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Topic: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement - page 134. (Read 452224 times)

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Thanks LR for your hard work and many successes in this ultra-competitive field!


Nevertheless, I'd like to play devil's advocate for a minute and cool the optimism around this announcement.

First, LR has announced a coming BitFury deal for 100-200 TH/s well over a month ago, in mid-December, so this isn't really news.
There are only two aspects to this which are new: the new boards and the collaboration with CoinSeed.
As for the former, the new boards may be somewhat better but I wouldn't call this a game-changer.
As for the latter, I'm still not sure how much we have to gain from economies of scale by working with CoinSeed. What percentage of the planned CoinSeed mine will belong to LRM? If it's a large percentage, than we gain little from economies of scale by collaborating. If it's small, than it might be in our best interest to compete with CoinSeed, by using LR's existing relationship with Dave to try and obtain as much gear as possible before CoinSeed comes online (which would probably be a gradual process). Just hypothesizing...

So, the only question that really matters about this BitFury deal is when will the gear arrive and start hashing. This question has yet to be answered, even though the deal has been tentatively announced over a month ago. Since the difficulty is still rising at a double-exponential rate, and will probably continue doing so in the near future, we are not-too-many-months away from the point at which 156 TH/s will yield just about the same dividends that we're getting now.


By the way, is this what LR meant by "ASIC project"? Or is that a separate thing? Because putting the same 55nm BitFury chips on a new board doesn't fit my definition of an "ASIC project"... Are we going to be involved in making our own chips?

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sounds good, but more info and clarification is needed

BTW: I do not think those are BitFury chips - at least not the original one. They have BioInfoBank stamped on them, and they are hashing at apparently 10GH/chip. However, they certainly look like BitFury chips. If they are BitFury, as the news article suggested, then does this really count as a new ASIC project with LRM partnering in it's development?
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As Maxwellsdemon asked...  When will this substantial increase start hashing for us?   Huh
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Thanks LR for your hard work and many successes in this ultra-competitive field!


Nevertheless, I'd like to play devil's advocate for a minute and cool the optimism around this announcement.

First, LR has announced a coming BitFury deal for 100-200 TH/s well over a month ago, in mid-December, so this isn't really news.
There are only two aspects to this which are new: the new boards and the collaboration with CoinSeed.
As for the former, the new boards may be somewhat better but I wouldn't call this a game-changer.
As for the latter, I'm still not sure how much we have to gain from economies of scale by working with CoinSeed. What percentage of the planned CoinSeed mine will belong to LRM? If it's a large percentage, than we gain little from economies of scale by collaborating. If it's small, than it might be in our best interest to compete with CoinSeed, by using LR's existing relationship with Dave to try and obtain as much gear as possible before CoinSeed comes online (which would probably be a gradual process). Just hypothesizing...

So, the only question that really matters about this BitFury deal is when will the gear arrive and start hashing. This question has yet to be answered, even though the deal has been tentatively announced over a month ago. Since the difficulty is still rising at a double-exponential rate, and will probably continue doing so in the near future, we are not-too-many-months away from the point at which 156 TH/s will yield just about the same dividends that we're getting now.


By the way, is this what LR meant by "ASIC project"? Or is that a separate thing? Because putting the same 55nm BitFury chips on a new board doesn't fit my definition of an "ASIC project"... Are we going to be involved in making our own chips?
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Nice work LR!

Have any tentatives been thrown around as to when we could see this TH addition? (Q1/Q2 etc would be ok).

I'm assuming we take a percentage of the CoinSeed mining outfit as well or are we colo with that in the hopes of building a larger mine in general?
M31
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Nice big copper fills on the front!  Are those chips in series to drop 12V down to 0.8V?
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Out of curiosity, who designed your PCB? I've never seen an aluminum core used for an edge connector like that without a backside and having gold fingers. I'd like to ask if they used any kind of surface treatment on it to prevent oxidization on the aluminum.

Great news for everyone invested here. I'm generally down on mining bonds and mining companies in general, but L_R has done a great job at maintaining the value in the company.
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I'd fight Gandhi.
I just jizzed my pants. Having a nerdgasm over here... Shocked

WOOHOOO!!!!
M31
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Lab_Rat is a total math geek... I wanna see some of that powerful IQ in the form of projections (luckily he's also a spreadsheet geek - oh, and no Lab_Rat, that doesn't make you weird as nothing can be weird around this place).

Hit me with the BTC forecast LR!  The this-Thursday-through-Christmas would do it Smiley

Nice job dude...
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Excellent!  The incoming equipment sounds great.  The new rigs look cool.

I'm really excited to see how the new partnership progresses.
BKM
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Just WOW...

I would call that 3/3 at bat walk offs for Lab_Rat...

Nailing down a nice deal with Dave and BitFury...

Getting in on the ground with MegabigPower...

Making it into the CoinSeed start up and securing our future mine...

2014 looks bright for LRM and we owe Lab_Rat for that... I can't wait to see how this unfolds for us.

Yes - it is good to see that we have these opportunities as a result of Zach's hard work.

When will the additional 156+TH/s be online?
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Just WOW...

I would call that 3/3 at bat walk offs for Lab_Rat...

Nailing down a nice deal with Dave and BitFury...

Getting in on the ground with MegabigPower...

Making it into the CoinSeed start up and securing our future mine...

2014 looks bright for LRM and we owe Lab_Rat for that... I can't wait to see how this unfolds for us.
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Awesome Smiley Great work guys.
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Ok, everyone pretend that showed up last Thursday evening, and ignore the intervening week.  Smiley


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Upon starting this company, I began the never-ending search for the biggest (or rather smallest) baddest hardware out there.  Ranging from 65nm to 20nm the choices are becoming harder and harder to make with companies coming out with a new offering every day.  Some of these offers are scams, others are blatant lies when it comes to time frame or specs, and others are made by less than knowledgeable hardware distributors that have high hopes and fall short.  Weeding through all of the competition that has sprung up in the last year is a full time job in itself.

I consider myself lucky to have stumbled upon BitFury at just the right time and have built a friendship with Dave Carlson of MegaBigPower.  This man built, and continues to add to, what is possibly and probably the largest mine in North America.  This week I had the honor of meeting with Dave at his mine which has grown to an impressive 700+ TH/s and is quite possibly 800+TH/s as of today as more hardware was being added while I was there.  The actual reason behind this meeting was a little more impressive than the mine itself if that is possible.  

LRM has locked in an order with a guaranteed hashrate of 156+TH/s, but this order is not coming in the typical form that people are used to seeing.  A new and specially designed piece of equipment which is the first 1+TH piece of equipment to be in the hands of a customer.  The untested and unoptimized rig pulled over 1.5TH/s on its first bootup.

**BitCoinTalk auto-rotates this photo**


The newly designed rig is an impressive M-Board with 48 slots.  This rig is not publicly available at this time and will not likely be made available for some time, if at all.  The fact that the slots have been tripled is just a minor part of what makes this such a beast.  The H-cards are now smaller and contain 15 (3x5) chips instead of 16.



On top of the M-board and chip quantity changes, the H-cards are now aluminum backed!!!



This turns the PCBs into their own heatsink.  This rig is based on 55nm chips, operates as fast or faster than all the competitors at this time, and doesn't even need crazy (and expensive) cooling.

For the large expansion to the mine, we are moving the mine to another location.  This location, that will remain unlisted, has power in the 1.7c/kWh range.  With power at these prices, it ensures the longevity of the company for as long as Bitcoin Mining itself exists.

As released today on BusinessWire and CoinDesk, LabRatMining is working with CoinSeed CEO, Merlin Kauffman, to help CoinSeed build out an extremely large scale mine.  By partnering up with Merlin, LabRatMining will also benefit from the economies of scale on the hardware and build-out alike.  We're looking forward to a longstanding relationship with CoinSeed and Dave Carlson of MegaBigPower.  The circumstances involved in this deal ensure that LabRatMining is here to stay.


To read the full article, visit CoinDesk:
http://www.coindesk.com/coinseed-5m-investment-bitfury-mining/
BKM
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Interesting... But I don't get the point.
Instead of buying lots of BitFury gear and having LR manage our mining operation, we invest in a startup that buys lots of BitFury gear and hires LR to manage their mining operation. Where's the beef?

A big order to get in on, and share resources with.

Trying to get numbers.

grnbrg.

Megabigpower has 129 400 GH/s units in stock now for sale at $16 Gh/s as of this moment. One would imagine that the 5 MM in gear is either delivered and in the process of being set up or delivering imminently. They likely need to show substantive progress towards this milestone to trigger the round two money. Nevertheless, there is still no indication what this actually means for bondholders.... yet Wink
M31
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More info here: http://www.coindesk.com/coinseed-5m-investment-bitfury-mining/

There's nothing in either article (this one or Businessweek) that seems to contain good news for LRM bondholders. I just get the impression that Zach got a new job. Does this mean that he'll have even less time for LRM operations now? Let's hope his announcement provides news to the contrary!

More likely that we are partners in the venture Smiley

The force tells me LR is about to post... Please be right force!
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More info here: http://www.coindesk.com/coinseed-5m-investment-bitfury-mining/

There's nothing in either article (this one or Businessweek) that seems to contain good news for LRM bondholders. I just get the impression that Zach got a new job. Does this mean that he'll have even less time for LRM operations now? Let's hope his announcement provides news to the contrary!
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A big order to get in on, and share resources with.

Trying to get numbers.


grnbrg.
An "order" is often far away from "in hand"... Wink
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Interesting... But I don't get the point.
Instead of buying lots of BitFury gear and having LR manage our mining operation, we invest in a startup that buys lots of BitFury gear and hires LR to manage their mining operation. Where's the beef?

A big order to get in on, and share resources with.

Trying to get numbers.


grnbrg.
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