Topic: Las Vegas Casinos are open - end of the Pandemic era. - page 29. (Read 4644 times)

Quote from: FontSeli on June 17, 2020, 04:47:07 PM

I think it is not equivalent to compare people who infect others with HIV and coronavirus

Well, I'm not sure that you read my post carefully enough

To repeat, if you are infected (I mean the coronavirus here), have been diagnosed with the disease and asked to stay home but you still go out and some people actually die because of you, it can already be legally qualified at least as a "criminally negligent homicide" or "involuntary manslaughter". So it doesn't matter if the death rate from HIV is higher as you already have blood on your hands (this is a crucial point which you seem to have missed)

When establishing a cause-and-effect relationship, it is very easy to determine who infected HIV

What makes you think so, given that it takes years, sometimes even decades, till the symptoms start to develop?

You said eqrlier that some people use needles or cut with blades smeared with their infected blood. It's hard not to notice

Is this your typical approach to discussion?

I only referred to HIV-infected people pricking other people with needles. I didn't say anything about "cutting them with blades". Moreover, I also added that I had heard such stories. However, their desciption may be totally inaccurate (read, they might have been invented, to scare people). But it doesn't really matter since you can get infected in a multitude of ways (e.g. by having sex with such an individual) which don't leave you suspecting anything wrong

Quote from: maydna on June 17, 2020, 10:12:25 PM

And how to determine that a person was infected with the virus by Vasya, and not John?

You better ask those who came up with this law

Do you happen to remember a reference to this law?

As they say, Google is your friend

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As I suspect, in these circumstances such people end up being sent to "concentration camps":

I guess being quarantined at home is a better option overall

Is that the quarantine for infected people? If yes, hm, that is not good for people who will enter the concentration camps because they cannot do anything except stay in their room. Better to stay at home, and don't go out if the situations are not really safe for us than to stay at the concentration camps. I cannot imagine how people will feel comfortable with that place.

I hope the government can prepare another building for the infected people or the people with asymptomatic so they don't feel like in jail while the doctor and nurses work to cure them all.

Perhaps, there will be a notice from a local society that suggest people not to go to the casino because the chance to get infect will be bigger. Staying at home will be the best solution right now to prevent the new case of Covid-19.

this is really sudden for infected people because that is what exactly what we called 4 sides room but much better than staying in coffin .

How i wish these people will recover soon and can go back to their houses with family and love ones.

But Gambling in las vegas and UK has already started and in our country it is soon to be open also.

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Quote from: electronicash on June 16, 2020, 06:04:36 PM

As I suspect, in these circumstances such people end up being sent to "concentration camps":

I guess being quarantined at home is a better option overall

Is that the quarantine for infected people? If yes, hm, that is not good for people who will enter the concentration camps because they cannot do anything except stay in their room. Better to stay at home, and don't go out if the situations are not really safe for us than to stay at the concentration camps. I cannot imagine how people will feel comfortable with that place.

I hope the government can prepare another building for the infected people or the people with asymptomatic so they don't feel like in jail while the doctor and nurses work to cure them all.

Perhaps, there will be a notice from a local society that suggest people not to go to the casino because the chance to get infect will be bigger. Staying at home will be the best solution right now to prevent the new case of Covid-19.

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This is the scenarios that I think will happen with the reopening of the casinos in Las Vegas.

First one. They reopened the casinos - They got a new case and the affected got it in a casino - A contact tracing will be done - All of the gamblers of that casino will be tested - They will force to close again the casino because of the case/s

Second one. They reopened the casinos - They got a new case and the affected got it in a casino - A contact tracing will be done - They will just continue to open even though there is a case already.

Either of the 2, if you really love your life then you shouldn't risk your life and go to a casino. There is an alternative way of gambling already (online) so you can still gamble without going to a physical casino. One thing more is that, more cases have been recorded in some places in US and the worse is that some of the people there are just going out without even a mask like there is no pandemic in their place. People are going out like their country isn't the epicenter of the pandemic. Looks like they don't care about their lives anymore :X.

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~the asymptomatic patient will be hard to monitor ~~but~~ and they can spread the infection like wildfire.

That's the main reason why I think it is better to make a strict security check. Asymptomatic patients are difficult to detect and this can be a disaster if they can enter to casinos. Most of them are like normal people with have no signs of being infected. I cannot imagine how scary the condition on the casinos if there is a careless security check.

Quote from: electronicash on June 16, 2020, 06:04:36 PM

~we don't know what tests they'd try but probably not just for covid. medical information are going to leak out.~

I think it only focuses on checking the Covid-19 symptoms, not other diseases. Even there are symptoms of other diseases, the medical checker can ask the person whether he wants to know it or not. It is private information and I am pretty sure that the medical checker won't announce it, but just keep it privately.

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I think it is not equivalent to compare people who infect others with HIV and coronavirus

Well, I'm not sure that you read my post carefully enough

To repeat, if you are infected (I mean the coronavirus here), have been diagnosed with the disease and asked to stay home but you still go out and some people actually die because of you, it can already be legally qualified at least as a "criminally negligent homicide" or "involuntary manslaughter". So it doesn't matter if the death rate from HIV is higher as you already have blood on your hands (this is a crucial point which you seem to have missed)

When establishing a cause-and-effect relationship, it is very easy to determine who infected HIV

What makes you think so, given that it takes years, sometimes even decades, till the symptoms start to develop?

You said eqrlier that some people use needles or cut with blades smeared with their infected blood. It's hard not to notice.

And how to determine that a person was infected with the virus by Vasya, and not John?

You better ask those who came up with this law

Do you happen to remember a reference to this law?

And how else to deal with such a moment. If a person is put in quarantine at home, but they need to eat and feed their children, go to the store, pay bills. How can he do this if he is forbidden to leave the house?

As I suspect, in these circumstances such people end up being sent to "concentration camps":
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I guess being quarantined at home is a better option

And it is better that there was neither one nor the other and we were all healthy. And they could afford to go to Las Vegas and play at the casino.

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I think it is not equivalent to compare people who infect others with HIV and coronavirus

Well, I'm not sure that you read my post carefully enough

To repeat, if you are infected (I mean the coronavirus here), have been diagnosed with the disease and asked to stay home but you still go out and some people actually die because of you, it can already be legally qualified at least as a "criminally negligent homicide" or "involuntary manslaughter". So it doesn't matter if the death rate from HIV is higher as you already have blood on your hands (this is a crucial point which you seem to have missed)

When establishing a cause-and-effect relationship, it is very easy to determine who infected HIV

What makes you think so, given that it takes years, sometimes even decades, till the symptoms start to develop?

And how to determine that a person was infected with the virus by Vasya, and not John?

You better ask those who came up with this law

Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 17, 2020, 02:58:14 PM

And how else to deal with such a moment. If a person is put in quarantine at home, but they need to eat and feed their children, go to the store, pay bills. How can he do this if he is forbidden to leave the house?

As I suspect, in these circumstances such people end up being sent to "concentration camps":

I guess being quarantined at home is a better option overall

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Quote from: dothebeats on June 17, 2020, 10:42:47 AM

This is totally negligent to public health safety as the cases are only rising rapidly and does not seem to meet a halt any time soon. I don't know why people underestimate the power of a relatively new virus and disregard the fact that it could lead to severe complications if not attended immediately, especially those with weak immune system. To think that flights to and from Las Vegas are now open makes me worry a lot. Soon enough, Las Vegas would be a hotspot of infection since people from different parts of the country and the world are bringing with them the risk of infecting other people in the process. By then, I would really love to see the reaction of the mayor who insisted that the economy is far greater than public health safety when thousands of deaths are at her hands.

I don't think, if everyone follows the health rules then coronavirus will spread more. Although it is a small virus, we are unlikely to eradicate it before the vaccine is discovered. even we don't know how many years it will take to invent the vaccine. what do you think? will we stay at home till then? it's not possible, so I think we should now go back to our workplace in full compliance with the health rules. so, I think if casino owners and gamblers can gamble with complete hygiene then they will be much free from the risk of coronavirus.

Hygiene wont be enough and also we cant really say that we would really be free on the risk on getting the virus.It all matters with peoples discipline plus your own immune system.

No matter how careful you are but if one time you do met an asymptomatic one which you cant really able to avoid to make contact or even slight exposure into that guy then you cant really able to tell
since it doesnt show off some signs.

Its really hard to get rid as long the vaccine isnt available yet but people are now dealing with it and treating the situation to become normal where we do continue our living in spite on this
very hard situation.

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Quote from: dothebeats on June 17, 2020, 10:42:47 AM

I think it is not equivalent to compare people who infect others with HIV and coronavirus

Well, I'm not sure that you read my post carefully enough

To repeat, if you are infected (I mean the coronavirus here), have been diagnosed with the disease and asked to stay home but you still go out and some people actually die because of you, it can already be legally qualified at least as a "criminally negligent homicide" or "involuntary manslaughter". So it doesn't matter if the death rate from HIV is higher as you already have blood on your hands (this is a crucial point which you seem to have missed)

When establishing a cause-and-effect relationship, it is very easy to determine who infected HIV and why a person died.
And how to determine that a person was infected with the virus by Vasya, and not John?

And how else to deal with such a moment. If a person is put in quarantine at home, but they need to eat and feed their children, go to the store, pay bills. How can he do this if he is forbidden to leave the house?

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Looks like Las Vegas are heading for a second wave.

If the incubation time is around 14 days and they just re-opened last week, then we should start seeing a new wave emerging in the next few days.

I don't really get how you could possibly implement safety measures in a place like this. People seem to forget that you don't actually need to be near someone who has the virus to contract it. You just need to be in close proximity to the objects and places they were in contact with—e.g. the table or slot machine they were playing at.

If people want to go there and risk death, then good riddance, people are dumb af.

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This is totally negligent to public health safety as the cases are only rising rapidly and does not seem to meet a halt any time soon. I don't know why people underestimate the power of a relatively new virus and disregard the fact that it could lead to severe complications if not attended immediately, especially those with weak immune system. To think that flights to and from Las Vegas are now open makes me worry a lot. Soon enough, Las Vegas would be a hotspot of infection since people from different parts of the country and the world are bringing with them the risk of infecting other people in the process. By then, I would really love to see the reaction of the mayor who insisted that the economy is far greater than public health safety when thousands of deaths are at her hands.

I don't think, if everyone follows the health rules then coronavirus will spread more. Although it is a small virus, we are unlikely to eradicate it before the vaccine is discovered. even we don't know how many years it will take to invent the vaccine. what do you think? will we stay at home till then? it's not possible, so I think we should now go back to our workplace in full compliance with the health rules. so, I think if casino owners and gamblers can gamble with complete hygiene then they will be much free from the risk of coronavirus.

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Dont think they can really put the genie back in the box once its done. They are going to force or detain people to isolate them, my guess is they would section off whole areas by closing roads or operating road blocks/checks on really badly infected towns with high % rates.

The end of the pandemic era is when there is a vaccine, measures have to be taken to reduce the spread this entire year at least.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on June 17, 2020, 03:25:20 AM

Las Vegas casinos reopening does not mean that the pandemic is over, to be honest I was quite surprised by this news.

Obviously it's not. There's a deeper reason why they're opening and most customers doesn't have any objective with regards to it.

Quote from: BuNga_cute on June 17, 2020, 03:25:20 AM

Though America is still
ranked first which is infected with Covid-19 the most in the world, then decides what is arguably careless. Because the worst thing could have
happened, of course with the American government granting permission to reopen casinos already with careful calculations I'm sure. Likely will
a security system is in place to monitor the health protocol being implemented properly. Hopefully the American government does not regret it
this high-risk decision.

They can revert the decision if the cases won't stabilize or if in that specific area of Las Vegas, cases are increasing.

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This is totally negligent to public health safety as the cases are only rising rapidly and does not seem to meet a halt any time soon. I don't know why people underestimate the power of a relatively new virus and disregard the fact that it could lead to severe complications if not attended immediately, especially those with weak immune system. To think that flights to and from Las Vegas are now open makes me worry a lot. Soon enough, Las Vegas would be a hotspot of infection since people from different parts of the country and the world are bringing with them the risk of infecting other people in the process. By then, I would really love to see the reaction of the mayor who insisted that the economy is far greater than public health safety when thousands of deaths are at her hands.

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