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Quote from: smyslov on July 12, 2020, 12:21:56 PM

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US President Trump wear face mask for the first time in public:

He finally did it, because he cannot ignore the fact that Covid is making havoc in the US soil and it will not do good if they will keep denying this
his supporters are not wearing their mask, because he is not wearing mask and he is not supporting proper protocol, I guess now Trump is serious in bringing down the infection.

That is what he needs to do. It's not better to underestimate the virus because it already takes many people's lives, and he needs to try to prevent the new case in the USA seriously. That will not be an easy job because many people in that country have died, and perhaps, he needs to use the protocols to avoid the next victim.

So, if in the USA, many companies or offices or other businesses such as gambling, supermarket, malls want to reopen their place, they need to follow the rule and health protocol from the government. And if President Trump can give a good example for his citizen, I think people will follow him too, and together, they will try to reduce the infection people number in the USA.

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on July 12, 2020, 07:42:23 PM

They chose local economy rather than the health of its local citizen but I think there is a reason behind of it after all. Their local government cannot collect tax that they can use to give assistance to those people who suffering because of the virus if those casinos are still closed. It is a double-edged sword for them because they are getting tax from the casinos but there is a high chance that the virus will spread more especially if those crowded casinos do not implement social distancing.

So with the continuous rise of cases, do you think they will be more strict on this health protocol? Or is it better to fully close down casinos for the time being to avoid further chaos. Because you can't expect that all people will follow such protocol at all times. You can't avoid interaction with other people in this entertainment business. No matter what they decide, they should take into account the actual impact to the people who are continuously patronizing these casinos.

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Quote from: DevilSlayer on July 12, 2020, 07:42:23 PM

They chose local economy rather than the health of its local citizen but I think there is a reason behind of it after all. Their local government cannot collect tax that they can use to give assistance to those people who suffering because of the virus if those casinos are still closed. It is a double-edged sword for them because they are getting tax from the casinos but there is a high chance that the virus will spread more especially if those crowded casinos do not implement social distancing.

I don't think they choose between the two here.
They just want to balance everything, without taking care of the economy, people will still suffer because they won't get money to fund this big challenge.
When other countries are already borrowing money because their funds are not enough to combat the effect of the pandemic, so USA is no exemption here, they are a big nation but they also have debts and they have a lot of people who suffers from the virus already, in fact they have the highest numbers of cases and they are very consistent with that.

Tax is vital as it's the lifeblood of the economy, and even if they choose to close the economy, it would not solve the pandemic as it's not the cure, what we need is the vaccine.

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They chose local economy rather than the health of its local citizen but I think there is a reason behind of it after all. Their local government cannot collect tax that they can use to give assistance to those people who suffering because of the virus if those casinos are still closed. It is a double-edged sword for them because they are getting tax from the casinos but there is a high chance that the virus will spread more especially if those crowded casinos do not implement social distancing.

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Quote from: smyslov on July 12, 2020, 12:21:56 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 12, 2020, 12:11:10 PM

US President Trump wear face mask for the first time in public:

So it seems that he is no longer ignoring the hard facts that this pandemic has hit the US and is out of control. Regarding the topic,

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By 11:59 p.m. Friday, he will close the bar for the second time this year. A spike in COVID-19 cases led Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak’s to roll back reopening for businesses like Jackson's, forcing bars without food to shut down.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/07/10/nevada-bars-closed-las-vegas-casinos-open-governor-sisolak-update/5414497002/

It's really hard to open casinos as gamblers are going to flock and its hard to control the spread despite the many protocols and guidelines.

He finally did it, because he cannot ignore the fact that Covid is making havoc in the US soil and it will not do good if they will keep denying this
his supporters are not wearing their mask, because he is not wearing mask and he is not supporting proper protocol, I guess now Trump is serious in bringing down the infection.

Theres actually have no a good point on making things basing up on their own pride and beliefs and now they do realize that this pandemic or virus isnt a joke that you can easily neglect on.

We know the numbers are increasing day by day and we arent blind on how badly it do devastate all of sectors of industries that we do know and if people wont take this seriously

then its expected that the situation would becomes even more worst. Vaccine should really be created before people become too confident but for now since it isnt

available yet then we should follow strict protocols for us not to worsen up the situation.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 12, 2020, 12:11:10 PM

US President Trump wear face mask for the first time in public:

So it seems that he is no longer ignoring the hard facts that this pandemic has hit the US and is out of control. Regarding the topic,

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By 11:59 p.m. Friday, he will close the bar for the second time this year. A spike in COVID-19 cases led Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak’s to roll back reopening for businesses like Jackson's, forcing bars without food to shut down.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/07/10/nevada-bars-closed-las-vegas-casinos-open-governor-sisolak-update/5414497002/

It's really hard to open casinos as gamblers are going to flock and its hard to control the spread despite the many protocols and guidelines.

He finally did it, because he cannot ignore the fact that Covid is making havoc in the US soil and it will not do good if they will keep denying this
his supporters are not wearing their mask, because he is not wearing mask and he is not supporting proper protocol, I guess now Trump is serious in bringing down the infection.

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Quote from: South Park on July 06, 2020, 01:43:05 PM

We must find a balance between keeping people safe and protecting the economy, the problem is that many people do not listen, as soon as the economy was opened they went to the streets as if nothing was happening and they took no precautions, things are so bad that were I live some businesses had to close their doors again, people are mad about this but the pandemic grew out of control in the few weeks everything was open so we can only blame ourselves for the current state of the economy.

Cooperation is the key here.
Finding the balance here is hard knowing that if the people won't work, it will be bad for the worker and the economy itself. Even though many are imposing protocols regarding the virus, many are still hard-headed and don't follow these rules. Many are still going outside without masks.

Our president already said to these hard-headed people "We already warned you several times already. If you are infected, it is not our fault already." which is I agree on it. If a person doesn't follow the rules, it is not the fault of the government already. Most of the businesses here too are closed either permanently or temporarily which is quite unfortunate Sad

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Some people are simply unable to accept the truth, it amazes me that some people are still denying the existence of the virus and claiming this as the reason why they do not take precautions, it is as if they do not see all the people at the hospitals that are there suffering because of this disease and unfortunately it is because of them that this crisis cannot be solved in a more swift manner and affects all of us that are willing to take the precautions so the economy and many different businesses, including casinos, can remain open.

US President Trump wear face mask for the first time in public:

So it seems that he is no longer ignoring the hard facts that this pandemic has hit the US and is out of control. Regarding the topic,

Quote

By 11:59 p.m. Friday, he will close the bar for the second time this year. A spike in COVID-19 cases led Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak’s to roll back reopening for businesses like Jackson's, forcing bars without food to shut down.

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/07/10/nevada-bars-closed-las-vegas-casinos-open-governor-sisolak-update/5414497002/

It's really hard to open casinos as gamblers are going to flock and its hard to control the spread despite the many protocols and guidelines.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 06, 2020, 07:46:41 PM

Quote from: South Park on July 06, 2020, 01:43:05 PM

We must find a balance between keeping people safe and protecting the economy, the problem is that many people do not listen, as soon as the economy was opened they went to the streets as if nothing was happening and they took no precautions, things are so bad that were I live some businesses had to close their doors again, people are mad about this but the pandemic grew out of control in the few weeks everything was open so we can only blame ourselves for the current state of the economy.

Cooperation is the key here.
Finding the balance here is hard knowing that if the people won't work, it will be bad for the worker and the economy itself. Even though many are imposing protocols regarding the virus, many are still hard-headed and don't follow these rules. Many are still going outside without masks.

Our president already said to these hard-headed people "We already warned you several times already. If you are infected, it is not our fault already." which is I agree on it. If a person doesn't follow the rules, it is not the fault of the government already. Most of the businesses here too are closed either permanently or temporarily which is quite unfortunate Sad

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Some people are simply unable to accept the truth, it amazes me that some people are still denying the existence of the virus and claiming this as the reason why they do not take precautions, it is as if they do not see all the people at the hospitals that are there suffering because of this disease and unfortunately it is because of them that this crisis cannot be solved in a more swift manner and affects all of us that are willing to take the precautions so the economy and many different businesses, including casinos, can remain open.

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Nevada is still doing relatively well, at least when compared to some of the other states. But they are witnessing a sudden spike since the last two weeks and it roughly corresponds with the opening of the casinos. And check this article:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/nobody-knows-how-many-resort-workers-are-infected-including-employees-2071329/

It says that large number of casino workers got infected during the last few days. Even more worryingly, the companies are asking employees to show up to work, even of they are having acute symptoms such as coughing and fever.

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Look what’s going on inside this casino. Some visitors wear masks but the most ( in the background) don’t have it on the faces. And that’s when scientists warn of the danger of airborne viral particles wandering around.

Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-one-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

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I have seen some of the US citizens too stubborn to just wear a mask to be honest.

I have also seen one post on Facebook regarding a post of an US citizen who refuses to wear a mask when he goes outside. He posted it and then days after he has symptoms of COVID19 and when he got tested he was positive and days after his last post (around 2-3 days later), he died as I see a picture of the person in an obituary.

If all of the people there are just following the protocols then they can reduce the number of cases daily but they aren't or I should say some aren't following and looks like they don't value their life and they treat COVID19 as a normal virus.

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Quote from: bitbollo on July 12, 2020, 05:38:36 AM

Quote from: Japinat on July 12, 2020, 05:27:17 AM

If the government sees that data as a threat, would that make them decide to again close the Las vegas casinos?
You shared the real status in the area, so based on your evaluation, do you think the government will have to sacrifice the economy and close down business?

These data are already a threat.
I am pretty sure people should at least use mask in a closed space, and fines people that don't, or even casinos that don't follow these rules.
COVID19 spread with air and remains several hours on objects surfaces.

That's the best they can do, even in our country, it's very strict here, we will be penalize if we are caught not wearing a face mask to think that our country's total number of case is only less than 100K compared to the USA where they have over 3 million cases and nevada at 26k already, so they should be more strict.

Quote from: bitbollo on July 12, 2020, 05:38:36 AM

Probably they made their evaluation (good-bad projections) and decide to reopen again.
In my country (Italy) we had an hard lockdown. Ok it has helped in our situation to stop spreading of the virus.
But we don't know it this can be THE BEST solution. I mean, there are other problems that arise... like economic but even healthy problems.
We have lost thousands and thousands of diagnosis... disease don't go in holiday so if you have yearly xxx diagnosis of a certain disease, even with lockdown you're not stopping this problem.

They definitely do as Las Vegas Casinos were once halted but was later re-open, so closing it now might help to decrease the spread but would it be beneficial to the economy considering Las Vegas Casinos are one of the biggest contributor?

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Quote from: Japinat on July 12, 2020, 05:27:17 AM

If the government sees that data as a threat, would that make them decide to again close the Las vegas casinos?
You shared the real status in the area, so based on your evaluation, do you think the government will have to sacrifice the economy and close down business?

These data are already a threat.
I am pretty sure people should at least use mask in a closed space, and fines people that don't, or even casinos that don't follow these rules.
COVID19 spread with air and remains several hours on objects surfaces.

Probably they made their evaluation (good-bad projections) and decide to reopen again.
In my country (Italy) we had an hard lockdown. Ok it has helped in our situation to stop spreading of the virus.
But we don't know it this can be THE BEST solution. I mean, there are other problems that arise... like economic but even healthy problems.
We have lost thousands and thousands of diagnosis... disease don't go in holiday so if you have yearly xxx diagnosis of a certain disease, even with lockdown you're not stopping this problem.

Quote from: btc78 on July 12, 2020, 05:26:36 AM

Do they really cant breath because of Mask?or they are just being politically motivated just to create stupid issues like this to find some supporters?

Of course they can breath with mask, but its like people that don't want wear safety belt ...
Science should not be a political matter. Simplification ... 2+2= 4 . If majority in a democracy, decide that 2+2=5 is not an advantage for anyone...

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Quote from: bitbollo on July 12, 2020, 05:12:01 AM

daily cases are very high in Nevada

and there are more cases now then before! :O
it seems the worst situation has not already arrived, at least according these graphs... and isn't finished since epidemiology estimate for 1 detected case = 10 to be discovered1

Decide to not wearing a mask is a very selfish and egoistic act. In a closed space should be a rule since there are too many COVID19 asymptomatic.

If the government sees that data as a threat, would that make them decide to again close the Las vegas casinos?
You shared the real status in the area, so based on your evaluation, do you think the government will have to sacrifice the economy and close down business?

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Quote from: bitbollo on July 12, 2020, 05:12:01 AM

daily cases are very high in Nevada

and there are more cases now then before! :O
it seems the worst situation has not already arrived, at least according these graphs... and isn't finished since epidemiology estimate for 1 detected case = 10 to be discovered1

Decide to not wearing a mask is a very selfish and egoistic act. In a closed space should be a rule since there are too many COVID19 asymptomatic.

This is the problem about those "Stupid" people that go against wearing Masks,i don't know whats their problem when we are all talking about our own safeties.

Do they really cant breath because of Mask?or they are just being politically motivated just to create stupid issues like this to find some supporters?

there are many people even without the pandemic that already wearing masks because of the Pollution and now we are being advise to wear one because we are for safeties.

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daily cases are very high in Nevada

and there are more cases now then before! :O
it seems the worst situation has not already arrived, at least according these graphs... and isn't finished since epidemiology estimate for 1 detected case = 10 to be discovered1

Decide to not wearing a mask is a very selfish and egoistic act. In a closed space should be a rule since there are too many COVID19 asymptomatic.

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Look what’s going on inside this casino. Some visitors wear masks but the most ( in the background) don’t have it on the faces. And that’s when scientists warn of the danger of airborne viral particles wandering around.

Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/239-experts-with-one-big-claim-the-coronavirus-is-airborne.html

If that is happening in the casino, and the staff in the casino is not telling them to wear a mask, that will be too risky to the gamblers if they come to the casino because we don't know who is healthy, who is the carrier, who is the asymptomatic people. After all, they gather in one big room. The chance to see a new infection among those people will be big because they don't wear a mask. But I hope the casino can use the other protocols such as scan the people's temperature before they enter that place, and tell them to have social distancing between the other. But it is better to suggest the people wear a mask without any exception still.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on July 11, 2020, 07:42:12 AM

Definitely the local government must decide what is most important, the people or the local economy. Not just in Las Vegas but many many places all over the world there is a surge of cases of Covid 19 and in most of the places there are also 2nd waves happening. The one who posted the casino picture is already a sign that some if not all casino goers are not following health protocols. Better have strict regulations to prevent more infections.

Now the lockdown is getting over and slowly the cities or countries depending upon the situation have started to open up because they would not be able to lockdown and wait till the vaccine is found or things completely come under control. There are many reasons to it and one of them is that longer the lockdown, high chances of the jobs being cut, and daily wage earner do not have one to survive for long. Also, slowly with guidance things needs to be started to make the things work in new normal. But yes, precaution is now in our hands and we need to ensure to maintain safe distance and follow the protocol.

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Definitely the local government must decide what is most important, the people or the local economy. Not just in Las Vegas but many many places all over the world there is a surge of cases of Covid 19 and in most of the places there are also 2nd waves happening. The one who posted the casino picture is already a sign that some if not all casino goers are not following health protocols. Better have strict regulations to prevent more infections.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on July 10, 2020, 06:22:24 PM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on July 10, 2020, 06:55:29 AM

Does anyone have fresh stats on the state by state breakdown of the Covid's spread across the US over the last couple of weeks? From what I've seen of the nationwide upsurge of cases, it's quite likely Nevada will have no choice but to go back into lockdown.

as of today, they are already closing bars again. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/07/10/nevada-bars-closed-las-vegas-casinos-open-governor-sisolak-update/5414497002/

the governor said ~1.5 weeks ago that previous restrictions would be coming back if the trends don't improve. they just set a record for hospitalizations and set the 2nd highest record for daily new cases, so sadly it looks like a matter of time now. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/new-nevada-sets-new-record-for-hospitalizations-reports-nearly-900-new-covid-19-cases/

This is not good for the business, we are not sure of the decision but it looks like there's an indication that the operation might be halted again.
Just like when they opened, they are slowly opening the casinos and now it looks like the opposite would happen where they will be slowly closing.

Hopefully this would not happen, as a gambler I really wish that, as I also understands the contribution of the casinos to the economy but if things are already out of control, it will leave the government with no choice but to close it again.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 10, 2020, 07:15:06 PM

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Local transmissions can still occur inside casinos even though players use masks IMO...
corona infected people will continue to grow if we can not help ourselves, tables or gambling equipment in traditional casinos are still not safe from the coronavirus. if we really can not help ourselves to go to traditional casinos then always bring hand sanitizer wherever we step.

Knowing that there are infected person that doesnt show off symptoms and a simple triage on checking out people who do enter the premises can completely get rid if someone if infected.
Anything can really be locally transmitted and knowing that these places are enclosed ones and very cold which is the best place for virus to spread on since this one do live in cold environment.
Its up to their choice if they would risk out their lives just for the sake of gambling but eventually if we do think up sensibly on why the hell we would go out there if we can play safely in the
convenience of our own home.Its up to your choice though and we know on whats up there.

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