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Quote from: freedomgo on July 05, 2020, 03:54:41 AM

I get your point though, but can we be too confident to go outside without wearing mask because we believe we are strong and if we are infected by the virus we will not die. Come on, look at the number deaths worldwide until now.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19

Even after so many deaths, people are still debating whether they should wear masks while going outside. This is nothing short of tragic. Is this that hard to understand? The pandemic had its worst impact in countries where the governments refused to take adequate precautions. Examples are US, Brazil, Mexico, Mexico.etc. Where the governments took strict action and enforced the social distancing measures, there were very few deaths. Examples are South Korea, Japan, and Vietnam.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: bitbollo on July 04, 2020, 05:52:48 PM

It's around 1-1,5% mostly hitting subject with other co-morbidities.
Covid19 has killed also a lot of people without health problem...and going to ER for respiratory issues is not easy for anyone.

Viruses don't kill people on their own. As a rule, they weaken the human body, greatly reduce its immunity. Some people have complications of diseases that they already had before Contracting the virus. In other people, infection with new diseases follows infection with the virus. Very often there are various pneumonia.
The virus itself can not kill, other diseases kill, it only helps them do it.

I get your point though, but can we be too confident to go outside without wearing mask because we believe we are strong and if we are infected by the virus we will not die. Come on, look at the number deaths worldwide until now.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 06:16:02 PM

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The virus itself can not kill, other diseases kill, it only helps them do it.

Absolutely NO! Stop please with these kind of silly jokes

I don't understand if you're serious or just trolling.
First of all is total off topic here, secondly this is absolutely not scientific.

It's better you don't give "free lesson" related this stuff. People that doesn't know pathology can trust some of your words and it's clearly dangerous.
There are thousands and thousands of different virus and you can't try to simplify in that stupid way.
Ebola is a virus that reduce immunity? Cheesy

Also HIV (the virus that cause AIDS) can kill just for mutagenic effect of the virus that in the long term modify cell's dna = carcinogenic effect.
People with weak immune system can get often/strongly these disease or they can't fight (ebola kill 50% of people infected...)

Already in topic. Opening again Casinos in Las Vegas doesn't mean it's over a Pandemic era. We will see in the next weeks.
However as I showed with my two graphs it's pretty clear that USA/NEVADA have now strong and bigger waves respect the past months Sad

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Quote from: iv4n on July 05, 2020, 01:24:55 AM

Just for the record, I don't believe in all words and numbers I watch every fuckin day, someone is lying big time about the virus and economy

Cuz you decided to go with me, here's my reply

In fact, the outright lies are not as dangerous as half-truths. When someone tells you a half-truth, you can't actually blame them for telling you a lie. However, it still conveys only part of the truth (as per definition), and when you don't possess enough knowledge and understanding to get or deduce correctly the missing part, you are bound to arrive at erroneous conclusions, and entirely on your own at that (which is the whole idea behind it, i.e. to deliberately mislead)

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: bitbollo on July 04, 2020, 05:52:48 PM

It's around 1-1,5% mostly hitting subject with other co-morbidities.
Covid19 has killed also a lot of people without health problem...and going to ER for respiratory issues is not easy for anyone.

Viruses don't kill people on their own. As a rule, they weaken the human body, greatly reduce its immunity. Some people have complications of diseases that they already had before Contracting the virus. In other people, infection with new diseases follows infection with the virus. Very often there are various pneumonia.
The virus itself can not kill, other diseases kill, it only helps them do it.

I agree with this.

As of this moment, if the immune system of the infected person is high then the chances of the infected getting succumbed to this virus is somewhat low. This is the reason why the elderly people are the ones who are at risk here because they already have a low immunity because of their age.

Increasing your immunity will protect you with the virus but aside from it, mask & alcohol will protect you too. Stay healthy folks because we are at the first half of the year but still no cure for the virus yet. This will be a long ride guys so stay healthy and follow the guidelines in your places Wink

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 04:32:20 PM

Quote from: deisik on July 04, 2020, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: iv4n on July 04, 2020, 08:01:08 AM

Well after all Las Vegas is the town that depends on tourists and gamblers, if they don't attract people they are just on loss, they need to pay bills, they need to cover salaries, but from where to get that money if people are not coming?
It's risky, but it's the only thing they can do actually, if they wish to survive. Of course, they will have to follow the regulations, masks and glows, distancing... Virus or not, we have to eat, and to eat we need to have a job and salary, you can't go against that!

So it is not just about Vegas

And that's the whole idea. We will have to live with the virus, and that's where things are going to take an interesting turn. We have basically set ourselves up to face a dilemma of whether the quarantine was of any help at all. If people continue to fall ill until everyone pulls through (well, not everyone, but you get the point), it means that with these attempts at social isolation we created more problems than solved. And then we may get stuck in a variety of sunk cost fallacy, stubbornly continuing on the course that has failed

My medical relative told me that the quarantine will not lead to the fact that there will be no patients. Quarantine helps reduce the number of infected people per day and thus reduces the burden on hospitals. That is why many countries have established quarantines and other restrictions for their citizens.

I see many people quoted us, but I will go with Deisik here. Now we have a situation where we still have a virus around, thus a lot of additional problems created by locking down. And it's not just about Vegas, it's about many cities and countries. And this is a bottom line, we can use any statistic, any individual story, headlines from newspapers, politicians and their crazy ideas, answer on question did quarantine didn't help! Just for the record, I don't believe in all words and numbers I watch every fuckin day, someone is lying big time about the virus and economy.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 06:16:02 PM

Viruses don't kill people on their own. As a rule, they weaken the human body, greatly reduce its immunity. Some people have complications of diseases that they already had before Contracting the virus. In other people, infection with new diseases follows infection with the virus. Very often there are various pneumonia.
The virus itself can not kill, other diseases kill, it only helps them do it.

Basically the reason why most infected are older people is because they already have complications and health problems, the virus makes this complication severe. This doesn't mean that people who are younger shouldn't fear the virus, they could be a carrier even with asymptomatic symptoms. Meaning, the people who surround them could be infected and is at risk.

With regards to opening the Casinos, for me it is advisable for the youngers at age 40 and below and with strict proper sanitation to play.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on July 04, 2020, 04:21:17 PM

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Hardest part and been the reality where people dont have any choice but to deal with the risk when getting outside just for them to get into their work because we know that

we cant really survive if we do just stay home and just wait for governments aide. Would it be sustainable? of course not because we know that they arent getting sufficient tax and if they

do continuously support its citizens in terms of food or essentials then that wont surely last up for long.This is why they do made such decisions, it may look dumb but we dont actually have a choice.

People have no choice other than facing the virus for now, but there is a lot of business going behind this covid 19 vaccine which is going to create another impact on most of the country's economies.As far now, make sure you are healthy so even if you are infected you can save yourselves from dying.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: bitbollo on July 04, 2020, 05:52:48 PM

It's around 1-1,5% mostly hitting subject with other co-morbidities.
Covid19 has killed also a lot of people without health problem...and going to ER for respiratory issues is not easy for anyone.

Viruses don't kill people on their own. As a rule, they weaken the human body, greatly reduce its immunity. Some people have complications of diseases that they already had before Contracting the virus. In other people, infection with new diseases follows infection with the virus. Very often there are various pneumonia.
The virus itself can not kill, other diseases kill, it only helps them do it.

People with having complications of diseases will susceptible to the virus than people who have good immune, and they will not take too long to infect the virus. As suggested by the government, social distancing is still necessary in the new normal, so people in public or one place or a room needs to be cautious. If someone doesn't have good immunity, they should stay at home and still take care of or increase their immune before they can go out and meet other people.

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Quote from: bitbollo on July 04, 2020, 05:52:48 PM

It's around 1-1,5% mostly hitting subject with other co-morbidities.
Covid19 has killed also a lot of people without health problem...and going to ER for respiratory issues is not easy for anyone.

Viruses don't kill people on their own. As a rule, they weaken the human body, greatly reduce its immunity. Some people have complications of diseases that they already had before Contracting the virus. In other people, infection with new diseases follows infection with the virus. Very often there are various pneumonia.
The virus itself can not kill, other diseases kill, it only helps them do it.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 05:29:01 PM

It is difficult for me to assess the situation in the United States because I do not live there. I live in the Republic of Belarus. We didn't have a quarantine. We even had the football championship going on. The number of cases was large, and they still continue to arrive. However, our mortality rate is 5-7%, which is quite comparable to the death rate from influenza.

LOL isn't 5-7% death rate for influenza Cheesy

please it sounds like a joke

You can check data by yourself
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
It's around 1-1,5% mostly hitting subject with other co-morbidities.
Covid19 has killed also a lot of people without health problem...and going to ER for respiratory issues is not easy for anyone.

USA have right now the worst data of the whole pandemic.
it seems 1% of the population is already infected and their getting a second wave (mostly bigger then first)

The graphs show the same situation for both (USA and Nevada State).

I don't think it's already over. I don't think that open Casino again is a valid solution for them...

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Quote from: deisik on July 04, 2020, 05:12:39 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 04:32:20 PM

My medical relative told me that the quarantine will not lead to the fact that there will be no patients. Quarantine helps reduce the number of infected people per day and thus reduces the burden on hospitals. That is why many countries have established quarantines and other restrictions for their citizens

This has been made known straight away

However, there are stats (I posted a link somewhere around here) that essentially point out that the quarantine was ineffective for this purpose, at least in the States. In other words, without it there would be as many cases and as many victims. But if it was ineffective, it was actually less than useless, and has only added to our current economic woes when we look at the bigger picture. That's probably one of the reasons it has been lifted and dismantled without much ado

It is difficult for me to assess the situation in the United States because I do not live there. I live in the Republic of Belarus. We didn't have a quarantine. We even had the football championship going on. The number of cases was large, and they still continue to arrive. However, our mortality rate is 5-7%, which is quite comparable to the death rate from influenza.

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Quote from: FontSeli on July 04, 2020, 04:32:20 PM

Quote from: deisik on July 04, 2020, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: iv4n on July 04, 2020, 08:01:08 AM

Well after all Las Vegas is the town that depends on tourists and gamblers, if they don't attract people they are just on loss, they need to pay bills, they need to cover salaries, but from where to get that money if people are not coming?
It's risky, but it's the only thing they can do actually, if they wish to survive. Of course, they will have to follow the regulations, masks and glows, distancing... Virus or not, we have to eat, and to eat we need to have a job and salary, you can't go against that!

So it is not just about Vegas

And that's the whole idea. We will have to live with the virus, and that's where things are going to take an interesting turn. We have basically set ourselves up to face a dilemma of whether the quarantine was of any help at all. If people continue to fall ill until everyone pulls through (well, not everyone, but you get the point), it means that with these attempts at social isolation we created more problems than solved. And then we may get stuck in a variety of sunk cost fallacy, stubbornly continuing on the course that has failed

My medical relative told me that the quarantine will not lead to the fact that there will be no patients. Quarantine helps reduce the number of infected people per day and thus reduces the burden on hospitals. That is why many countries have established quarantines and other restrictions for their citizens

This has been made known straight away

However, there are stats (I posted a link somewhere around here) that essentially point out that the quarantine was ineffective for this purpose, at least in the States. In other words, without it there would be as many cases and as many victims. But if it was ineffective, it was actually less than useless, and has only added to our current economic woes when we look at the bigger picture. That's probably one of the reasons it has been lifted and dismantled without much ado

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Quote from: deisik on July 04, 2020, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: iv4n on July 04, 2020, 08:01:08 AM

Well after all Las Vegas is the town that depends on tourists and gamblers, if they don't attract people they are just on loss, they need to pay bills, they need to cover salaries, but from where to get that money if people are not coming?
It's risky, but it's the only thing they can do actually, if they wish to survive. Of course, they will have to follow the regulations, masks and glows, distancing... Virus or not, we have to eat, and to eat we need to have a job and salary, you can't go against that!

So it is not just about Vegas

And that's the whole idea. We will have to live with the virus, and that's where things are going to take an interesting turn. We have basically set ourselves up to face a dilemma of whether the quarantine was of any help at all. If people continue to fall ill until everyone pulls through (well, not everyone, but you get the point), it means that with these attempts at social isolation we created more problems than solved. And then we may get stuck in a variety of sunk cost fallacy, stubbornly continuing on the course that has failed

My medical relative told me that the quarantine will not lead to the fact that there will be no patients. Quarantine helps reduce the number of infected people per day and thus reduces the burden on hospitals. That is why many countries have established quarantines and other restrictions for their citizens.

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Quote from: semobo on July 04, 2020, 03:52:12 PM

Quote from: deisik on July 04, 2020, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: iv4n on July 04, 2020, 08:01:08 AM

Well after all Las Vegas is the town that depends on tourists and gamblers, if they don't attract people they are just on loss, they need to pay bills, they need to cover salaries, but from where to get that money if people are not coming?
It's risky, but it's the only thing they can do actually, if they wish to survive. Of course, they will have to follow the regulations, masks and glows, distancing... Virus or not, we have to eat, and to eat we need to have a job and salary, you can't go against that!

So it is not just about Vegas

And that's the whole idea. We will have to live with the virus, and that's where things are going to take an interesting turn. We have basically set ourselves up to face a dilemma of whether the quarantine was of any help at all. If people continue to fall ill until everyone pulls through (well, not everyone, but you get the point), it means that with these attempts at social isolation we created more problems than solved. And then we may get stuck in a variety of sunk cost fallacy, stubbornly continuing on the course that has failed

Wearing masks or maintaining social distancing just decreases the chance of getting infected but none of them can make sure we can be completely free from infections.But it is going to take long time for finding the cure or vaccine until that we cannot just stay at home because most of the people in the world are living their life from pay cheque so its time to decide whether die i starving or with virus. Cheesy

Hardest part and been the reality where people dont have any choice but to deal with the risk when getting outside just for them to get into their work because we know that

we cant really survive if we do just stay home and just wait for governments aide. Would it be sustainable? of course not because we know that they arent getting sufficient tax and if they

do continuously support its citizens in terms of food or essentials then that wont surely last up for long.This is why they do made such decisions, it may look dumb but we dont actually have a choice.

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Quote from: deisik on July 04, 2020, 08:29:12 AM

Quote from: iv4n on July 04, 2020, 08:01:08 AM

Well after all Las Vegas is the town that depends on tourists and gamblers, if they don't attract people they are just on loss, they need to pay bills, they need to cover salaries, but from where to get that money if people are not coming?
It's risky, but it's the only thing they can do actually, if they wish to survive. Of course, they will have to follow the regulations, masks and glows, distancing... Virus or not, we have to eat, and to eat we need to have a job and salary, you can't go against that!

So it is not just about Vegas

And that's the whole idea. We will have to live with the virus, and that's where things are going to take an interesting turn. We have basically set ourselves up to face a dilemma of whether the quarantine was of any help at all. If people continue to fall ill until everyone pulls through (well, not everyone, but you get the point), it means that with these attempts at social isolation we created more problems than solved. And then we may get stuck in a variety of sunk cost fallacy, stubbornly continuing on the course that has failed

Wearing masks or maintaining social distancing just decreases the chance of getting infected but none of them can make sure we can be completely free from infections.But it is going to take long time for finding the cure or vaccine until that we cannot just stay at home because most of the people in the world are living their life from pay cheque so its time to decide whether die i starving or with virus. Cheesy

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Quote from: aioc on June 30, 2020, 11:08:46 AM

Quote from: tabas on June 30, 2020, 03:01:12 AM

Some probably don't want to stay at home and just gamble with computers but some also want to be chilling while at home as they gamble. For those that are not yet adopting online gambling, they have no choice but to start adopting it.
It's for their good as well so that they don't have to go outside.

60 years old and above or those who we can consider senior citizens should not be allow to go to gambling sites and play, the gambling casinos should not allow that, they have no choice but to play at home, old guys who have been playing in casinos for a long time will badly miss playing but they have no choice but to follow the protocols.

They shouldn't be but if the casinos allow that, then what can we do? But if the local government of where that casino is located have strict rules within the age of who is allowed to enter inside their premises.
That's a better solution.

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Quote from: iv4n on July 04, 2020, 08:01:08 AM

Well after all Las Vegas is the town that depends on tourists and gamblers, if they don't attract people they are just on loss, they need to pay bills, they need to cover salaries, but from where to get that money if people are not coming?
It's risky, but it's the only thing they can do actually, if they wish to survive. Of course, they will have to follow the regulations, masks and glows, distancing... Virus or not, we have to eat, and to eat we need to have a job and salary, you can't go against that!

So it is not just about Vegas

And that's the whole idea. We will have to live with the virus, and that's where things are going to take an interesting turn. We have basically set ourselves up to face a dilemma of whether the quarantine was of any help at all. If people continue to fall ill until everyone pulls through (well, not everyone, but you get the point), it means that with these attempts at social isolation we created more problems than solved. And then we may get stuck in a variety of sunk cost fallacy, stubbornly continuing on the course that has failed

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 04, 2020, 07:49:30 AM

Quote from: DabsPoorVersion on July 04, 2020, 04:11:29 AM

It's their only way to recover their economy and nothing more. Even in other countries, they did the same as they already started to open casinos to save their economy. They just implement a protocol to at least prevent the spread of the virus, like social distancing and sanitation, etc.

Most of the people in the US are gamblers and it really is a big help to their economy.

This decision by them is a bit risky but they don't have any left to save their economy but to open this. Many people there left jobless too so not only casinos are opening but some other establishments too but with strict protocols as always. In this way, it will help them recover their economy bit by bit but with the money that they've printed these past months it will take time for them to recover.

Well after all Las Vegas is the town that depends on tourists and gamblers, if they don't attract people they are just on loss, they need to pay bills, they need to cover salaries, but from where to get that money if people are not coming?
It's risky, but it's the only thing they can do actually, if they wish to survive. Of course, they will have to follow the regulations, masks and glows, distancing... Virus or not, we have to eat, and to eat we need to have a job and salary, you can't go against that!

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Quote from: DabsPoorVersion on July 04, 2020, 04:11:29 AM

It's their only way to recover their economy and nothing more. Even in other countries, they did the same as they already started to open casinos to save their economy. They just implement a protocol to at least prevent the spread of the virus, like social distancing and sanitation, etc.

Most of the people in the US are gamblers and it really is a big help to their economy.

This decision by them is a bit risky but they don't have any left to save their economy but to open this. Many people there left jobless too so not only casinos are opening but some other establishments too but with strict protocols as always. In this way, it will help them recover their economy bit by bit but with the money that they've printed these past months it will take time for them to recover.

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