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If people know that they are sick and can infect other people, then of course they should be conscious and not go out. There is no question of their going to Las Vegas. In some cases, this could be interpreted as deliberately infecting other people.

Indeed, sick people must stay at home and don't go outside. That's how we call physical distancing to prevent others infected by sick people. I assume all sick people have understood the risks to transmit/spread the virus to others if they go outside. So, it is true that once they go outside, even go to Las Vegas Casinos, it means they intentionally transmit it to others.

>Well, there should be a strict security check before the visitors go inside the casinos to prevent this danger.

I just heard in the news now that in the Philippines, one person who is already on quarantine was able to slip out and go to the island of Boracay, which is a very popular beach island in the country. So this woman went to the tourist island and then left the next day and went back to the place where she is quarantined. Now talking about people who are deliberately infecting others, I would say this is one example of those people who wants to get even with life and wants to spread the virus to others. News is she will be sued by government for violating quarantine protocols.

I would not be surprised if soon in some countries there will be a criminal article for intentionally infecting other people with coronavirus

I guess this has been the case since HIV started spreading

I've heard stories of the HIV-positive people deliberately trying to infect other people by pricking them with needles in public places. Regarding coronavirus, willfully avoiding quarantine when infected is already a criminal offence in Russia. And if your reckless behavior led to deaths of other people, you can get up to 7 years in jail. People should be more responsible and take care not only of themselves but of other people too, which is an expected behavior in any culture

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 17, 2020, 03:02:31 AM

I would not be surprised if soon in some countries there will be a criminal article for intentionally infecting other people with coronavirus.
At the moment, in many countries, violation of the quarantine regime is punished only by fines.

That can happen if people do not follow what the government suggests because once they make a contact body with other people without any social distancing, that can give a chance for the virus to spreads to other people. If there is any violation of the quarantine or new normal in the future, there will be another punishment besides fines. Maybe people need to do a social activity or even get in the hospital with full quarantine.

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Las Vegas casinos reopening does not mean that the pandemic is over, to be honest I was quite surprised by this news. Though America is still
ranked first which is infected with Covid-19 the most in the world, then decides what is arguably careless. Because the worst thing could have
happened, of course with the American government granting permission to reopen casinos already with careful calculations I'm sure. Likely will
a security system is in place to monitor the health protocol being implemented properly. Hopefully the American government does not regret it
this high-risk decision.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on June 16, 2020, 07:50:14 PM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on June 16, 2020, 05:50:18 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 05:20:17 PM

If people know that they are sick and can infect other people, then of course they should be conscious and not go out. There is no question of their going to Las Vegas. In some cases, this could be interpreted as deliberately infecting other people.

Indeed, sick people must stay at home and don't go outside. That's how we call physical distancing to prevent others infected by sick people. I assume all sick people have understood the risks to transmit/spread the virus to others if they go outside. So, it is true that once they go outside, even go to Las Vegas Casinos, it means they intentionally transmit it to others.

>Well, there should be a strict security check before the visitors go inside the casinos to prevent this danger.

I just heard in the news now that in the Philippines, one person who is already on quarantine was able to slip out and go to the island of Boracay, which is a very popular beach island in the country. So this woman went to the tourist island and then left the next day and went back to the place where she is quarantined. Now talking about people who are deliberately infecting others, I would say this is one example of those people who wants to get even with life and wants to spread the virus to others. News is she will be sued by government for violating quarantine protocols.

I would not be surprised if soon in some countries there will be a criminal article for intentionally infecting other people with coronavirus.
At the moment, in many countries, violation of the quarantine regime is punished only by fines.

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 05:20:17 PM

If people know that they are sick and can infect other people, then of course they should be conscious and not go out. There is no question of their going to Las Vegas. In some cases, this could be interpreted as deliberately infecting other people.

Indeed, sick people must stay at home and don't go outside. That's how we call physical distancing to prevent others infected by sick people. I assume all sick people have understood the risks to transmit/spread the virus to others if they go outside. So, it is true that once they go outside, even go to Las Vegas Casinos, it means they intentionally transmit it to others.

>Well, there should be a strict security check before the visitors go inside the casinos to prevent this danger.

I just heard in the news now that in the Philippines, one person who is already on quarantine was able to slip out and go to the island of Boracay, which is a very popular beach island in the country. So this woman went to the tourist island and then left the next day and went back to the place where she is quarantined. Now talking about people who are deliberately infecting others, I would say this is one example of those people who wants to get even with life and wants to spread the virus to others. News is she will be sued by government for violating quarantine protocols.

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People will not really understand the situation if you haven't there. As much as we don't want them to open, people there need income.

I'm trying to find the video I watched on Facebook during the lockdown in Las Vegas wherein people are desperate to find works or source of income. I feel their struggle. Most of them are employees at hotel-casinos serving as staff, cooks, crew, etc. They claimed the government is doing good providing assistance, so is their employers, but the problem is, it's not enough to cover their daily livings.

That's why I'm just hoping that the re-opening of Las Vegas Casinos will not result into another infection. People need to work. They understand the situation but it leaves them no choice. Before saying they are stupid, be thankful that you are not in their place.

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Your title should be - Las Vegas Casinos are open - beginning of a new pandemic era.

I believe that if what you said is true and people are flying in a huge number towards Vegas just to play there, then I think it may be / may prove to be their last wish to play there and then die with proud. It's us, the people only due to which this pandemic has taken such a deadly form that the level of fear some innocent people have is far more worst than the pandemic itself and is enough to kill them inside. I think that we need to understand the seriousness of the situation and act accordingly, and stop being completely stupid.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on June 16, 2020, 05:50:18 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 05:20:17 PM

If people know that they are sick and can infect other people, then of course they should be conscious and not go out. There is no question of their going to Las Vegas. In some cases, this could be interpreted as deliberately infecting other people.

Indeed, sick people must stay at home and don't go outside. That's how we call physical distancing to prevent others infected by sick people. I assume all sick people have understood the risks to transmit/spread the virus to others if they go outside. So, it is true that once they go outside, even go to Las Vegas Casinos, it means they intentionally transmit it to others.

>Well, there should be a strict security check before the visitors go inside the casinos to prevent this danger.

Now many public places can not be entered without measuring the temperature. I doubt that someone ill will decide to fly to the casino to be turned around at the entrance.

Quote from: palle11 on June 16, 2020, 06:05:40 PM

I think is better to avoid the greater risk. In this case, it is a pandemic that is clear enough for every body to adjust and you can't see people adjusting like that without an order. Moreover, economy is beginning to open up again, it is the living that will continue from where it was paused from, this is the point. No need for rush in life.

We all face dozens of different risks every day. However, we all continue to live. There are much more serious diseases and dangers, but they are not told about on TV.
Today, the greatest danger to the existence of humanity is news on TV.

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Quote from: deisik on June 16, 2020, 11:06:06 AM

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However, I firmly believe that people have the right to decide whether to stay at home or not

Quote from: palle11 on June 16, 2020, 12:49:45 PM

Nope, I don't think so in total. Although people have right of movement but it can also be limited especially when it threatens national security and in which in this case of lockdown because of covid-19 can threaten national security where government has order stay at home.
The government primary and upper most responsibility is to protect life's and property and staying at home can help government to achieve that to avoid the disease from spreading. However, the government can provide financial support to help people at home.

And who compensates people for financial and moral losses from being forced to stay at home?

I think is better to avoid the greater risk. In this case, it is a pandemic that is clear enough for every body to adjust and you can't see people adjusting like that without an order. Moreover, economy is beginning to open up again, it is the living that will continue from where it was paused from, this is the point. No need for rush in life.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on June 16, 2020, 05:50:18 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 05:20:17 PM

If people know that they are sick and can infect other people, then of course they should be conscious and not go out. There is no question of their going to Las Vegas. In some cases, this could be interpreted as deliberately infecting other people.

Indeed, sick people must stay at home and don't go outside. That's how we call physical distancing to prevent others infected by sick people. I assume all sick people have understood the risks to transmit/spread the virus to others if they go outside. So, it is true that once they go outside, even go to Las Vegas Casinos, it means they intentionally transmit it to others.

>Well, there should be a strict security check before the visitors go inside the casinos to prevent this danger.

its not just covid that is posing danger. the asymptomatic patient will be hard to monitor but they can spread the infection like wildfire.

if casino goer has to be tested first that would mean they'd have to undergo medical testing. we don't know what tests they'd try but probably not just for covid. medical information are going to leak out. there are database of criminals in US which includes their DNA data not just finger prints. you'd be closely watched if they see you playing there while they see a gambler has criminal records. a gambler would be surprise to learn that he is actually an HIV positive before he can go inside the casino. Grin

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 05:20:17 PM

If people know that they are sick and can infect other people, then of course they should be conscious and not go out. There is no question of their going to Las Vegas. In some cases, this could be interpreted as deliberately infecting other people.

Indeed, sick people must stay at home and don't go outside. That's how we call physical distancing to prevent others infected by sick people. I assume all sick people have understood the risks to transmit/spread the virus to others if they go outside. So, it is true that once they go outside, even go to Las Vegas Casinos, it means they intentionally transmit it to others.

>Well, there should be a strict security check before the visitors go inside the casinos to prevent this danger.

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Quote from: deisik on June 16, 2020, 11:06:06 AM

Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

However, I firmly believe that people have the right to decide whether to stay at home or not

This is against all reasons

If these people are infected, they could infect other people. But you wouldn't (I hope) say that they have the right for this. Therefore, they must stay home if they caught the virus and know they are ill. You could argue that they should be quarantined or hospitalized, and I would likely agree with you. However, if they are not seriously affected and feel more or less fine, staying home should be okay as long as they actually stay home

If people know that they are sick and can infect other people, then of course they should be conscious and not go out. There is no question of their going to Las Vegas. In some cases, this could be interpreted as deliberately infecting other people.
I probably should have clarified this earlier.
I am talking about millions of people who are not ill and who have been forcibly put under house arrest as criminals.

Quote from: palle11 on June 16, 2020, 12:49:45 PM

Nope, I don't think so in total. Although people have right of movement but it can also be limited especially when it threatens national security and in which in this case of lockdown because of covid-19 can threaten national security where government has order stay at home.
The government primary and upper most responsibility is to protect life's and property and staying at home can help government to achieve that to avoid the disease from spreading. However, the government can provide financial support to help people at home.

And who compensates people for financial and moral losses from being forced to stay at home?

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

However, I firmly believe that people have the right to decide whether to stay at home or not

Nope, I don't think so in total. Although people have right of movement but it can also be limited especially when it threatens national security and in which in this case of lockdown because of covid-19 can threaten national security where government has order stay at home.
The government primary and upper most responsibility is to protect life's and property and staying at home can help government to achieve that to avoid the disease from spreading. However, the government can provide financial support to help people at home.

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Quote from: lienfaye on June 15, 2020, 05:22:50 PM

Its business so they need to operate to be on track of gaining profit again. Despite of their safety measures we cant assure that you're safe if you go there, if an infected person go to that place it can spread the virus.

So its up to gamblers now, yes casinos are open but are you willing to risk your health just to gamble?

There are an alternatives to satisfy ourselves in gambling and that is through online, hence until its not safe to go outside its better to stay home.

That would be the rational choice but we know that people can be quite irrational, also most people are not really used to social isolation so I can understand the desire to go back to their normal lives and if that included an occasional trip to the casino then they want to do that now as well, the issue is how to do this and still protect ourselves? That is what worries me, because in my country I am seeing that a lot of people are acting as if the pandemic is over, and that is not true, and if things keep going in this direction it is possible the second wave of the pandemic will be eve worse.

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

However, I firmly believe that people have the right to decide whether to stay at home or not

This is not even remotely so

If these people are infected, they could infect other people. But you wouldn't (I hope) say that they have the right for this. Therefore, they must stay home if they caught the virus and know they are ill. You could argue that they should be quarantined or hospitalized, and I would likely agree with you. However, if they are not seriously affected and feel more or less fine, staying home should be okay as long as they actually stay home

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Quote from: FontSeli on June 16, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

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If quarantine measures have not been introduced in your country, then I can assume that the declared statistics can be fabricated to one degree or another.
Even Sweden, which did not enter quarantine, admitted that this was a mistake, and moved to one of the first places in terms of mortality in Europe.
But Sweden is not one of those countries that will hide data, but many others who have not entered quarantine practice this.

There are two doctors in my family. They are now working on the frontline of the fight against the virus. One of them even had a coronavirus and fortunately recovered. In their medical institutions, death statistics are not fabricated.
That's why I draw these conclusions about statistics across the country. Time will tell who was right and how the losses in the economy will affect countries and their citizens. However, I firmly believe that people have the right to decide whether to stay at home or not.

Of course, doctors have full access to information regarding infected people. I am talking about the data that fall into general access at the state and inter-state levels, respectively.

How much official statistics is different from the one your parents present to you with your doctors? And what specific country are we talking about? Apparently this is not Russia.

The only Russian-speaking country I know that did not enter quarantine is Belarus.

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My expectation is that it will cause a riot due to many gamblers being unable to be accommodated and play casino games.

Don't be so exaggerated mate,because Las Vegas Gambler are mostly educated and will Not do such wrong actions.

and Besides why would they need to have riot when there are only few people that has money to spend now because therea re many people that losses their job.

And to add, Vegas also has a good security system, they have CCTV installed in every corner and they have people watching gamblers to ensure the peace and order in the area and lastly I haven't read any news that there was a riot before in vegas, if we are talking of a secured casino this is one of those.

unlike in the Philippines where some casino have weak security and there was an incident happened in the past.

Resorts World Manila: At least 36 bodies found at casino complex

I remember this incident, due to lack of security, some of the people inside the casino lost their lives, instead of having fun, they ended up suffered a miserable death. This kind of possible incident that should be look unto into a casino as lives matters and when you are a gambler and you are in a casino, all you do is just to enjoy and be entertained so there should be some people looking to secure the gamblers while they are in the venue.

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Look it seems to me here is the thing.

Business begins to open because people need to earn a living and feed their families.

Another thing you write about the pandemic and the fact that in this way we will not achieve its end. There are many controversial points, because you can just follow some recommendations, but still try to start the economy.

and in the end, everyone is responsible for himself and his health. Those if you are worried, you just play online.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on June 15, 2020, 06:52:14 AM

I was just trying to check the Southern Nevada Covid-19 website that they have setup to check if there are any updates but I still am unable to access the part of the website that gives the numbers, so I don't have a good idea whether covid cases are rising or if it is flattening to the point that there is no need for people to panic. I am still on the side of caution, if they could limit the number of people entering casino's and following strict health protocols, I am confident they will be able to deal with the pandemic and of course tourists who likes to gamble - also with their lives.

You can view numbers here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ and also get state by state break downs for many sates on that page.

Althought there isn't a breakdown for Nevada as such, you might be able to glean some information via the link https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/nevada or try https://nvhealthresponse.nv.gov/ both of which are on the US page.

Oh great. Thank you for the good links you provided. I have checked on the numbers and in my opinion there is really a bit long way to go before everything normalizes. I mean I just heard in the news that Italy is now opening up and has already declared like some sort of an end to their lockdown. Most countries are, in one way or another in some form of partial lockdown, except in high risk areas. Governments and the people of affected countries are now choosing whether to open their stagnant economies or risk more infections. Italy is much open right now than Las Vegas and we will see what will happen next days.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on June 16, 2020, 07:40:40 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on June 15, 2020, 06:55:49 AM

My expectation is that it will cause a riot due to many gamblers being unable to be accommodated and play casino games.

Don't be so exaggerated mate,because Las Vegas Gambler are mostly educated and will Not do such wrong actions.

and Besides why would they need to have riot when there are only few people that has money to spend now because therea re many people that losses their job.

And to add, Vegas also has a good security system, they have CCTV installed in every corner and they have people watching gamblers to ensure the peace and order in the area and lastly I haven't read any news that there was a riot before in vegas, if we are talking of a secured casino this is one of those.

unlike in the Philippines where some casino have weak security and there was an incident happened in the past.

Resorts World Manila: At least 36 bodies found at casino complex

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