iniesta.

I would really like to see Messi playing as attacking midfielder. He played as right winger for some time and I don't think that he plays better like that. He should be the playmaker of the team. When he is, not only he but also the team start playing really great.

When Messi is in the squad, the players become dependent on him, if Messi performs well then the other players in the team are mentally energized and they can perform well too. But if Messi can't play well in a match, other players are also mentally broken so they can't play well.

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Quote from: MusaMohamed on July 22, 2021, 04:26:13 AM

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Let's say that Barcelona signed Messi again. I wonder what the attacking trio will be in the starting eleven. If I were Barcelona's manager, I would prefer Griezmann - Aguero - Messi trio. This trio would be really deadly for their opponents. But there are also some rumours like Griezmann may leave the team and join Manchester City. But I think that it will not happen and he will stay.

Griezeman - Aguero - Messi or Depay - Aguero - Messi or Griezman - Aguero - Depay and Messi will play as an attacking midfielder. A play maker for Barcelona is what Messi does in recent seasons. Wit the appearance of Depay and Aguero, Messi can share his responsibility to other players and can play as more similar as a play maker.

I hope that Koeman will build up a new tactic for Barcelona and use Messi this way. It might help to avoid the overlap of positions between Messi and Griezman.

Midfield area will be reserved for Busquet, Messi and Pedri. Another version of Busquest - David - Iniesta. With Messi can score more goals than Xavi. Pedri is like Iniesta.

I would really like to see Messi playing as attacking midfielder. He played as right winger for some time and I don't think that he plays better like that. He should be the playmaker of the team. When he is, not only he but also the team start playing really great.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on July 23, 2021, 01:19:58 AM

Yes, you are right. David Alaba can play at center-back and left-back, so the empty hole left by Sergio Ramos (as well as Varane who may also leave Real Madrid) will be occupied by David Alaba. Besides that, Real Madrid got Alaba on a free transfer, so Real Madrid should still have the money to buy another defender.

David Alaba can replace Ramos well but Real Madrid should not begin the new season with only Alaba as the only trusted and experienced central defender. If Varane leaves the club, they should sign with another central defender as fast as possible. It will give their defense system enough time to get familiarized with each other.

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There are rumors, if Carlo Ancelotti doesn't want many players in his team, then there will be a big sale from Real Madrid in this transfer window. Maybe from the sales fund, Real Madrid will sign 2-3 new players according to Ancelotti's list.

Probably sold players will be in midfield and attacking areas. Carlo Ancelotti usually does not require much with transfers and he does not feel albad to manage clubs with what he is given. He has good relations with Director boards or Presidents in club he works for.

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David Alaba can play well not only with left back but also he can plays as defender and I think is very good for Real Madrid because they always faced trouble with left back, some time Marcelo not have great performance and when Mendy injury can option to use Alaba as left back, but depend how Ancelotti will position giving to Alaba, defender or left back.

Yes, you are right. David Alaba can play at center-back and left-back, so the empty hole left by Sergio Ramos (as well as Varane who may also leave Real Madrid) will be occupied by David Alaba. Besides that, Real Madrid got Alaba on a free transfer, so Real Madrid should still have the money to buy another defender.

There are rumors, if Carlo Ancelotti doesn't want many players in his team, then there will be a big sale from Real Madrid in this transfer window. Maybe from the sales fund, Real Madrid will sign 2-3 new players according to Ancelotti's list.

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David Alaba was introduced at Real Madrid, I'm curious how it goes for him at Real after an eternity at Bayern. He gets another number like at Bayern and in the Austrian national team. I did not know why you can not have a number above 26 in the Spanish league? Is there a historical background or was that simply decided at some point?

I just saw the news, and I was a bit surprised by Alaba's decision to use Sergio Ramos' jersey number at Real Madrid, Alaba is a Left Defender/Winger while Sergio Ramos is a Central Defender Cheesy

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David Alaba can play well not only with left back but also he can plays as defender and I think is very good for Real Madrid because they always faced trouble with left back, some time Marcelo not have great performance and when Mendy injury can option to use Alaba as left back, but depend how Ancelotti will position giving to Alaba, defender or left back.

I think next season, we will often see Alaba in the center. On the left flank, besides Mendy and Marcelo, there is also Gutierrez. The problematic position in Real Madrid is the right edge of the defense. Carvajal is very traumatic and cannot get the optimal form. And Vasquez is unlikely to be able to play at a high level all the matches. Odrisola is not very effective and will most likely be sold or loaned.

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Quote from: Spack17 on July 22, 2021, 02:04:28 PM

One of the things that I'm curious about in this season is how Luis Suarez will play. Despite he is 34, he had a great season and scored 21 goals in the La Liga. He did his job really well and contributed to the title at a high rate. I wonder if he will maintain his form in this season too. It looks like Suarez is really happy at Atletico and he is ready to do whatever the team need.

We can't tell for sure. When he was still in Barcelona, despite the fact that he was contributing to team performance with some goals here and there, there was a big question on whether the fact that he has aged has affected his performance over the years. The answer is yes. But since he joined Madrid, he's been doing a lovely job which indicates that he's happy there. One thing I know for sure is that he's one of the key players for Madrid that you'd want to keep a close eye on this season. Though aged, he still has a lot in store.

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Quote from: snipie on July 22, 2021, 06:30:58 PM

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One of the things that I'm curious about in this season is how Luis Suarez will play. Despite he is 34, he had a great season and scored 21 goals in the La Liga. He did his job really well and contributed to the title at a high rate. I wonder if he will maintain his form in this season too. It looks like Suarez is really happy at Atletico and he is ready to do whatever the team need.

Suarez is an extraordinary player but to win La Liga again ATM has to win every single game. Last year Real Madrid and Barcelona lost many points easily vs weaker teams, I doubt this will be the case the next year especially for Barca, not sure about Madrid honestly.
I see some members saying Koeman isn't convincing. True partially, but no one can deny the improvement of Barcelona under his management, the team were almost near the relegation zone in the first games then after the change they were in the top places. I don't like Barca much but I voted for it this time to be the champion this season.

Right, Madrid and Barcelona last season was very bad at the start but in the end we can see, even these two teams make Atletico more concentrated on maintaining their top position. Therefore, with time to prepare for next season even better, then of course Barcelona under Koeman seems to promise a better game and strategy than before. Unlike Madrid with its new coach and some players leaving and getting older, I'm sure it will affect the performance of the players on the pitch so yes, maybe the title race will belong to Barcelona and Atletico.

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Quote from: MAAManda on July 22, 2021, 10:33:36 AM

I just saw the news, and I was a bit surprised by Alaba's decision to use Sergio Ramos' jersey number at Real Madrid, Alaba is a Left Defender/Winger while Sergio Ramos is a Central Defender Cheesy

The Question:
Why did David Alaba use Sergio Ramos' jersey number Huh

So I'm a little confused, why is real selling ramos and Varane (unofficial) and alaba is a left back. Would Alaba be good at centre-back? I don't think so. Varane seems to have to stay in Madrid. Regarding the jersey number, I don't mind it.

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