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Quote from: Chrystora123 on March 05, 2020, 11:52:44 AM

I hope Madrid is able to continue to survive and win every game in the future because Barca will surely try hard to reclaim the top position of the La Liga this season. (madrid fans) Grin

Quote from: Fesatmas on March 05, 2020, 10:22:19 AM

But only Barcelona is famous for its tiki taka.

8/3/2020 Barca face Real Sociedad.. I hope Barca forget their defeat (when facing Madrid) and keep playing with Tiki Taka tricks.

Real Sociedad is a good team and can disappoint Barcelona fans again.
The most important thing isn't the Barca's result but it is to see Real Madrid winning VS Betis and the remaining games too! Barca drawing or losing should be just an extra advantage

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I hope Madrid is able to continue to survive and win every game in the future because Barca will surely try hard to reclaim the top position of the La Liga this season. (madrid fans) Grin

Quote from: Fesatmas on March 05, 2020, 10:22:19 AM

But only Barcelona is famous for its tiki taka.

8/3/2020 Barca face Real Sociedad.. I hope Barca forget their defeat (when facing Madrid) and keep playing with Tiki Taka tricks.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on March 05, 2020, 03:42:44 AM

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Quote from: Naida_BR on March 03, 2020, 11:23:50 AM

so Barcelona should adapt to a new way of playing.

Tiki Taka is no longer a trend now, relying only on fast players and strong defense if the barcelona game is still like that then there will be no change for barcelona.
Now it is necessary to follow the new trends and tactics of the coach so that it gives rise to the players to play a role on the pitch so that Barcelona will look even stronger.

That's exactly what I am saying.
Teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona should have more that one play style in their pocket. Every game needs to be treated differently and tiki taka is very clear to b faced for any team right now.

Indeed, each team must have a different style of play so that opponents will not easily guess our attacks I think Madrid and Barcelona have their respective styles so that their game is strong.

But only Barcelona is famous for its tiki taka.

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Quote from: ampere on March 05, 2020, 03:35:20 AM

Tiki taka cannot thrive anymore efficiently because teams now set up with fast paced attackers, fast paced attacking midfielders a holding midfielder and fast paced full backs, who can perform double high press on any teams that try tiki taka.

Tikitaka, really? How many years passed since the last season of Pep in Barcelona?
When Pep left the club, tiki taka was dissapeared gradually and what Barcelona have played recent seasons is too far and very different from the original Tiki taka I know of.

The worse thing for Barcelona is Messi is older and consequently his form has gradually reduced as well. Soon Barcelona need to find a new legend who will be able to bring them back to trophy competitions.

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Liverpool prefers hit and run and cross football, and Simeone tackled that with close range pressing.

Liverpool has a tactic like Ajax in the past, and recent years is Dortmund but they played better than Dortmund because they have some better key players, Allison, Dijk and Salah.

A. Madrid, as always, is a defensive team and Simeone seems to have better tactics for his team and the art of defence has been grown up by the coach. To compare between Mourinho and Simeone, I think Simeone has adapted better than Mourinho.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 03, 2020, 11:47:13 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on March 03, 2020, 11:23:50 AM

so Barcelona should adapt to a new way of playing.

Tiki Taka is no longer a trend now, relying only on fast players and strong defense if the barcelona game is still like that then there will be no change for barcelona.
Now it is necessary to follow the new trends and tactics of the coach so that it gives rise to the players to play a role on the pitch so that Barcelona will look even stronger.

That's exactly what I am saying.
Teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona should have more that one play style in their pocket. Every game needs to be treated differently and tiki taka is very clear to b faced for any team right now.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 03, 2020, 11:47:13 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on March 03, 2020, 11:23:50 AM

so Barcelona should adapt to a new way of playing.

Tiki Taka is no longer a trend now, relying only on fast players and strong defense if the barcelona game is still like that then there will be no change for barcelona.
Now it is necessary to follow the new trends and tactics of the coach so that it gives rise to the players to play a role on the pitch so that Barcelona will look even stronger.

Tiki taka cannot thrive anymore efficiently because teams now set up with fast paced attackers, fast paced attacking midfielders a holding midfielder and fast paced full backs, who can perform double high press on any teams that try tiki taka.

Liverpool prefers hit and run and cross football, and Simeone tackled that with close range pressing.

Modern coaches should have several methods to grind out wins, which is why i said sacking Valverde was a wrong choice for barcelona because you can only utilize the players you have in front of you.

Until barca can get another xavi or iniesta, they should forget about tiki taka.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on March 05, 2020, 02:25:52 AM

Each coach adjusts his team's play to the players at his disposal.
I don't think that Barcelona can play differently.
It's obvious that Barcelona depends too much on just one player, Messi.
Tiki Taka is part of their club dnk and can't be changed overnight.
Messi is alpha and omega and everything starts from him.
When Messi finish his career Barcelona will have serious problems like Real without Ronaldo now.

If Barcelona only continues to rely on one player, Lionel Messi, then it will not advance to its own club, at least the coach can develop other players to be like Lionel Messi or Suarez who is sharp on the field so Messi only contributes to good attack and feed.

If tiki-taka is still in the Barcelona game then this will be easy for him as long as the barcelonan players can process the ball correctly.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on March 03, 2020, 11:47:13 AM

Quote from: Naida_BR on March 03, 2020, 11:23:50 AM

so Barcelona should adapt to a new way of playing.

Tiki Taka is no longer a trend now, relying only on fast players and strong defense if the barcelona game is still like that then there will be no change for barcelona.
Now it is necessary to follow the new trends and tactics of the coach so that it gives rise to the players to play a role on the pitch so that Barcelona will look even stronger.

Each coach adjusts his team's play to the players at his disposal.
I don't think that Barcelona can play differently.
It's obvious that Barcelona depends too much on just one player, Messi.
Tiki Taka is part of their club dnk and can't be changed overnight.
Messi is alpha and omega and everything starts from him.
When Messi finish his career Barcelona will have serious problems like Real without Ronaldo now.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on March 04, 2020, 01:54:23 PM

Reminder that this week we'll know the finalists of the Copa del Rey 2019/2020. Mirandes vs Real Sociedad kick-off in about an hour. Granada vs Bilbao tomorrow.

Anyone expecting a major upset? I honestly expect we get the Basque Derby in the final. 'Mirandes to Qualify' at 5/1 odds is a no brainer for those who want to back the underdogs who knocked Villareal, Celta, and Sevilla out of the cup.

Upset didn't happened. Real Sociedad confident reached final. In both games we saw two completely different level teams playing and it was difficult to expect surprise.
Granada - Athletic should be more interesting. Bilbao won at home just 1:0. But I expect Athletic to go through - I want Basque Derby in the final.

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Reminder that this week we'll know the finalists of the Copa del Rey 2019/2020. Mirandes vs Real Sociedad kick-off in about an hour. Granada vs Bilbao tomorrow.

Anyone expecting a major upset? I honestly expect we get the Basque Derby in the final. 'Mirandes to Qualify' at 5/1 odds is a no brainer for those who want to back the underdogs who knocked Villareal, Celta, and Sevilla out of the cup.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 03, 2020, 10:08:26 AM

City's formation was more like 4 - 4 - 1 (KDB) - 1 (I think Barca was 4 - 4 - 2) to neutralize Real's wide players on the counter attack and with KDB having the option to track back and essentially becoming a 4 - 5 - 1 without the ball.

Yeah, The trick was to try to pack the midfield as match as possible and Messi is capable of dropping back into the midfield to look for the ball, so they could literally change to 4-5-1 sometimes in the game and the gamble almost worked until he made a mistake of removing Arturo Vidal. That is when their woes started.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on March 03, 2020, 11:23:50 AM

so Barcelona should adapt to a new way of playing.

Tiki Taka is no longer a trend now, relying only on fast players and strong defense if the barcelona game is still like that then there will be no change for barcelona.
Now it is necessary to follow the new trends and tactics of the coach so that it gives rise to the players to play a role on the pitch so that Barcelona will look even stronger.

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Quote from: bitgolden on March 03, 2020, 11:15:46 AM

Strategy has always been part of mind games of these matches and I could totally see why a manager would want to change the tactic and create a new sort of formation to surprise the other team and more often than not that might actually work as well.

However, Barcelona is not like other teams, if you did that with any other team you could have gotten away with it, but barcelona is a team that gets that tiki taka 4-3-3 style from 10+ years old to their professional life and that kind of means you have to follow that up to el classico and any other game as well. Definitely, if you try that against getafe it might work because they are a whole lot of better than getafe but when you test it with Real Madrid it will not work because the difference is too minuscule.

Tiki taka football is kind of "old-fashioned" in my opinion.
There are a lot of teams that have studied this way of playing and there are a lot of ways to tackle this way of playing football now. It was efficient 10 years ago, so Barcelona should adapt to a new way of playing.

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Strategy has always been part of mind games of these matches and I could totally see why a manager would want to change the tactic and create a new sort of formation to surprise the other team and more often than not that might actually work as well.

However, Barcelona is not like other teams, if you did that with any other team you could have gotten away with it, but barcelona is a team that gets that tiki taka 4-3-3 style from 10+ years old to their professional life and that kind of means you have to follow that up to el classico and any other game as well. Definitely, if you try that against getafe it might work because they are a whole lot of better than getafe but when you test it with Real Madrid it will not work because the difference is too minuscule.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on March 02, 2020, 06:24:09 PM

Quote from: Rengga Jati on March 02, 2020, 06:00:25 PM

Trying out a new formation in El Classico was not really good idea. It didn't surprise Real Madrid but instead surprised the Barca players and their fans. I cannot understand why the coach didn't put Rakitic as the starting players in the match. AFAIK, he is one of the vital players in Barca's midfield. I think he is much better than Arthur.

Even the commentators where quite surprised by how he had set up the formation because Barça have traditionally been a 4-3-3 team.
Sometimes the surprises work, sometimes they don't if the opponent is able to adapt. I guess he was trying to copy notes from Manchester City because the change of tactics turned out to work for them in the Champion's League against the Blancos.

City's formation was more like 4 - 4 - 1 (KDB) - 1 (I think Barca was 4 - 4 - 2) to neutralize Real's wide players on the counter attack and with KDB having the option to track back and essentially becoming a 4 - 5 - 1 without the ball.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on March 03, 2020, 06:26:37 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on March 03, 2020, 02:19:51 AM

Messi didn't play well and couldn't make difference this time.

People only think about Messi whereas Barca has other ten players. If he didn't play well, it was probably caused by the performance of other players as a whole. So, I think it is not wise if we blame him unable to make the difference.

Surely many people will focus on Messi because he is the one who did a lot for Barcelona but this time he failed to give a goal yesterday and made his fans disappointed.
I think the solid in the team is not optimal so they lose concentration so they are unable to return goals to Real Madrid.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on March 03, 2020, 02:19:51 AM

I agree that Real was better team but only in the second half.

I think they were good both in the first and the second half. Even if they couldn't score in the first half, at least they finished it with 0-0 as the result. If they didn't defend solidly, I am sure they will be conceded in the first round. And another factor was luck. Cheesy

Quote from: Daniel91 on March 03, 2020, 02:19:51 AM

Messi didn't play well and couldn't make difference this time.

People only think about Messi whereas Barca has other ten players. If he didn't play well, it was probably caused by the performance of other players as a whole. So, I think it is not wise if we blame him unable to make the difference.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on March 03, 2020, 02:19:51 AM

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I agree that Real was better team but only in the second half.
In the beginning of the match Barcelona was much better but didn't have luck to score goal.
Both teams had their chances but on the end Real was more lucky.
Messi didn't play well and couldn't make difference this time.

Messi did not make a good contribution to Barcelona so he was more confined to Real Madrid players and could not do anything, I like Real Madrid to win and now they know Barcelona's weaknesses now and are able to make good chances.
Barcelona has been getting worse this season and I expect LaLiga will not be champions anymore let alone CL they will not get it.

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Quote from: tbterryboy on March 02, 2020, 02:37:10 PM

Everyone was expecting Real Madrid to be the better team and many people wagered on real Madrid as well but let's not forget that even on their bad streak this is the Barça we are talking about, no matter what happens and no matter who they are playing against, you can't simply write them off.

Barcelona at any year at any day has a chance to beat any team, that is why this game was so close in odds and should have been as well.

However, Real Madrid was simply the better team and they deserved the win they got and the first place they have as well. Barcelona is only one point behind them now and the league is far from over so anything could still happen from now to end of the season.

I agree that Real was better team but only in the second half.
In the beginning of the match Barcelona was much better but didn't have luck to score goal.
Both teams had their chances but on the end Real was more lucky.
Messi didn't play well and couldn't make difference this time.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on March 02, 2020, 06:00:25 PM

Trying out a new formation in El Classico was not really good idea. It didn't surprise Real Madrid but instead surprised the Barca players and their fans. I cannot understand why the coach didn't put Rakitic as the starting players in the match. AFAIK, he is one of the vital players in Barca's midfield. I think he is much better than Arthur.

Even the commentators where quite surprised by how he had set up the formation because Barça have traditionally been a 4-3-3 team.
Sometimes the surprises work, sometimes they don't if the opponent is able to adapt. I guess he was trying to copy notes from Manchester City because the change of tactics turned out to work for them in the Champion's League against the Blancos.

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