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Local transmissions can still occur inside casinos even though players use masks IMO...
corona infected people will continue to grow if we can not help ourselves, tables or gambling equipment in traditional casinos are still not safe from the coronavirus. if we really can not help ourselves to go to traditional casinos then always bring hand sanitizer wherever we step.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on July 10, 2020, 06:55:29 AM

Does anyone have fresh stats on the state by state breakdown of the Covid's spread across the US over the last couple of weeks? From what I've seen of the nationwide upsurge of cases, it's quite likely Nevada will have no choice but to go back into lockdown.

as of today, they are already closing bars again. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/07/10/nevada-bars-closed-las-vegas-casinos-open-governor-sisolak-update/5414497002/

the governor said ~1.5 weeks ago that previous restrictions would be coming back if the trends don't improve. they just set a record for hospitalizations and set the 2nd highest record for daily new cases, so sadly it looks like a matter of time now. https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/new-nevada-sets-new-record-for-hospitalizations-reports-nearly-900-new-covid-19-cases/

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Look what’s going on inside this casino. Some visitors wear masks but the most ( in the background) don’t have it on the faces. And that’s when scientists warn of the danger of airborne viral particles wandering around.

It seems to me that there is nothing worse than sitting in a room in a mask, which creates a favorable atmosphere for the reproduction of bacteria when you breathe into it. It’s hard to breathe in a mask, which means that sometimes people’s charter will take it off for a few seconds, spreading the bacteria indoors. It is obvious that the casino will be forced to quarantine after the first detected case of infection in their premises.
I wonder if they will hide it.

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Quote from: KnightElite on July 10, 2020, 08:17:27 AM

There is a recent interview of their Mayor about the reopening of Major Casinos in Vegas and she is very proud and confident that the virus will not spread. I'm sure that most of you are aware that the U.S. is the leading country in terms of covid 19 infected and the virus is spreading very fast where the health institutions are now starting collapse.

Maybe the best way to curve the line of the chart is to close the Major Casino and re open it only when most of the people are recovered from the virus. Most of the casinos there are crowded and for sure that the virus will spread there very fast.

It may be that a vaccine is the only real way to combat the virus in the long run as the other measures such as social distancing and face masks etc will only slow the spread whist out and about.

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Look what’s going on inside this casino. ...

That photograph could well have been taken at the Star Casino on the Gold Coast two days ago when I was there - players spaced out mostly evenly around the gaming floor.

The article talked about spreading the virus in confined areas. Well... what do you think you have on a cruise liner? Except for a couple of promenades most activity is indoors (and below decks Wink

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Look what’s going on inside this casino. Some visitors wear masks but the most ( in the background) don’t have it on the faces. And that’s when scientists warn of the danger of airborne viral particles wandering around.

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Casino employees may ask to wear masks at the entrance to the casino, and then come up and ask to wear those who took off inside. Easy

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Quote from: Ucy on July 08, 2020, 04:59:49 AM

Maybe other non-essential businesses are opened too?
Well, I don't consider most games in typical physical casinos as part of essentials. Their enclosed nature makes it even more risky. I would just have the good/safe ones outside or in well ventilated areas rather than opening up for business in enclosed space.

They could be essential in terms of contribution to the economy and it's Las Vegas, we know what's the main business in that area, it's the casinos so that could not be essential as we speak.
But geographically and logical speaking, they could be essential for the people who resides there who are mostly relying to gambling and casinos.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on July 10, 2020, 06:55:29 AM

Does anyone have fresh stats on the state by state breakdown of the Covid's spread across the US over the last couple of weeks? From what I've seen of the nationwide upsurge of cases, it's quite likely Nevada will have no choice but to go back into lockdown.

Here in Australia the state of Victoria has seen a level three lockdown of the capital (Melbourne) and to the immediate north shire of Mitchell due to a daily increase that's now at 288 cases (far fewer than Nevada's). The Crown Casino along with the rest of Melbourne has been locked down for the next six weeks. It's only a matter of time before similar happens over there.

There is a recent interview of their Mayor about the reopening of Major Casinos in Vegas and she is very proud and confident that the virus will not spread. I'm sure that most of you are aware that the U.S. is the leading country in terms of covid 19 infected and the virus is spreading very fast where the health institutions are now starting collapse.

Maybe the best way to curve the line of the chart is to close the Major Casino and re open it only when most of the people are recovered from the virus. Most of the casinos there are crowded and for sure that the virus will spread there very fast.

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Does anyone have fresh stats on the state by state breakdown of the Covid's spread across the US over the last couple of weeks? From what I've seen of the nationwide upsurge of cases, it's quite likely Nevada will have no choice but to go back into lockdown.

Here in Australia the state of Victoria has seen a level three lockdown of the capital (Melbourne) and to the immediate north shire of Mitchell due to a daily increase that's now at 288 cases (far fewer than Nevada's). The Crown Casino along with the rest of Melbourne has been locked down for the next six weeks. It's only a matter of time before similar happens over there.

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Quote from: Ucy on July 08, 2020, 04:59:49 AM

Maybe other non-essential businesses are opened too?
Well, I don't consider most games in typical physical casinos as part of essentials. Their enclosed nature makes it even more risky. I would just have the good/safe ones outside or in well ventilated areas rather than opening up for business in enclosed space.

Of course, playing in a casino is not something that is extremely necessary for a person. I wouldn't go to Las Vegas right now. However, do not forget that all people are different and someone really needs to relax and gain strength from this fabulous holiday atmosphere, which is constantly there.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 07, 2020, 05:43:49 AM

Indeed, in Nevada, everything is much more complicated with this. They get a lot of money and taxes from tourists who come primarily to play in Las Vegas casinos.
However, the economic situation in the United States is quite acceptable. If necessary, they can start the printing press again and print themselves another few trillion dollars.

How long do you think they can print out trillions without worrying about massive inflation, you cannot shut down the entire country and expect everything to be sailing smoothly and if they are not opening up industries and markets it will have a major impact on the economy as you cannot expect the economy to recover without doing any business, gambling industry is huge as many multiple industries are dependent on the gambling industry including tourism alcohol hotel and other trades in the business but it does not mean that we need to get rid of the protocols you need to follow during pandemic.

I'm not an economist. However, I can say that if these trillions and trillions of new dollars were left only in the United States, then they would have very serious inflation. However, they send dollars around the world and thus export their inflation to all other countries.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on July 08, 2020, 06:21:36 AM

Recent reports from all scientists suggest that wearing masks does not protect against coronavirus. We need more professional masks since the virus remains in the air for a long time. I think it’s very risky to open establishments where a lot of people gather. This is fraught with new infections and the spread of the virus.

I agree with you. Look what is happening in Belgrade. Authorities are forced to re-enter quarantine due to the outbreak of the virus, people are protesting and demanding the president to resign.
People are hungry for society, but it’s much more important to save not presidential seats, but human lives. Many politicians think only about how to stay in power, because any mistake can cost them dearly.

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I believe the risk is already known to the government, but still they approve the opening of Las Vegas, so if we carefully analyze the decision, iMO, it says that taxes is very important for the economy to survive knowing how big Las vegas casinos contribution to the government.

Correct. That's why as much as possible they will implement strict safety measures. But that measures can't follow if there are hardheaded people there as reported.

But no way they will close again the business. They might consider apprehending those violators or give them a violation so that people will be serious.

They also see that possibility, there are violators who might compromise the protocol but they are surely prepared for that.
Maybe a rule that if a customer violates the protocol, they will be ban in Las Vegas Casino for life, I think that's fair enough and violators would not think of doing stupid things.

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Quote from: iv4n on July 09, 2020, 04:27:42 PM

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Quote from: iv4n on July 09, 2020, 04:27:42 PM

I went to a store today and they didn't let me in because I didn't have a mask, I said who f. you, I will go to another place! About what we talk here exactly?! I don't know, it looks like some people are scared, some people are not, but isn't that on us to decide what we want with our lives? Some are afraid of risk, some people risk every day?
We can't generalize things as you want, people should be free to make their own decision!

i hear ya. i've actually had the coronavirus already (in march), got tested and everything, so i feel entitled to take some calculated risks and i HATE wearing a mask. but i do understand the masks inside stores thing. where i am stores get pretty crowded, lots of older folks in their 50s and 60s about, and i'd hate to see them get sick with this.....

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Quote from: iv4n on July 09, 2020, 04:30:18 AM

I didn't believe for a second that masks can help! Of course some special masks can help, but how many people can afford them? And even those masks can't last for long, you need to change them from time to time.

Exactly, in most cases masks are useless, especialy when you see how people are wearing them and how often they are changed. This is more just psychological effect.

a new study says that wearing a face mask decreases your risk of contracting coronavirus by 65%: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8503445/Wearing-face-mask-decreases-risk-infected-coronavirus-risk-65.html

there is emerging evidence the virus can be spread through the air and not just through droplets, so i see definite value in wearing them indoors, in enclosed spaces, like casinos. what trips me out are all the people i see wearing masks outdoors walking (no one near them) or driving alone in their car---that's just crazy. but in enclosed spaces around a bunch of strangers? i'm wearing a mask.

Foma come and sit at 25/50, bad beat jackpot is 2,386,378 and rising! I know that you know that I am talking about SwC bad beat jackopt! Why do we care about all others!?
I went to a store today and they didn't let me in because I didn't have a mask, I said who f. you, I will go to another place! About what we talk here exactly?! I don't know, it looks like some people are scared, some people are not, but isn't that on us to decide what we want with our lives? Some are afraid of risk, some people risk every day?
We can't generalize things as you want, people should be free to make their own decision!

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Quote from: iv4n on July 09, 2020, 04:30:18 AM

I didn't believe for a second that masks can help! Of course some special masks can help, but how many people can afford them? And even those masks can't last for long, you need to change them from time to time.

Exactly, in most cases masks are useless, especialy when you see how people are wearing them and how often they are changed. This is more just psychological effect.

a new study says that wearing a face mask decreases your risk of contracting coronavirus by 65%: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8503445/Wearing-face-mask-decreases-risk-infected-coronavirus-risk-65.html

there is emerging evidence the virus can be spread through the air and not just through droplets, so i see definite value in wearing them indoors, in enclosed spaces, like casinos. what trips me out are all the people i see wearing masks outdoors walking (no one near them) or driving alone in their car---that's just crazy. but in enclosed spaces around a bunch of strangers? i'm wearing a mask.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on July 08, 2020, 06:21:36 AM

Recent reports from all scientists suggest that wearing masks does not protect against coronavirus. We need more professional masks since the virus remains in the air for a long time. I think it’s very risky to open establishments where a lot of people gather. This is fraught with new infections and the spread of the virus.

The most required and most safe mask that I know is the N95 mask followed by the surgical masks but it will be useless if you doesn't have any alcohol or at least hand sanitizer on hand. The virus is slowly mutating and it lasts longer on any surfaces. Researchers and Scientists also say that the transmission of the virus can be airborne too aside from droplets only showing that it really is evolving.

Still the best way to prevent ourselves from infecting this deadly virus is don't go out of our house as much as possible. Unfortunately, not all people can afford to do that and they will just go out if they want.

I didn't believe for a second that masks can help! Of course some special masks can help, but how many people can afford them? And even those masks can't last for long, you need to change them from time to time.
It's not just that some people need to work, some businesses depends on people who are coming, if everyone stays home what will happen with towns like Vegas is? They are already damaged, and by some prognosis about this pandemic they can just expect more damage to their economy! Which means all people there are in fucked up situation! It's a hard choice, to destroy economy for saving some lives, or saving lives but destroying economy and many lives and families?!

Exactly, in most cases masks are useless, especialy when you see how people are wearing them and how often they are changed. This is more just psychological effect.
Izrael has produced some anti -bacteria and anti-virus masks but they are expensive and not available everywhere.
We need to continue our lives, economy must function otherwise soon we'll not have anything to eat and we'll all stay out of job. Casinos must work too, cities like Vegas depend on them and just imagine how many people would end up in the streets if they close the doors. Closing everything and stay in.home isn't good long term strategy.

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At least, by wearing a mask, we can prevent infection if someone cough or by dust out there. You can browse the store online or visit the local store to buy a professional mask. But the important thing is you must keep your health, and don't forget to consume healthy food and consume vitamins if necessary. As long as that place can use social distancing between each other, I think that will not be a problem, but we still need to be careful.

But still, the possibility is still there. There are cases that even with implementing the health protocol, wearing their masks, they do social distancing and even sanitizing them, they still infected with the virus. Opening establishments especially casino is really risky, but they have to do it to save their economy.

Maybe they already infected but they don't feel it. As we know that some person can be a carrier or asymptomatic which will be dangerous because they can be infected or people without they know. At least, they can minimize the risk by still doing the protocol from the government. The government itself will still do a preventive way from another infection, and maybe they will use another method to protect people in the public area.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 08, 2020, 08:28:51 PM

Still the best way to prevent ourselves from infecting this deadly virus is don't go out of our house as much as possible. Unfortunately, not all people can afford to do that and they will just go out if they want

This is not a solution

Or only a temporary one. That way, it can't possibly be the best way, aside from the fact that you can't stay home indefinitely (well, maybe you personally can, but not the majority of common people). All in all, there are two genuine ways to deal with the virus. The first is to physically eradicate it (as was done with small pox and a couple of other deadly viruses) or to acquire collective, or herd, immunity via either mass vaccination or most people pulling through the infection. Well, technically, there's also a third option, namely, that the virus mutates into a less lethal form on its own over time

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 08, 2020, 08:28:51 PM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on July 08, 2020, 06:21:36 AM

Recent reports from all scientists suggest that wearing masks does not protect against coronavirus. We need more professional masks since the virus remains in the air for a long time. I think it’s very risky to open establishments where a lot of people gather. This is fraught with new infections and the spread of the virus.

The most required and most safe mask that I know is the N95 mask followed by the surgical masks but it will be useless if you doesn't have any alcohol or at least hand sanitizer on hand. The virus is slowly mutating and it lasts longer on any surfaces. Researchers and Scientists also say that the transmission of the virus can be airborne too aside from droplets only showing that it really is evolving.

Still the best way to prevent ourselves from infecting this deadly virus is don't go out of our house as much as possible. Unfortunately, not all people can afford to do that and they will just go out if they want.

I didn't believe for a second that masks can help! Of course some special masks can help, but how many people can afford them? And even those masks can't last for long, you need to change them from time to time.
It's not just that some people need to work, some businesses depends on people who are coming, if everyone stays home what will happen with towns like Vegas is? They are already damaged, and by some prognosis about this pandemic they can just expect more damage to their economy! Which means all people there are in fucked up situation! It's a hard choice, to destroy economy for saving some lives, or saving lives but destroying economy and many lives and families?!

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on July 08, 2020, 06:21:36 AM

Recent reports from all scientists suggest that wearing masks does not protect against coronavirus. We need more professional masks since the virus remains in the air for a long time. I think it’s very risky to open establishments where a lot of people gather. This is fraught with new infections and the spread of the virus.

The most required and most safe mask that I know is the N95 mask followed by the surgical masks but it will be useless if you doesn't have any alcohol or at least hand sanitizer on hand. The virus is slowly mutating and it lasts longer on any surfaces. Researchers and Scientists also say that the transmission of the virus can be airborne too aside from droplets only showing that it really is evolving.

Still the best way to prevent ourselves from infecting this deadly virus is don't go out of our house as much as possible. Unfortunately, not all people can afford to do that and they will just go out if they want.

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Quote from: DabsPoorVersion on July 08, 2020, 06:56:36 PM

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on July 08, 2020, 06:21:36 AM

Recent reports from all scientists suggest that wearing masks does not protect against coronavirus. We need more professional masks since the virus remains in the air for a long time. I think it’s very risky to open establishments where a lot of people gather. This is fraught with new infections and the spread of the virus.

At least, by wearing a mask, we can prevent infection if someone cough or by dust out there. You can browse the store online or visit the local store to buy a professional mask. But the important thing is you must keep your health, and don't forget to consume healthy food and consume vitamins if necessary. As long as that place can use social distancing between each other, I think that will not be a problem, but we still need to be careful.

But still, the possibility is still there. There are cases that even with implementing the health protocol, wearing their masks, they do social distancing and even sanitizing them, they still infected with the virus. Opening establishments especially casino is really risky, but they have to do it to save their economy.

I'm pretty sure we gamblers are already aware of the risk especially that we are living in the US where the country tallied already 3 million cases as of today. So if gamblers would still go in a casino, then we can say that they are willing to take the risk, and government should not be blame by that as the measures is their, always in place and that's the only thing they can do, the rest depends on the gamblers themselves.

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