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Topic: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) - page 886. (Read 1079974 times)

Sou
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Since no solution at this point will be 'perfect' and we are doing the best we can I would like to apologize in advance to anyone that feels that our solution is unfair. As previously mentioned, we had no way of anticipating asset-release time or interest in the IPO.

Just pull the trigger at the stated time, release the entire amount, at the IPO price and let the market decide.

I'll provide a shoulder for anyone to cry on if their feelings got hurt for only 1btc per 5min.

This is the correct answer. Let the market decide what to pay.

And what if someone decided to buy 7,000,000 share at 0.004 BTC? Would you be happy with that? Free markets simply favour the rich and greedy. The cap and percentage idea is by far the fairest so far.

+1 for a cap

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- 3 PM CST/4 PM EST is the cutoff for bidding.  (EDITED!)

FYI: That's 22:00 CEST or 20:00 GMT.
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Up to 12.5 mill orders at or above the IPO price.

I kind of want to order more now but I'm holding off since you said not too.

I still think capping large orders and distributing shares as much as possible to smaller orders would be the most 'fair' way to do this. In the real world IPOs aren't fair at all - banks give shares to themselves and their preferred clients first.

but we dont work like the real world. this is bitcoin world  Cool
Cool where we're going we don't need roads
legendary
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Hi all, I'm posting this somewhat blind.  (haven't caught up with the last 10 or so pages...)

TheSwede75 and I have talked a bit and here's what we've come up with:

- 3 PM CST/4 PM EST is the cutoff for bidding.  (EDITED!)
- Sometime shortly after that time I will lock the asset.
    - All bids below 0.001 will be thrown out.
    - All bids posted after the cutoff will be thrown out.
- We will then add up all the bids and use the total to create a ratio of number of shares ordered to number of shares available.  (eg, 9,000,000 ordered, 7,000,000 available gives us a ratio of 0.777)
- We will multiply everyone's orders times the ratio and extract a whole number of shares on a per order basis.  The orders will then be filled according to the result at 0.001 BTC.  (regardless of what they actually bid.)
- This will leave some number of shares available due to rounding down to a whole number on every calculation.  We'll figure out a way to deal with these fairly.  Most likely recipients will be chosen at random from the pool of bidders but they will be a very small portion of the overall issue.
- 8 PM CST/9 PM EST we remove the admin lock and everyone can start trading.

Wednesdays are already full days for me with ASICMINER-PT related duties and my day job.  So please be patient today.  Responses to customer service and related requests will unfortunately be delayed significantly so that I can write and test all the code necessary to execute the plan above.

Cheers.
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Since no solution at this point will be 'perfect' and we are doing the best we can I would like to apologize in advance to anyone that feels that our solution is unfair. As previously mentioned, we had no way of anticipating asset-release time or interest in the IPO.

Just pull the trigger at the stated time, release the entire amount, at the IPO price and let the market decide.

I'll provide a shoulder for anyone to cry on if their feelings got hurt for only 1btc per 5min.

This is the correct answer. Let the market decide what to pay.

And what if someone decided to buy 7,000,000 share at 0.004 BTC? Would you be happy with that? Free markets simply favour the rich and greedy. The cap and percentage idea is by far the fairest so far.

+1
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Up to 12.5 mill orders at or above the IPO price.

I kind of want to order more now but I'm holding off since you said not too.

I still think capping large orders and distributing shares as much as possible to smaller orders would be the most 'fair' way to do this. In the real world IPOs aren't fair at all - banks give shares to themselves and their preferred clients first.

but we dont work like the real world. this is bitcoin world  Cool
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Solution suggestion

The IPO shares are the first 7 Million bids @ 0.001
The rest will become bid orders, they want to buy at higher price anyway, those who bought 0.001 will be happy to sell it at higher price.

I think you just described free market.

Free market? Blasphemy I say. Give me all 7million for free and I'll put it on the market.
legendary
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Since no solution at this point will be 'perfect' and we are doing the best we can I would like to apologize in advance to anyone that feels that our solution is unfair. As previously mentioned, we had no way of anticipating asset-release time or interest in the IPO.

Just pull the trigger at the stated time, release the entire amount, at the IPO price and let the market decide.

I'll provide a shoulder for anyone to cry on if their feelings got hurt for only 1btc per 5min.

This is the correct answer. Let the market decide what to pay.

And what if someone decided to buy 7,000,000 share at 0.004 BTC? Would you be happy with that? Free markets simply favour the rich and greedy. The cap and percentage idea is by far the fairest so far.
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Up to 12.5 mill orders at or above the IPO price.

I kind of want to order more now but I'm holding off since you said not too.

I still think capping large orders and distributing shares as much as possible to smaller orders would be the most 'fair' way to do this. In the real world IPOs aren't fair at all - banks give shares to themselves and their preferred clients first.
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LOL 2 IPO's up, take your pick

God help, maybe this can solve all our problems.
legendary
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SaluS - (SLS)
Solution suggestion

The IPO shares are the first 7 Million bids @ 0.001
The rest will become bid orders, they want to buy at higher price anyway, those who bought 0.001 will be happy to sell it at higher price.

I think you just described free market.
legendary
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Solution suggestion

The IPO shares are the first 7 Million bids @ 0.001
The rest will become bid orders, they want to buy at higher price anyway, those who bought 0.001 will be happy to sell it at higher price.
legendary
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LOL 2 IPO's up, take your pick
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Since no solution at this point will be 'perfect' and we are doing the best we can I would like to apologize in advance to anyone that feels that our solution is unfair. As previously mentioned, we had no way of anticipating asset-release time or interest in the IPO.



You definitely showed us that you're willing to communicate, so I don't think anyone can blame you or Labcoin for being unprofessional here. I for myself want to thank you for being transparent and for listening to our ideas.

Region lock for 3.5mil shares, America today at 8pm CST and Europe at a convenient time, lock price at IPO first come first serve. After all shares are sold then resume normal bidding.

oh then I know the first problem: why USA first? this is a no win solution.

Earliest it can be released. Labcoin announce it will release 8pm CST. The real question should be what about people that don't live in US or Europe.

this is the next reason why this is not a solution

I'm sure its an easy fix. Just don't include regions that at an inconvenient time like 10PM-7AM.
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Been following this thread since the inception and just want to say that this is probably the most transparent and well coordinated IPO ive seen to date, from what it seems like the demand is absolutely overwhelming and cant wait to put some coins to work with this company, hopefully I can buy faster than the bots!!!

+1

At first I just want to make a quick profit from this IPO to be honest. But now I truly have faith on your success as I see your integrity.
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intersting IPO, how to get some shares, I put early order for 0.001, but seems that I will miss... anyway, thanx folks for cheap AsicMiner and ActiveMining
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Since no solution at this point will be 'perfect' and we are doing the best we can I would like to apologize in advance to anyone that feels that our solution is unfair. As previously mentioned, we had no way of anticipating asset-release time or interest in the IPO.



You definitely showed us that you're willing to communicate, so I don't think anyone can blame you or Labcoin for being unprofessional here. I for myself want to thank you for being transparent and for listening to our ideas.

Region lock for 3.5mil shares, America today at 8pm CST and Europe at a convenient time, lock price at IPO first come first serve. After all shares are sold then resume normal bidding.

oh then I know the first problem: why USA first? this is a no win solution.

Earliest it can be released. Labcoin announce it will release 8pm CST. The real question should be what about people that don't live in US or Europe.

this is the next reason why this is not a solution
legendary
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I do not predict this being a problem. At least not on any 'scale' as creating a bunch of sock-puppet accounts 'just in case' seems like quite an undertaking when no solution has been posted yet. Then again, I also didn't predict the asset to be approved in 7 hours or with this interest so maybe I should just stop predicting things...  Sad

Here is what I'd do in your situation:

1) Reset all bids > 0.001 to 0.001
2) Set a cap on the number of shares each person can get
3) After the cap is in place, if it's still over 7mil then scale back orders based on % of orders placed.

Right now there are only about 11m orders placed > 0.001, which means if no new orders come in everyone gets 63% of what they asked for.  With a cap, it should be a pretty big portion of what everyone, except the huge orders, wanted.

+1.

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Since no solution at this point will be 'perfect' and we are doing the best we can I would like to apologize in advance to anyone that feels that our solution is unfair. As previously mentioned, we had no way of anticipating asset-release time or interest in the IPO.



You definitely showed us that you're willing to communicate, so I don't think anyone can blame you or Labcoin for being unprofessional here. I for myself want to thank you for being transparent and for listening to our ideas.

Region lock for 3.5mil shares, America today at 8pm CST and Europe at a convenient time, lock price at IPO first come first serve. After all shares are sold then resume normal bidding.

oh then I know the first problem: why USA first? this is a no win solution.

Earliest it can be released. Labcoin announce it will release 8pm CST. The real question should be what about people that don't live in US or Europe.
ajk
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Been following this thread since the inception and just want to say that this is probably the most transparent and well coordinated IPO ive seen to date, from what it seems like the demand is absolutely overwhelming and cant wait to put some coins to work with this company, hopefully I can buy faster than the bots!!!
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