La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4083.

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Quote from: masulum on July 22, 2021, 02:41:13 AM

In football it's not just the star players that give the results, and as you mentioned, whether the koeman strategy matches the player's character or not, or the player is able or not to carry out the koeman strategy. This is the most important. Or, Koeman is able or not to recognize his players to make a good strategy.

Yep. To reach the best result, Koeman also has a big role, not only the players' quality.
That's why I said above that strategy chosen by the coach plays an important role. And also how Koeman's approach to motivate the mentality of all the players.

Quote from: masulum on July 22, 2021, 02:41:13 AM

Line by line, Barcelona might be better, but the result of the Barcelona match last season under Koeman was not so special, there are many things that have to be adjusted.

Unfortunately, what Koeman did in the last season was not satisfactory. However, since Barcelona keep him as the coach, it should have a strong reason. I believe Koeman has learned a big lesson previously. Barcelona management expects that Koeman can correct his mistake this season.

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Quote from: MusaMohamed on July 22, 2021, 01:53:35 AM

Real Madrid have a new stadium that is under construction so they have to spend fund for the new stadium. They don't get troubles like Arsenal and can make big transfers. At least they have to choose players carefully because they can not overpay like years ago.

Real Madrid don't have tradition to use old players and treat them well. They will hardly accept the rrleturn of Ronaldo. Moreover, Perez and Ronaldo have conflict before the transfer of Ronaldo to Juventus. He will not come back, he does not want and Perez does not want to see Ronaldo in the club again.

Ronaldo is not coming back that part is for sure, not only because Perez and Ronaldo are not in a good relationship as of right now, but also Real needs younger players, they are already getting older right now so I do not think that they really need any new players. At the end of the day we should be focusing more on the fact that they do not have the money for huge transfers this season for the first time in decades.

However they are handling this new stadium thing perfectly, thanks to pandemic there weren't that many fans in stands anyway, so now when everything gets back to normal they will have a huge new stadium that will make them earn so much more money.

Do not consider just how many seats available neither, like for example Golden State Warriors actually have less seats on their new stadium but can make about 3x more profit when maxed, all thanks to side incomes, same for Real. This is going to provide so much profit in the future for them, and a lot more new and better players.

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Quote from: MusaMohamed on July 22, 2021, 12:27:28 PM

Quote from: mv1986 on July 22, 2021, 10:58:47 AM

Even if Koeman finds a way to give Griezman the room he needs to enfold his potential, he isn't the Griezman he used to be at Atletico Madrid anymore. When he played for Atletico he was an absolute world class striker. His strength was that he almost never missed a chance. It was impressive how he kept his coolness again and again. When you watch him at Barcelona now all of that coolness is gone. He isn't even average more in my opinion.

He perhaps is not what he used to be in Atletico Madrid but the Euro shows that Griezie still has some excellent skills and it is just how comfortable and confident he can bring in matches.

Griezie can have bigger contributions than Dembele at least but I don't believe that he has ever felt comfortable in Barcelona. Whatever he said or whatever Barcelona tried to claim that they give him best conditions to play in Nou Camp. Conflict with Messi, as rumor is going. It is possible.

You bring up two very good examples: Griezman vs. Dembele. If Dembele were to deliver 100% of his best gameplay every game, I would say he is even stronger than Griezman. Dembele is an outstandingly strong player, he just can't deliver frequently. He often plays at 60 - 70%. Similar to Coutinho, such a great player, but he just can't decide games. Sure if Griezman gets back in shape he is amazing. He is even amazing in the air with his head. What made him exceptional was his chances to goals ratio. That just seems to be gone.

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One of the things that I'm curious about in this season is how Luis Suarez will play. Despite he is 34, he had a great season and scored 21 goals in the La Liga. He did his job really well and contributed to the title at a high rate. I wonder if he will maintain his form in this season too. It looks like Suarez is really happy at Atletico and he is ready to do whatever the team need.

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Quote from: mv1986 on July 22, 2021, 10:58:47 AM

Even if Koeman finds a way to give Griezman the room he needs to enfold his potential, he isn't the Griezman he used to be at Atletico Madrid anymore. When he played for Atletico he was an absolute world class striker. His strength was that he almost never missed a chance. It was impressive how he kept his coolness again and again. When you watch him at Barcelona now all of that coolness is gone. He isn't even average more in my opinion.

He perhaps is not what he used to be in Atletico Madrid but the Euro shows that Griezie still has some excellent skills and it is just how comfortable and confident he can bring in matches.

Griezie can have bigger contributions than Dembele at least but I don't believe that he has ever felt comfortable in Barcelona. Whatever he said or whatever Barcelona tried to claim that they give him best conditions to play in Nou Camp. Conflict with Messi, as rumor is going. It is possible.

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Quote from: MAAManda on July 22, 2021, 10:33:36 AM

Quote from: Koal-84 on July 22, 2021, 10:07:38 AM

David Alaba was introduced at Real Madrid, I'm curious how it goes for him at Real after an eternity at Bayern. He gets another number like at Bayern and in the Austrian national team. I did not know why you can not have a number above 26 in the Spanish league? Is there a historical background or was that simply decided at some point?

I just saw the news, and I was a bit surprised by Alaba's decision to use Sergio Ramos' jersey number at Real Madrid, Alaba is a Left Defender/Winger while Sergio Ramos is a Central Defender Cheesy

The Question:
Why did David Alaba use Sergio Ramos' jersey number Huh

Exactly, he chose the number of Sergio Ramos, he is following in big footsteps and he has a pressure with this number from the beginning.

As I said, I only heard that in Spain there is no number over 25. At Bayern he had the number 27, which is therefore not possible, and the number 8 of the national team is already taken, what other numbers would have been free at Real. With such a large squad, the choice will be small?

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Quote from: MusaMohamed on July 22, 2021, 04:26:13 AM

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Let's say that Barcelona signed Messi again. I wonder what the attacking trio will be in the starting eleven. If I were Barcelona's manager, I would prefer Griezmann - Aguero - Messi trio. This trio would be really deadly for their opponents. But there are also some rumours like Griezmann may leave the team and join Manchester City. But I think that it will not happen and he will stay.

Griezeman - Aguero - Messi or Depay - Aguero - Messi or Griezman - Aguero - Depay and Messi will play as an attacking midfielder. A play maker for Barcelona is what Messi does in recent seasons. Wit the appearance of Depay and Aguero, Messi can share his responsibility to other players and can play as more similar as a play maker.

I hope that Koeman will build up a new tactic for Barcelona and use Messi this way. It might help to avoid the overlap of positions between Messi and Griezman.

Midfield area will be reserved for Busquet, Messi and Pedri. Another version of Busquest - David - Iniesta. With Messi can score more goals than Xavi. Pedri is like Iniesta.

Even if Koeman finds a way to give Griezman the room he needs to enfold his potential, he isn't the Griezman he used to be at Atletico Madrid anymore. When he played for Atletico he was an absolute world class striker. His strength was that he almost never missed a chance. It was impressive how he kept his coolness again and again. When you watch him at Barcelona now all of that coolness is gone. He isn't even average more in my opinion.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on July 22, 2021, 10:07:38 AM

David Alaba was introduced at Real Madrid, I'm curious how it goes for him at Real after an eternity at Bayern. He gets another number like at Bayern and in the Austrian national team. I did not know why you can not have a number above 26 in the Spanish league? Is there a historical background or was that simply decided at some point?

I just saw the news, and I was a bit surprised by Alaba's decision to use Sergio Ramos' jersey number at Real Madrid, Alaba is a Left Defender/Winger while Sergio Ramos is a Central Defender Cheesy

The Question:
Why did David Alaba use Sergio Ramos' jersey number Huh

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Fresh Copa América winner Rodrigo de Paul has now taken a one-way ticket to Madrid, as he'll move to Atlético until 2026. The Colchoneros have finalized the purchase of the Argentine with Udinese, where the italian team will collect 35 million euros from the deal. Never had the Friulani managed to get such a high figure from a transfer, not even when they released Márcio Amoroso for Parma or Alexis Sánchez for Barça.
And now, after a week according to Transfermarkt, Rodrigo's current value is already 40 million. Not bad.

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David Alaba was introduced at Real Madrid, I'm curious how it goes for him at Real after an eternity at Bayern. He gets another number like at Bayern and in the Austrian national team. I did not know why you can not have a number above 25 in the Spanish league? Is there a historical background or was that simply decided at some point?

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Quote from: slaman29 on July 22, 2021, 10:01:09 AM

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Quote from: slaman29 on July 21, 2021, 07:58:04 AM

Time to see the new teams with solid foundations rise, and let the giants learn their lessons.

If under the pressure of a pandemic the giants are capable of breaking down, then what will happen to the clubs that do not have such big finances? I do not think that someone else will be able to fight for the championship in the Spanish championship, except for Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid.

I think the net effect is magnified. If you have a $100M wage bill, and you suffer half losses from revenue, then you maybe have to let go of a few big stars to get back $50M. But if you have $2 billion on your payroll, finding players to sell or take wage cuts to make up 1 billion in this market? Totally not possible.

Ask Barca:P

Pandemic give bad effect many clubs right now not active when transfer window opening, only few club still exist to get new player with higher value like Manchester City and Paris Saint Germain, I see inactive on La Liga and Serie A team after many clubs not any budget to get new player with higher value, always waiting when player become free transfer to get their sign like Real Madrid with David Alaba and Barcelona with their player Depay and Kun Auero.

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Quote from: Altryist on July 21, 2021, 08:38:40 AM

Quote from: slaman29 on July 21, 2021, 07:58:04 AM

Time to see the new teams with solid foundations rise, and let the giants learn their lessons.

If under the pressure of a pandemic the giants are capable of breaking down, then what will happen to the clubs that do not have such big finances? I do not think that someone else will be able to fight for the championship in the Spanish championship, except for Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid.

I think the net effect is magnified. If you have a $100M wage bill, and you suffer half losses from revenue, then you maybe have to let go of a few big stars to get back $50M. But if you have $2 billion on your payroll, finding players to sell or take wage cuts to make up 1 billion in this market? Totally not possible.

Ask Barca:P

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 22, 2021, 05:34:04 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 21, 2021, 05:20:07 AM

According to AS, Manchester Utd are really close to ending Varane deal in a few days successfully.
~snip~

Surprised by Madrid, after Ramos left Varane also left. Despite having a good coach, without new players I think it's difficult. Other news Hazard is also ready to return to Chelsea. Who will they buy for next season? They will struggle without a senior defender. I as a fan really doubt their performance for next season without Ramos replacement defender.

After all the news in months, Varane will join Manchester United, really? It would be a hole in Real Madrid defense system when two key central defenders leave the club, Ramos first and it seems Varane will move too.

Real Madrid signed with David Alaba to replace Ramos but who will replace Varane?

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Little chance for Real Madrid got new player after heard and read article about Florentino Perez said not any new player coming in this window transfer. I think will the same like last year where Madrid not any new player except Alaba coming as free transfer player, looks how seriously Mbappe want to be Real Madrid team but Florentino perez never waste money to buy great player and this reason why Zidane left Madrid.

They will try to sign with some players because Perez knows that bad results in a new season will make the financial budget much worse. He is smart enough to know that Real Madrid must have acceptable results in a new season. If results are bad, their income will fall down seriously and might be very harmful for the health of club's financial condition.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 22, 2021, 07:57:57 AM

There's no official word on Varane and Hazard yet, I hear it's not certain but it's close to happening.

That is, there is still a possibility to keep both of them if Ancelotti does not plan to recruit new players. Hazard may still be released to return to Chelsea because I don't see him making a big contribution to Real Madrid in recent seasons. But Varane, I don't think he should be let go even though Real Madrid can get new players.

Quote from: Luzin on July 22, 2021, 07:57:57 AM

Seeing that their finances are not bad, they should have the courage to buy new players. Relying on academy players didn't seem like it would be enough. How anceloti plans are also not very clear, not much media has reported on his plans.

If the transfer market has not closed, Ancelotti still has the opportunity to recruit a number of players to strengthen the team. It doesn't make sense that he has no plans for Real Madrid.

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It looks like Manchester Utd and Real Madrid both are trying to sign Leon Goretzka. He has only one year left on his contract. He is 26 years old and he is a quite valuable player for Bayern Munich. In the last season, he played in 32 games. He scored 8 goals and made 9 assists. I think that it's quite good for a central midfielder. He's played for 3 seasons there. And Bayern got him on a free transfer. His market value is now €70m. If they sell him for a price around his market value, it will be a huge profit for them.

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Quote from: Luzin on July 22, 2021, 07:57:57 AM

Seeing that their finances are not bad, they should have the courage to buy new players. Relying on academy players didn't seem like it would be enough. How anceloti plans are also not very clear, not much media has reported on his plans.

The last news I heard they wanted to sign Leon Goretzka from Bayern Munich, but it seems that what you said about their good financial situation was wrong, I even read on a local sports news portal that because they are having financial problems, they will go after Leon Goretzka if his contract expires at Bayern Munich on 30 June 2022.

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Quote from: ShowOff on July 22, 2021, 07:13:20 AM

Varane, Hazard leaving?

There's no official word on Varane and Hazard yet, I hear it's not certain but it's close to happening. I don't know Madrid's plans but they seem to have big plans for next season.

Seeing that their finances are not bad, they should have the courage to buy new players. Relying on academy players didn't seem like it would be enough. How anceloti plans are also not very clear, not much media has reported on his plans.

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 22, 2021, 05:34:04 AM

Quote from: CLS63 on July 21, 2021, 05:20:07 AM

According to AS, Manchester Utd are really close to ending Varane deal in a few days successfully.
~snip~

Surprised by Madrid, after Ramos left Varane also left. Despite having a good coach, without new players I think it's difficult. Other news Hazard is also ready to return to Chelsea. Who will they buy for next season? They will struggle without a senior defender. I as a fan really doubt their performance for next season without Ramos replacement defender.

Alaba came. In addition, there is Nacho and Militao. Chust from Castilla will also be brought in. Next season we will see a lot of young players in Real Madrid. They won't buy anyone this summer. Mbappe's main goal. They will find money for it.) But PSG does not sell it.

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 22, 2021, 05:34:04 AM

Surprised by Madrid, after Ramos left Varane also left. Despite having a good coach, without new players I think it's difficult. Other news Hazard is also ready to return to Chelsea. Who will they buy for next season? They will struggle without a senior defender. I as a fan really doubt their performance for next season without Ramos replacement defender.

Even though I'm a Barcelona supporter, I really don't like it if Real Madrid doesn't have players who can be relied on in various line, be it attackers, midfield or defense because almost every El-Clasico season is the match that football lovers have been waiting for in the world.

If Real Madrid is quite fragile in all respect, then El Clasico certainly will not be interesting to watch. However, it is possible that Real Madrid will buy some decent substitute to rely on in defense to be ready to start the competition well. Ramos, Varane, Hazard leaving? I don't think it's good for Real Madrid, although I know some people at Barcelona like it.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 21, 2021, 05:20:07 AM

According to AS, Manchester Utd are really close to ending Varane deal in a few days successfully.
~snip~

Surprised by Madrid, after Ramos left Varane also left. Despite having a good coach, without new players I think it's difficult. Other news Hazard is also ready to return to Chelsea. Who will they buy for next season? They will struggle without a senior defender. I as a fan really doubt their performance for next season without Ramos replacement defender.

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