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Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 129. (Read 1079974 times)

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Outsourcing sounds like a sane decision. If one cant do it alone he should let others, with more knowledge, do it. Sometimes admitting that you dont know further is a hard thing. So i see this as a good sign.

Anyway... keeping aside all this emotions, the fear and talk... i still see a company that has slight results, problems with hardware and time problems. As if this is something new for asic companies...

Besides that i did not find a real reason that this is would be a scam. And it doesnt make sense anyway to move this on after you already got all the money from IPO.

Whatever... the price is low enough to buy in. Panic is not a real indicator for the worth of future divs. And im only interested in divs. With this shareprice the relation between potential reward and total loss is good.

Some people should keep the saying "never trade on emotions" in mind. Thats prone to errors. And i fall for it often enough. Saying that... its still possible to lose everything... but what i see doesnt look to me like something that justifies crashing the price.

At the end its a gamble like every investment... and the lots are cheap now.

if i was religous man, i'd pray for you. naivety knows no bounds
you've got 2 chances of making any sort of money here, none of which follow the original plan and both of which rely on finding a bigger set of fools
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Outsourcing sounds like a sane decision. If one cant do it alone he should let others, with more knowledge, do it. Sometimes admitting that you dont know further is a hard thing. So i see this as a good sign.

Anyway... keeping aside all this emotions, the fear and talk... i still see a company that has slight results, problems with hardware and time problems. As if this is something new for asic companies...

Besides that i did not find a real reason that this is would be a scam. And it doesnt make sense anyway to move this on after you already got all the money from IPO.

Whatever... the price is low enough to buy in. Panic is not a real indicator for the worth of future divs. And im only interested in divs. With this shareprice the relation between potential reward and total loss is good.

Some people should keep the saying "never trade on emotions" in mind. Thats prone to errors. And i fall for it often enough. Saying that... its still possible to lose everything... but what i see doesnt look to me like something that justifies crashing the price.

At the end its a gamble like every investment... and the lots are cheap now.

And with the current hash rate what do you think the divs will be?
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I'm just throwing this out there, but if you want a PR person, I'll do it for only 500 btc.
sr. member
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I am not qualified in hardware development, i do have a general IT background and have managed several software development projects.
We will try our best to reply all questions during the session tomorrow.

Are you actually going to show up this time? And not send an understudy of someone, who at this point doesn't even work for your 'company'.
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Outsourcing sounds like a sane decision. If one cant do it alone he should let others, with more knowledge, do it. Sometimes admitting that you dont know further is a hard thing. So i see this as a good sign.

Anyway... keeping aside all this emotions, the fear and talk... i still see a company that has slight results, problems with hardware and time problems. As if this is something new for asic companies...

Besides that i did not find a real reason that this is would be a scam. And it doesnt make sense anyway to move this on after you already got all the money from IPO.

Whatever... the price is low enough to buy in. Panic is not a real indicator for the worth of future divs. And im only interested in divs. With this shareprice the relation between potential reward and total loss is good.

Some people should keep the saying "never trade on emotions" in mind. Thats prone to errors. And i fall for it often enough. Saying that... its still possible to lose everything... but what i see doesnt look to me like something that justifies crashing the price.

At the end its a gamble like every investment... and the lots are cheap now.

Yeah.  At the same time, though I think LC could use a board to oversee what's going on. And also offer assistance and in terms of how to manage things.

One of the reasons why the share price is in so much trouble is the rising difficulty.  If this was a year ago, it wouldn't be much of a problem if they got delayed by a month or so.  ASICMiner had issues as well.  B1 Avalons were delayed a month or two, but their owners are still pretty happy. 

The problem now is that with KnC, Cointerra, and the like there's not much room for error, before bitcoin mining becomes unprofitable.
legendary
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Outsourcing sounds like a sane decision. If one cant do it alone he should let others, with more knowledge, do it. Sometimes admitting that you dont know further is a hard thing. So i see this as a good sign.

Anyway... keeping aside all this emotions, the fear and talk... i still see a company that has slight results, problems with hardware and time problems. As if this is something new for asic companies...

Besides that i did not find a real reason that this is would be a scam. And it doesnt make sense anyway to move this on after you already got all the money from IPO.

Whatever... the price is low enough to buy in. Panic is not a real indicator for the worth of future divs. And im only interested in divs. With this shareprice the relation between potential reward and total loss is good.

Some people should keep the saying "never trade on emotions" in mind. Thats prone to errors. And i fall for it often enough. Saying that... its still possible to lose everything... but what i see doesnt look to me like something that justifies crashing the price.

At the end its a gamble like every investment... and the lots are cheap now.
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Quote For Truth.

You can get the help you need. Ask for it.

yes, so true. bitcycle if you need any assistance with your gambling problem, welcome to pm anytime
legendary
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In other news, I have received this very interesting proposal in my inbox.

So I just thought I'd pass it on to Labcoin investors, as they seem to like such opportunities, I hope the e-mail is still active ;-)

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Date: September, 2013 Email: [email protected]

To Whom It May Concern,

               INVESTMENT PROPOSAL OF $8.350 MILLION DOLLARS

I would respectfully request that you keep the contents of this email confidential and respect the integrity of the information you come by as a result of this letter. I contact you independently and no one is informed of this communication.

My name is Kuen Yang working with Hong Leong Bank, Hong Kong; I am getting in touch with you regarding the estate of a deceased client with similar last name and an investment placed under the banks management.

In 2001, Mr. Albert came to my office to engage in business discussions with our private banking division. He informed us that he had a financial portfolio of $8.350 million United States Dollars, which he wished to have us invest on his behalf.

Based on my advice, we spun the money around various opportunities and made attractive margins for our first months of operation, the accrued profit and interest plus capital stood at this point at over 10 million United States Dollars. In mid 2002, he instructed that the principal sum ($8.350 Million USD) be liquidated because he needed to make an urgent investment requiring cash payments.

We got in touch with a specialist bank namely Public Bank who agreed to receive this money for a fee and make cash available to our client. However Public Bank got in touch with us last year that this money has not been claimed. On further enquiries we found out that Albert was involved in an accident. He has no next of kin, which means he died intestate and the reason I am writing you is because you are namesakes sharing the same last name.

What I propose is that since I have exclusive access to his file, you will be made the beneficiary of these funds. Public Bank will contact you informing you that money has been willed to you. On verification, which will be the details I make available to Hong Leong Bank. Public Bank will be instructed to make payments to you after all the necessary verification and application is done. You do not need to have known Albert. I know this might be a bit heavy for you but please trust me on this. For all your troubles I propose that we split the money in half. In the banking circle this happens every time. The other option is that the money will revert back to the state after the stipulated time span.

Nobody is getting hurt; this is a lifetime opportunity for us. I hold the KEY to these funds, and as a Hong Kong National we see so much cash and funds being re-assigned daily. I would want us to keep communication for now strictly by the above telephone and email.

Please, again, note I am a family man; I have a wife and children. I send you this mail not without a measure of fear as to the consequences, but I know within me that nothing ventured is nothing gained and that success and riches never come easy or on a platter of gold. This is the one truth I have learned from my private banking clients. Do not betray my confidence. If we can be of one accord, we should act swiftly on this. Please get back to me immediately via the email above.

I await your response.

Your Friend and Partner.

Mr. Kuen Yang

However, you may want to be careful with large investments in questionable opportunites...
sr. member
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I am not qualified in hardware development, i do have a general IT background and have managed several software development projects.
We will try our best to reply all questions during the session tomorrow.

There are lots of technically skilled people on these boards.  If you'd been up front about the problems we might have been able to help you fix them.

Quote For Truth.

You can get the help you need. Ask for it.
vip
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A proper Q/A session will be held tomorrow on irc to clear all questions. I will give here notice of the starting time.

So you've posted a notice about an upcoming post where you will give a future date for a possible IRC chat.

Enough of this. Stay and answer questions TRUTHFULLY.  My $26k is at least worth 20 minutes of your time.


I do confirm my identity as Samuel Noi, the team structure has changed since when the project started.
Howard Wang left the project in August and left for the U.S. to complete his studies and work there.
Michael Sparmann  has consulted for us and developed software for the 65nm interface and currently is in touch with me, awaiting for a chat with the new technical team.
The ownership of the company will be passed from Mr. Tatti to me during the next month.

Could you please give us your qualifications?  It is the impression of your investors that Howard Wang was the 'brains' and he is now gone.  Now that you have admitted to outsourcing the troubleshooting of your current hardware problems is it safe to assume that at this point the problems are unknown and we don't know if they will be resolved?

Also, you've claimed to order 100k additional chips.  This would imply that the problem isn't with the chips, rather with the boards.  However, your initial estimates were 5GH/chip but subsequent updates mentioned 1.7GH/chip.  

Could you please give us technical details of the problems you are having and the steps you are taking to resolve them?


I am not qualified in hardware development, i do have a general IT background and have managed several software development projects.
We will try our best to reply all questions during the session tomorrow in two weeks.
FTFY.
legendary
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1) labcoin is directly connected, with evidence, to some serious bitcoin scammers
2) sold a third of their locked shares

and some of you are still willing to trust them?

legendary
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A proper Q/A session will be held tomorrow on irc to clear all questions. I will give here notice of the starting time.

So you've posted a notice about an upcoming post where you will give a future date for a possible IRC chat.

Enough of this. Stay and answer questions TRUTHFULLY.  My $26k is at least worth 20 minutes of your time.


I do confirm my identity as Samuel Noi, the team structure has changed since when the project started.
Howard Wang left the project in August and left for the U.S. to complete his studies and work there.
Michael Sparmann  has consulted for us and developed software for the 65nm interface and currently is in touch with me, awaiting for a chat with the new technical team.
The ownership of the company will be passed from Mr. Tatti to me during the next month.

Could you please give us your qualifications?  It is the impression of your investors that Howard Wang was the 'brains' and he is now gone.  Now that you have admitted to outsourcing the troubleshooting of your current hardware problems is it safe to assume that at this point the problems are unknown and we don't know if they will be resolved?

Also, you've claimed to order 100k additional chips.  This would imply that the problem isn't with the chips, rather with the boards.  However, your initial estimates were 5GH/chip but subsequent updates mentioned 1.7GH/chip.  

Could you please give us technical details of the problems you are having and the steps you are taking to resolve them?


I am not qualified in hardware development, i do have a general IT background and have managed several software development projects.
We will try our best to reply all questions during the session tomorrow.

Bye bye now. Cheesy
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I am not qualified in hardware development, i do have a general IT background and have managed several software development projects.
We will try our best to reply all questions during the session tomorrow.

There are lots of technically skilled people on these boards.  If you'd been up front about the problems we might have been able to help you fix them.
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Labcoin.com
A proper Q/A session will be held tomorrow on irc to clear all questions. I will give here notice of the starting time.

So you've posted a notice about an upcoming post where you will give a future date for a possible IRC chat.

Enough of this. Stay and answer questions TRUTHFULLY.  My $26k is at least worth 20 minutes of your time.


I do confirm my identity as Samuel Noi, the team structure has changed since when the project started.
Howard Wang left the project in August and left for the U.S. to complete his studies and work there.
Michael Sparmann  has consulted for us and developed software for the 65nm interface and currently is in touch with me, awaiting for a chat with the new technical team.
The ownership of the company will be passed from Mr. Tatti to me during the next month.

Could you please give us your qualifications?  It is the impression of your investors that Howard Wang was the 'brains' and he is now gone.  Now that you have admitted to outsourcing the troubleshooting of your current hardware problems is it safe to assume that at this point the problems are unknown and we don't know if they will be resolved?

Also, you've claimed to order 100k additional chips.  This would imply that the problem isn't with the chips, rather with the boards.  However, your initial estimates were 5GH/chip but subsequent updates mentioned 1.7GH/chip.  

Could you please give us technical details of the problems you are having and the steps you are taking to resolve them?


I am not qualified in hardware development, i do have a general IT background and have managed several software development projects.
We will try our best to reply all questions during the session tomorrow.
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Can you provide a resume for yourself?  

Specifically, what is your experience in the area of hardware development?

Yeah, this is a good point.  I think Labcoin needs someone with technical chops in charge, and preferably someone on the ground in China. I hate to be harsh but I think Mr. Noi has proven himself not up to the job of running this company and someone needs to be brought on who has a technical background to find out WTF is going on.  Preferably someone fluent in English and Chinese, since that's where all the work is actually being done.  We need someone who can stay in close contact with the technical team, etc.

I know in the software world, when people who don't know anything about software come up with some idea and try to "outsource" it, they often end up with total crap, because they have no way of evaluating how good the people they're trying to hire actually are.

I'm just worried about their financial situation, if they can even afford a turnaround at this point.
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Oof.

How's that emotional decision to dump at 0.0002502 looking?

Can't say I didn't tell you.
legendary
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A proper Q/A session will be held tomorrow on irc to clear all questions. I will give here notice of the starting time.

So you've posted a notice about an upcoming post where you will give a future date for a possible IRC chat.

Enough of this. Stay and answer questions TRUTHFULLY.  My $26k is at least worth 20 minutes of your time.


I do confirm my identity as Samuel Noi, the team structure has changed since when the project started.
Howard Wang left the project in August and left for the U.S. to complete his studies and work there.
Michael Sparmann  has consulted for us and developed software for the 65nm interface and currently is in touch with me, awaiting for a chat with the new technical team.
The ownership of the company will be passed from Mr. Tatti to me during the next month.

Could you please give us your qualifications?  It is the impression of your investors that Howard Wang was the 'brains' and he is now gone.  Now that you have admitted to outsourcing the troubleshooting of your current hardware problems is it safe to assume that at this point the problems are unknown and we don't know if they will be resolved?

Also, you've claimed to order 100k additional chips.  This would imply that the problem isn't with the chips, rather with the boards.  However, your initial estimates were 5GH/chip but subsequent updates mentioned 1.7GH/chip.  

Could you please give us technical details of the problems you are having and the steps you are taking to resolve them?
legendary
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A proper Q/A session will be held tomorrow on irc to clear all questions. I will give here notice of the starting time.

So you've posted a notice about an upcoming post where you will give a future date for a possible IRC chat.

Enough of this. Stay and answer questions TRUTHFULLY.  My $26k is at least worth 20 minutes of your time.


I do confirm my identity as Samuel Noi, the team structure has changed since when the project started.
Howard Wang left the project in August and left for the U.S. to complete his studies and work there.
Michael Sparmann  has consulted for us and developed software for the 65nm interface and currently is in touch with me, awaiting for a chat with the new technical team.
The ownership of the company will be passed from Mr. Tatti to me during the next month.

Will I-Tec Pro be the company that you'll be operating under next month?
Please disclose who you have outsourced the troubleshooting of the chip and ICB components to - we need proof that this is moving forward.
legendary
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I do confirm my identity as Samuel Noi, the team structure has changed since when the project started.
Howard Wang left the project in August and left for the U.S. to complete his studies and work there.
Michael Sparmann  has consulted for us and developed software for the 65nm interface and currently is in touch with me, awaiting for a chat with the new technical team.
The ownership of the company will be passed from Mr. Tatti to me during the next month.

Which "company"? There is no company called "Labcoin", only ITEC PRO LTD..

Someone who isn't me brought some documents on www.icris.cr.gov.hk about ITEC and uploaded them:

Certificate of Incorporation
PS300014752260_01.pdf (24 KB)
https://mega.co.nz/#!et4EzBLJ!DfK8K0LgtZKwrUYhgSGeeBEF7IUHTEII3jcgspj4WN4

Memorandum & Articles of Association
PS300014752281_01.pdf (213 KB)
https://mega.co.nz/#!LthC0azQ!IoImsmVoWPQTTUKmL4ckynoDOOUnBDOtcBHN9VmVGdQ

FNC1 - Incorporation Form (Company Limited by Shares)
PS300014752281_02.pdf (185 KB)
https://mega.co.nz/#!a1gwSbJJ!MYgM_yxVQCldiBa2okELUjEo1mVZDptUHseLSp6tpBA
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I do confirm my identity as Samuel Noi,

Which one? There are a couple on linked in people have thought might be you.
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