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Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 86. (Read 1079974 times)

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While the die size determines the heat transfer at the silicon junction, the size and more importantly type of package is also important as the thermal energy must pass through the package as well and the lower the thermal conductivity the higher the core die temp is going to reach.  The bizarre thing is that they reported using "QFP packaging, 44 pin, no exposed heat pad" for the size of the die that makes absolutely no sense @ >12W and is still hard to believe even at 5W.  They do make packages with exposed metal heat pad to improve heat transfer.  For example this is the Avalon chip.



Inside the package the die is pressed against the large square metal pad in the center of the package.  The center pad is only used for heat transfer, the other pins are used for electrical power, ground, and signal.  The pad will be surface mounted to a non-electrical pad (copper plate) on the PCB to conduct heat away from this chip.  Using a multi-layer board the connection can extend from the top layer through the PCB to the bottom layer which is used as a heat dump.  As a side note this is why the heatsink is on the "back" of an Avalon board.  The heat is conducted through the heatpad, through the PCB, to the heatsink on the other side.  With a QFP and no heat pad essentially the entire chip is encapsulated in insulating plastic and that greatly limits the amount of power that can be dispersed.  


I hate to say "I told you so"  I never owned a share, never will I was just interested from a technology standpoint.   There is a reason every other 110/130nm ASIC chip uses a heat heatpad package.  If you put 12W in (and their 5W estimate was likely nonsense) you have to get 12W out.  Plastic is a great thermal insulator.   You aren't getting 12W out of a chip that small without something that has a higher thermal conductivity.  They likely tried and with a low thermal conductivity the internal temp of the chip skyrocketed.   Now they have a ton of chips which probably can't handle more than 2W which means running them at 10% speed (or slower).
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It can't be that difficult to provide a stop-gap heat remedy. I mean, get a few air conditioners and blow them across the chips. stick them in an enclosure with dry ice. Chilled mineral oil. etc. at least until you can get a permanent solution.

Doesn't always work -- the package sets the limit.  Put a thermos jar in dry ice -- coffee inside it will still stay hot.

Edit:  What the guy above me sez.
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It can't be that difficult to provide a stop-gap heat remedy. I mean, get a few air conditioners and blow them across the chips. stick them in an enclosure with dry ice. Chilled mineral oil. etc. at least until you can get a permanent solution.

If the package can't transfer heat it doesn't matter what the outside temp is.

That being said, explain to me what a 3rd party can do about it on *already* made chips (given they would exist at all)?

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Would someone be so kind and summarize whats going on please?  I'm a bit behind and lost Sad

Labcoin getting caught in more lies and scams, people finally digging information on them, something that they should of done since day one, prepare for price below .00001

Is this before or after they get to 5BTC a share?

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It can't be that difficult to provide a stop-gap heat remedy. I mean, get a few air conditioners and blow them across the chips. stick them in an enclosure with dry ice. Chilled mineral oil. etc. at least until you can get a permanent solution.
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Would someone be so kind and summarize whats going on please?  I'm a bit behind and lost Sad
Here's the Q&A: http://pastebin.com/RSa1JPvM
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Would someone be so kind and summarize whats going on please?  I'm a bit behind and lost Sad

Labcoin getting caught in more lies and scams, people finally digging information on them, something that they should of done since day one, prepare for price below .00001
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Would someone be so kind and summarize whats going on please?  I'm a bit behind and lost Sad
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22:09:06 fruitninja https://blockchain.info/address/1J3bLZrFdWwVE6kG9cojT5189N6Er2xHrm

22:22:03 TheSeven someone should try to figure out what of that is really related and what is false positives

22:22:31 fruitninja TheSeven: I posted address here, if you post address someone can begin to analyze it and try to make some sense

22:22:51 TheSeven fruitninja: I received coins from the same address

22:23:29 fruitninja So, we should try to follow it up from the transaction chain, or check taint analysis to see referenced TX

22:23:32 fruitninja and UTXO

source: http://irc.radiumsoup.com/freenode/labcoin/logs/

In case anyone is wondering, the money trail starts here.



Around half ends up here: https://blockchain.info/address/1E6GekuNeRhPmT86XVszrnkZhiqNdPrcHY

sorry: https://blockchain.info/address/1FDZKfkAMiunBCyV6iyBxaqwHZ2mBXAuF9
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22:09:06 fruitninja https://blockchain.info/address/1J3bLZrFdWwVE6kG9cojT5189N6Er2xHrm

22:22:03 TheSeven someone should try to figure out what of that is really related and what is false positives

22:22:31 fruitninja TheSeven: I posted address here, if you post address someone can begin to analyze it and try to make some sense

22:22:51 TheSeven fruitninja: I received coins from the same address

22:23:29 fruitninja So, we should try to follow it up from the transaction chain, or check taint analysis to see referenced TX

22:23:32 fruitninja and UTXO

source: http://irc.radiumsoup.com/freenode/labcoin/logs/

In case anyone is wondering, the money trail starts here.

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22:09:06 fruitninja https://blockchain.info/address/1J3bLZrFdWwVE6kG9cojT5189N6Er2xHrm

22:22:03 TheSeven someone should try to figure out what of that is really related and what is false positives

22:22:31 fruitninja TheSeven: I posted address here, if you post address someone can begin to analyze it and try to make some sense

22:22:51 TheSeven fruitninja: I received coins from the same address

22:23:29 fruitninja So, we should try to follow it up from the transaction chain, or check taint analysis to see referenced TX

22:23:32 fruitninja and UTXO

source: http://irc.radiumsoup.com/freenode/labcoin/logs/
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this shit is longer than the AM thread
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www.coinschedule.com
We've got a payment address that Labcoin uses to pay contractors (radiumsoup irc log to verify):

https://blockchain.info/address/1J3bLZrFdWwVE6kG9cojT5189N6Er2xHrm

Start digging.

Who provided it?
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We've got a payment address that Labcoin uses to pay contractors (radiumsoup irc log to verify):

https://blockchain.info/address/1J3bLZrFdWwVE6kG9cojT5189N6Er2xHrm

Start digging.
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www.coinschedule.com
Sorry for the ignorance but how would theymos be able to get the "uncloaked" IP of a user in IRC?

Labcoin account posted here during the QA when while he was disconnected from IRC. That post has meanwhile been deleted, not sure if anyone quoted it,  but I assume theymos could verify the IP used to post that.

Ah, that makes sense. So did theymos confirm that the IP was actually from Italy? That would be indeed very serious.

Ive not seen theymos confirm it. Dont know if anyone asked, be my guest.
If confirmed I still wonder how dvd guy would have found out.

Just PM'd theymos
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Samuele Noi.

Consider that about 3 people having a phone number in Italy have surname "Noi" (http://www.paginebianche.it/persone?qs=noi&dv=).
Pretty uncommon, isn't it?

That name sounds just plain fake.

Tinfoilery lesson:

Samnoi -- Phonetic spelling of Russian word "with me"
Noi -- Italian for "we," "us"
Sam -- sounds like "Some"

OoOoohhh Shocked
/hides

Sam Noi = siam' noi = it's us

(siam' = siamo)

Well...  That settles that. 
If the guy put half as much thought into that name as we did into decoding it -- i think we got him Tongue
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Sorry for the ignorance but how would theymos be able to get the "uncloaked" IP of a user in IRC?

Labcoin account posted here during the QA when while he was disconnected from IRC. That post has meanwhile been deleted, not sure if anyone quoted it,  but I assume theymos could verify the IP used to post that.

Ah, that makes sense. So did theymos confirm that the IP was actually from Italy? That would be indeed very serious.

Ive not seen theymos confirm it. Dont know if anyone asked, be my guest.
If confirmed I still wonder how dvd guy would have found out.
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Sorry for the ignorance but how would theymos be able to get the "uncloaked" IP of a user in IRC?

Labcoin account posted here during the QA when while he was disconnected from IRC. That post has meanwhile been deleted, not sure if anyone quoted it,  but I assume theymos could verify the IP used to post that.

Ah, that makes sense. So did theymos confirm that the IP was actually from Italy? That would be indeed very serious.
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Do you still trust this guy Fabrizio Tatti aka Samuel Noi?

No, he has made plenty of promises today, and I doubt he will follow through on a single one.
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